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slickjoesd
03-02-2006, 9:32 AM
I wish we could make theese...............I would have one tomorrow!
http://www.50bmg.net/images/G003.JPG
http://www.50bmg.net/images/G001.GIF


Read more at www.50bmg.net

shooterx10
03-02-2006, 10:27 AM
That's the ALS upper. Darran is the shop owner and he makes them in .50BMG caliber, but I emailed him about making them in .510DTC (which is legal here in CA) and he said he can do that for anyone.

The .510DTC has been accepted for competition in all FCSA sanctioned events/matches.

Incidentally, Spider Firearm's Ferret50 and Safety Harbor Firearm's Ultramag 50 uppers in .510DTC are currently available for sale.

For info:

www.ferret50.com
www.safetyharborfirearms.com

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 10:31 AM
how much will the .510DTC cost?

Rumpled
03-02-2006, 10:55 AM
For those who don't know - if you had a AR type lower (FAB10 etc) by 12/31/04. You can register that as a .50 BMG by 4/30/06.

As far as .510 DTC ammo, I believe some is available now and I think it should cost roughly the same as new commercial .50 BMG; though not as cheap as surplus .50 BMG.

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 10:56 AM
sorry, should have been more clear, i meant how much is the .510 DTC upper?

50 Freak
03-02-2006, 11:29 AM
I like the UltraMag50s better. It is mag fed from the side.

www.ultramag50.com

shooterx10
03-02-2006, 11:39 AM
As far as .510 DTC ammo, I believe some is available now and I think it should cost roughly the same as new commercial .50 BMG; though not as cheap as surplus .50 BMG.

Rumpled,

Really?!?! Who makes it? Last time I heard, the .50bmg brass must be fireformed in a .510DTC chamber just to get the brass in the right shape. Plus, CH Tool and Die are the only makers of .510DTC dies are they are $300+ for the set! :eek:

PanzerAce,

Sorry, but I neglected to ask Darran how much it would cost to build a .510DTC upper. You can email him at 50man@gotsky.com. I hope it won't cost more than his current price which is $1699.99 for the standard upper.

slickjoesd
03-02-2006, 11:42 AM
is there anyway around this registration? can i reg something telling them i am going to make a 50 bmg? and if not, is there some military clause? get one outa state and tell them i am in the .mil and reg then?

ohsmily
03-02-2006, 12:06 PM
is there anyway around this registration? can i reg something telling them i am going to make a 50 bmg? and if not, is there some military clause? get one outa state and tell them i am in the .mil and reg then?

No, there is no way around the registration...but, 50 DTC is not restricted and you can purchase a rifle in 50 DTC the same as any other long gun.

shooterx10
03-02-2006, 12:26 PM
I forgot to mention if you are skittish about using your BRAND SPANKIN' NEW off-list lower for your .510DTC upper build, you can use the DPMS Single Shot lower. All you need are the fire control parts, pins, and the pistol grip. No need for a bolt carrier release since this is a bolt action upper.

http://www.rbprecision.com/6e5d5690.jpg

Here is one company that sells them: http://www.rbprecision.com/dpms_defense.htm

The only manufacturers that I know are making their rifles chambering the .510DTC are Serbu and EDM Arms.

For info:

www.serbu.com
www.edmarms.com

slickjoesd
03-02-2006, 12:36 PM
sorry for the ignorance, is there any rd rifle that you can buy like a 51 or something that will also shoot a 50?

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 12:53 PM
nope there is not

Rumpled
03-02-2006, 1:29 PM
Rumpled,

Really?!?! Who makes it? Last time I heard, the .50bmg brass must be fireformed in a .510DTC chamber just to get the brass in the right shape. Plus, CH Tool and Die are the only makers of .510DTC dies are they are $300+ for the set! :eek:



I'm pretty sure that's what Al B told me when he tried to sell me a Serbu .510 DTC receiver. I'll have to double check on that.

50 Shooter
03-02-2006, 2:38 PM
Yes, you have to fireform .50 DTC from .50 BMG.

If you have a AR-15 registered AW lower you can buy a .50 BMG upper like the ALS and legally put it on.

The good thing about .50 DTC is that it uses all the same components as .50 BMG. So if you reload it will help you save money, the bad part is you'll be ruining my .50 BMG brass.

draconianruler
03-02-2006, 3:09 PM
Yes, you have to fireform .50 DTC from .50 BMG.

If you have a AR-15 registered AW lower you can buy a .50 BMG upper like the ALS and legally put it on.

The good thing about .50 DTC is that it uses all the same components as .50 BMG. So if you reload it will help you save money, the bad part is you'll be ruining my .50 BMG brass.

If I have a registered AW lower and get a .50 BMG upper, do I still need to register it again as a .50 BMG?

What is involved with fireform the brass? Is it something easily done?:confused:

PanzerAce
03-02-2006, 3:26 PM
if you had a AR lower PRIOR to Jan 1, 2005, then you can legally reg it as a .50. If you have a AW that was regd back in the day, you can make it a 50 WITHOUT reging it as such.

C.G.
03-02-2006, 3:31 PM
If I have a registered AW lower and get a .50 BMG upper, do I still need to register it again as a .50 BMG?

What is involved with fireform the brass? Is it something easily done?:confused:

This is a quote from DOJ FAQ:



If a .50 BMG rifle is already registered as an assault weapon, does it need to be registered under the provisions of the .50 Caliber BMG Regulation Act of 2004?

.50 BMG rifles already registered as assault weapons pursuant to the assault weapons laws in effect prior to January 1, 2005 DO NOT need to be registered again to satisfy the requirements of the .50 Caliber BMG Regulation Act of 2004.

So, if you registered your assault weapon in multicaliber then it seems the answer is that you do not have to.
If you registered in only one caliber (not .50BMG) then it seems you would have to register it for .50BMG.

Bill might want to confirm this.

50 Shooter
03-02-2006, 9:42 PM
I have never fireformed brass so I can't answer that question. You can go to some of the online reloading forums and ask there for the best answer.

If you've never done it, it would be best to have someone help you out. I know Tom Miller who's selling the EDM rifles in .50 DTC has been helping guys out with fireforming brass.

50BMGBOB
03-02-2006, 10:04 PM
Basically you have to resize the brass to move the shoulder back and change it's angle. then you load it, usally at a reduced load and firer it to take the taper out of the sides. Then you can resize and use like regular brass. It will take the same primers, powder and bullets as 50BMG and shoot the same.

bwiese
03-02-2006, 10:53 PM
So, if you registered your assault weapon in multicaliber then it seems the answer is that you do not have to. If you registered in only one caliber (not .50BMG) then it seems you would have to register it for .50BMG.

Bill might want to confirm this.

Close, but not quite:

....if you have an already-reg'd AW, it can also be a 50BMG, and no new/ additional registration is required.

Doesn't matter what caliber it was originally reg'd as: the caliber is merely just supplementary information on the AW reg form. There is no law preventing you from changing caliber after you've reg'd. Some people did reg AWs as multicaliber, but not doing that does not mean you are prevented from changing calibers.

uglygun
03-03-2006, 7:45 PM
Be aware, there are two 510DTCs out there.

Think EDM may have modified the design slightly so there now exist one chambering that is original to how it was originally designed and another that is a take off on it.

If you are going to get one in 510DTC double check with the maker what version they are making.


As for the ALS50, I like mine,
http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/50sbigger/dwarftruck.jpg

mrkubota
03-13-2006, 1:52 PM
I'm pretty sure that's what Al B told me when he tried to sell me a Serbu .510 DTC receiver. I'll have to double check on that.

Mark Serbu just announced the shipment of the first BFG-50 chambered for the .510DTC round to Kalifornia!

From his website:
"...the first "post-ban" BFG-50 (ser. no. FC-0001) is headed to California"

shooterx10
03-14-2006, 2:44 PM
As for the ALS50, I like mine,
http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/50sbigger/dwarftruck.jpg

Uglygun,

NICE!!!!!!!

How well does your ALS50 shoot? How is the recoil? Do you have a bipod for it cuz I don't see one in the pic.

You didn't get the rubber butt pad did you?

stealthmode
03-14-2006, 7:15 PM
UGLYGUN,

did you get the jard trigger or did you modify the regular AR trigger? I just received my ALS 50 on Friday.