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GutPunch
04-29-2010, 8:21 AM
Hey guys,

I'm looking at purchasing a 1911. When I did my investigation work on my AR-15 I did research for two months on different vendors and the features that I needed/wanted on the gun. The chart on M4carbine.net (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642) was a nice help.

Does such a chart exist for 1911 manufacturers? I know there are a lot of manufacturers and features but it would be great to be able to do some feature/price comparison.

Thanks!

Black Majik
04-29-2010, 8:24 AM
Not that im aware of, but what type of features are you looking for? List them out and we can give you a list of 1911s that match closest to your specifications.

GutPunch
04-29-2010, 8:46 AM
I guess I'm just looking to see what ARE the list of features at this point.

Honestly I'm looking at a SA 1911 GI - basic as far as I can tell. What are the upgrade items and price points.

Ricky-Ray
04-29-2010, 10:36 AM
I have the SA 1911 GI Mil Spec and it shoots great out of the box. The only upgrade I ever did to it was change the grips to the rubber Pachymar (sp??) grips.

ThatFishGuy
04-29-2010, 11:07 AM
You want to know all the upgrade items??? umm... count how many ar type add-ons there are, then multiply by 5! anything and everything you want you can throw onto/into one. Not all of them are useful but they are options.

Sinixstar
04-29-2010, 11:17 AM
The thing that makes it difficult with 1911s, is that the variety even between models from the same MFG can make your head spin. Some MFGs have their own unique things they do as well.

The other big difference with 1911s is that the thing that separates mfgs is more about fit, finish, and quality control more than standard features.

GutPunch
04-29-2010, 11:18 AM
Heh! Thats kinda what I figured. I've seen the comparisons between Pre WW2 vs Post WW2 GI vs Match Grade. I was hoping for a breakdown of features and manufacturing methods. Any info you guys have will help!

bgbeards
04-29-2010, 12:56 PM
If you give a price range that will narrow it down. And if your looking at the SA GI step up a little and get the Mil-spec. It has some reliabilty features the gi doesn't.

saber
04-29-2010, 1:08 PM
While I don't have a chart, one way to look at 1911's is to think about is tiers or groupings of 1911. For example, I might suggest the following organization:

1.) Tier 1- Standard 1911's- Examples would be Springfield Mil-Spec or RIA's. These pistols have standard triggers, grips, sights, standard safeties, etc. These pistols have little or no add-ons.

2.) Tier 2- 1911's with some upgrades- Examples would be Springfield Loaded or entry level Kimber's. These pistols generally have the Beavertail grips, maybe ambi-safeties, better sights, etc.

3.) Tier 3- Top end 1911's with all bells and whistles- An example might be the Les Baer's or Nighthawk's. These ones have everything from above plus perhaps upgrades to the finish, triggers, barrels, etc.

As one poster suggested, if you say how much you want to spend, you can likely decide how many features you need.

Of course, everyone will have their opinion. IMHO I would suggest that better sights and the beavertail are good upgrades while everything else is optional.

Black Majik
04-29-2010, 1:14 PM
For current production 1911s, I'll add one more tier between tier 2 and 3. These would be the fancier production 1911s; your Springfield TRPs, Kimber's "Custom Shop" pistols such as the Raptor, and Dan Wessons.

Otherwise, great post.

SamsDX
04-29-2010, 1:53 PM
I would echo Saber's comments on the various "tiers" of 1911s (great breakdown, by the way). But below tier 1 there's a class of "budget" 1911s like your Armscor/Rock Island Armory guns that you can pick up for around $400. As an amateur I really can't tell the difference, or if the differences are that big a deal in building up a gun, but I understand that the frames are cast (as opposed to forged, which most of the higher end models are) and the parts are MIM instead of the tougher forged versions.

As far as various standard modifications go, the following link has a brief description of what it is and pictures of what it looks like:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/custom_mods.htm

Various manufacturers will do them differently, of course, and their level of craftsmanship will largely be differentiated by their price and/or prestige.

Shenaniguns
04-29-2010, 1:54 PM
And if you want the "real" top tier than you're looking at a Full House Custom, here's some guys that can provide that:
http://www.louderthanwords.us/

Sam
04-29-2010, 2:53 PM
Check out John Harrison's website. He's a full custom guy but had excellent articles on the various features of the 1911...and he has pretty pictures!

Legasat
04-29-2010, 3:24 PM
For current production 1911s, I'll add one more tier between tier 2 and 3. These would be the fancier production 1911s; your Springfield TRPs, Kimber's "Custom Shop" pistols such as the Raptor, and Dan Wessons.

^^^This!^^^

saber
04-29-2010, 3:29 PM
The other thing I would recommend is that it might be a good idea to try some different 1911's in your hand and see how the different ones feel. Also, if you can find a range near you that rents the different guns, you could see if there is a difference to you in how let's say a Kimber and a Mil-Spec 1911 feel to you.

Sam
04-29-2010, 4:44 PM
I forgot to mention that at an absolute minimum, you should get one with a beavertail safety. It really enhances recoil control.

tiko
04-29-2010, 7:41 PM
However, you need to tell your range of spending then decide what guns are in your range.

GutPunch
04-29-2010, 7:50 PM
I'm looking at $600-1K.

I went to the range today and shot a rental SA 1911A1 Milspec. The range master also let me shoot his Kimber Custom II. I honestly liked the weight of the SA. The Kimber had an allow frame. The Kimber had some bigger sights that were nicer. The trigger was a nice small and consistant on both the Kimber and the SA.

Basically the gun would be for home defense and some bench shooting. I'm not looking to hit a nats ***** at 50 yards with this thing. I want something that will work every time with a large variety of rounds and clip sizes right out of the bat. (I've heard of issues with new clips and also some ejection issues).

Are any brands better for holding up? How about easier to clean?

r3plica
04-29-2010, 8:03 PM
Check out the Springfield loaded like This one. (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=167198236) Seems to be in your price range, just make sure the model number jives with the DOJ. (http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp)

ChrisTKHarris
04-29-2010, 8:15 PM
Shoot if your budget is $600-1000 I would look for a Springfield Loaded.

GutPunch
04-29-2010, 8:21 PM
Shoot if your budget is $600-1000 I would look for a Springfield Loaded.

Is it a low number? Hey let me know if I'm being unrealisitic here but given what I wanted to do with the gun it didn't seem too far out of line. :confused:

ChrisTKHarris
04-29-2010, 8:22 PM
Is it a low number? Hey let me know if I'm being unrealisitic here but given what I wanted to do with the gun it didn't seem too far out of line. :confused:

No that's a decent budget. You said at first you were looking at a GI which is in the $600 range, but if you're willing to spend up to $1000 look at the Springfield Loaded. It's got a lot more features and they run about $800-850.

By the way give my guy Rob at Golden State Tactical a call, he can source them for you for much cheaper than other guys in Sac. Also give Pat Graves at Cordova Shooting Center a call, these two places are by far the cheapest I've found in Sacramento. Everyone will recommend River City Gun Exchange, as most people know I am NOT a fan of them. :rofl:

Bad Voodoo
04-30-2010, 7:12 AM
And if you want the "real" top tier than you're looking at a Full House Custom, here's some guys that can provide that:
http://www.louderthanwords.us/

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z228/pistolwrench19/3-54.jpg

:eek: :tt1:

http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8120

GutPunch
04-30-2010, 8:32 AM
No that's a decent budget. You said at first you were looking at a GI which is in the $600 range, but if you're willing to spend up to $1000 look at the Springfield Loaded. It's got a lot more features and they run about $800-850.

By the way give my guy Rob at Golden State Tactical a call, he can source them for you for much cheaper than other guys in Sac. Also give Pat Graves at Cordova Shooting Center a call, these two places are by far the cheapest I've found in Sacramento. Everyone will recommend River City Gun Exchange, as most people know I am NOT a fan of them. :rofl:

Ok. I stop at Cordova all the time to shoot. I'll have to check them out.

I was checking out Midwayusa.com's selection of 1911 Mags and there were categories of mags which I don't get.

1911 Government
1911 Commander
1911 Officer

I'm assuming one of these is the single stack vs side by side?

ChrisTKHarris
04-30-2010, 8:34 AM
Ok. I stop at Cordova all the time to shoot. I'll have to check them out.

I was checking out Midwayusa.com's selection of 1911 Mags and there were categories of mags which I don't get.

1911 Government
1911 Commander
1911 Officer

I'm assuming one of these is the single stack vs side by side?

If you're looking to upgrade your magazines there really are only two choices, Chip McCormick and Wilson Combat.

GutPunch
04-30-2010, 8:36 AM
You recommend any 10 rounders?

ChrisTKHarris
04-30-2010, 8:50 AM
You recommend any 10 rounders?

Both Chip and Wilson make 10 rounders, I'm not a fan of the look of it. Looks funky sticking out the bottom of the mag well.

Black Majik
04-30-2010, 8:54 AM
Don't forget Tripp Research

Shenaniguns
04-30-2010, 8:56 AM
Check out John Harrison's website. He's a full custom guy but had excellent articles on the various features of the 1911...and he has pretty pictures!


John Harrison did a fantastic job on my old Baer :cool2:

theneko
04-30-2010, 10:07 AM
I think I once saw a chart like this? Maybe on CalGuns or one of the 1911 forums? It showed what parts by what manufacturers were stamped, forged, MIM, etc. It was good for folks who don't want MIM parts... Sorry but I can't recall where I saw it.

GutPunch
04-30-2010, 10:28 AM
I think I ran across that already. Thanks tho!

Sam
04-30-2010, 2:00 PM
John Harrison did a fantastic job on my old Baer :cool2:

You expect me to survive on text alone? Where are those pictures?!

Shenaniguns
04-30-2010, 4:39 PM
You expect me to survive on text alone? Where are those pictures?!


It was sold to another Gentleman on this board.

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/estimate.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG_0621.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG641.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG644.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG_06232.jpg
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG_0626.jpg

Shenaniguns
04-30-2010, 4:39 PM
One more:
http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad251/SShenaniguns/Harrison%20Baer/IMG_0628.jpg

Sam
04-30-2010, 4:53 PM
Funny, because I actually contemplated buying that one when it was for sale if my memory is correct. It's still a beautiful pistol.

Shenaniguns
04-30-2010, 4:56 PM
I miss it, but still glad I sold it :o