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jak77
04-27-2010, 2:23 PM
Hello,

I was thinking of having my 16in barrel on my carbine cut to 14.5 and have a pinned FH on it to bring it to 16in total. My question is if this is legal here in cali? Will the FH count as barrel length?

Thanks

phantomson9
04-27-2010, 2:28 PM
As long as the FH is permanently fixed to the barrel that is legal. It has to be over 16 inches so make sure its 16.1 inches at least. Just make sure you either weld the FH or have it pinned so its considered permanent. Im sure if i am wrong here someone will correct me.

djleisure
04-27-2010, 2:29 PM
Yep, it's legal as long as it's pinned and welded (needs to be permanent - I believer silver solder is a legit method as well.)

jak77
04-27-2010, 2:34 PM
Okay thats what I always believed but I was talking with a friend the other day and he was trying to convince me that it was illegal. He was saying something like it used to be legal but not anymore. I started to believe him because of all our stupid laws that I thought I missed something that just got passed or some bs like that. Thats why I brought it to you folks here at the hive.

Another question is where can I get this done? I know ADCO has a very strong reputation but on their website I couldnt find the price or anything for both cutting and pinning/welding. Any other suggestions? or should I just call ADCO because Ive heard of others sending their barrels to them for this job.

Thanks again.

tomd1584
04-27-2010, 2:43 PM
Ar15barrels.com

Randall can do it, he's in Socal.

phantomson9
04-27-2010, 3:39 PM
I have heard great things about Randalls work, but i also heard he is really busy lately, so i would ask him how long it will take before you send it. Good luck. Let us know who you get it done with and how it works out!

TMC
04-27-2010, 3:47 PM
With a 14.5 barrel you'll need a longer than mil-spec FH, one that is 1.5 long which doesn't look right to me. If you're having the barrel cut then have it cut so that when a mil-spec FH is attached it will be just over 16". That will give the closest look to an M4.

Just my .02 from a guy with a 14.5 and a Vortex FH. Real close but not perfect.

KING_PALM
04-27-2010, 4:22 PM
i have a 14.5 with a vortex pinned and welded on it.
looks really really good with a long rail....

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/corythegreat_2007/ARFIFTEEN.jpg

looks really short and is legal!!

*another reason to show off my rifle*

stormy_clothing
04-27-2010, 4:52 PM
Ar15barrels.com

Randall can do it, he's in Socal.

He does great work and it will be spot on 16inch

if you can swing the extra dough pick up a PWS556 muzzle brake / flash hider but they say it isnt lol.

http://www.blackweaponsarmory.com/magento/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/F/S/FSC556_L_1.jpg

ar15barrels
04-27-2010, 5:24 PM
It's about a 45 minute job if you make an appointment and walk-in.

I'm thinking about discontinuing all shipped-in service work and going walk-in only.

Endless
04-27-2010, 5:30 PM
If you want a SBR than just apply for one through BATF. Go 10.5 inch if thats what you want. Its legal, once you get the tax stamp which will run you $200 then apply for a Dangerous Weapons Permit. I have heard its pretty tough to get but I have spoken with some and its not impossible. I am going with 11.5 inch barrel with my Colt LE 6940.

ar15barrels
04-27-2010, 5:31 PM
If you want a SBR than just apply for one through BATF. Go 10.5 inch if thats what you want. Its legal, once you get the tax stamp which will run you $200 then apply for a Dangerous Weapons Permit. I have heard its pretty tough to get but I have spoken with some and its not impossible. I am going that route with my Colt LE 6940 and possibly my FN FS2000.

Let us know how that goes. ;)

Endless
04-27-2010, 5:37 PM
Let us know how that goes. ;)

It will probably go pretty smootly since I am living in Oregon where its perfectly legal and I see these at the range weekly.;)

I know several active duty military that have already gotten the permit which I have no doubt I will obtain when I get down there in a couple years but hey isnt that year supposed to be the end of the world anyway? lol;) Almost all my weapons are illegal in California anyway. Shouldnt be a problem with an AWP.

ar15barrels
04-27-2010, 5:42 PM
It will probably go pretty smootly since I am living in Oregon where its perfectly legal and I see these at the range weekly.;)

I know several active duty military that have already gotten the permit which I have no doubt I will obtain when I get down there in a couple years but hey isnt that year supposed to be the end of the world anyway? lol;) Almost all my weapons are illegal in California anyway. Shouldnt be a problem with an AWP.

Active duty military can get them easy for AW's, but I don't know about NFA stuff.
Of course that only works while you are active military.
Once your orders expire, the permit expires too.

HK Dave
04-27-2010, 5:50 PM
.... i don't get it... did i miss something here? why give advice about buying an SBR and getting a permit when he obviously knows it's illegal in CA?

What in the world do Oregon laws have to do with CA? :confused:

It's like saying, "Hey... you can go get yourself a fully automatic weapon... it's REALLY easy... move to the Middle East... everyone has them! But yah... umm that doesn't help you at all does it? Sorry."

Toast
04-27-2010, 9:05 PM
Or you can have it cut down to 14.7 and you can use a standard length flash hider/comp.

killshot44
04-27-2010, 9:16 PM
I just don't get the love for SBRs. Less velocity and accuracy? Sure, sign me up. :p

pacrimguru
04-27-2010, 9:47 PM
...that being said, i love SBR's! compact, maneuverable, what's not to love? sign me up! :D

JPurp
04-27-2010, 10:03 PM
I am considering doing the same and you have a few options. Most factory guns that use a standard A2 hider have the barrels to 14.7". Some factory guns are at 14.5" (the same as the Colt M4) but with a standard A2 hider it will not be >16". At that point you can chose one of the above mentioned non-A2 hiders or look to Saber Defense. They have an extended A2 hider.

You can have mil-spec length barrel or a mil-spec hider but not both.

Good luck,

-JP

ar15barrels
04-28-2010, 12:33 AM
I just don't get the love for SBRs. Less velocity and accuracy? Sure, sign me up. :p

MUCH friendlier for jumping out of humvees. ;)

steelrain82
04-28-2010, 12:43 AM
Not trying to thread Jack but I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing. I was looking at the barrel lengths and most people have 16 in barrels. I can't buy a complete 14.5 upper say from bcm because that would be illegal or would I be good to go

ar15barrels
04-28-2010, 12:50 AM
Not trying to thread Jack but I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing. I was looking at the barrel lengths and most people have 16 in barrels. I can't buy a complete 14.5 upper say from bcm because that would be illegal or would I be good to go

Possession of a 14.5" barrel without a permanent attached muzzle device that makes it longer than 16" while also possessing a rifle lower, but not a pistol lower could put you in "constructive possession of a short barreled rifle".
If you also own a pistol lower, it's no problem to have 14.5" barrels without a muzzle device, just don't install them on a rifle lower.

SandBlastedSkin
04-28-2010, 1:06 AM
Here's my Noveske 14.5" with a welded Vortex. :cool:

Definitely legal.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/550/dsc01111e.jpg

jak77
04-28-2010, 2:10 AM
So Randall, what would you suggest I do? I have a 16in with the standard birdcage FH. If I were to have you do work on it, would you cut it down to 14.7 and permanently attach the FH I currently have? Or do you recommend cutting it down to 14.5 and using a longer FH? I want to keep the a2 birdcage FH. Also, ballpark the price for me for everything out the door. You can send me this in a pm if you wish.

Culver city isnt too far from LA so dropping by the shop could be a possibility.

Thanks.

HK Dave
04-28-2010, 9:40 AM
Go to Randall jak77, you wont regret it.

gunsnrovers
04-28-2010, 9:55 AM
Randall cut down my 16" A2 upper to 14.7 and I used an A2 FH.

I got my BCM 14.5 from G&R Tactical and it came with a pinned and welded YHM FH bringing it up to 16".

ar15barrels
04-28-2010, 10:00 AM
PM sent with a quote.

jak77
04-28-2010, 11:10 AM
thanks alot fellas, looks like when time permits Randall will be seeing my business. Thank you all for the advice and I look forward to a fine job by a fellow calgunner :yes:

Bug Splat
04-28-2010, 2:07 PM
thanks alot fellas, looks like when time permits Randall will be seeing my business. Thank you all for the advice and I look forward to a fine job by a fellow calgunner :yes:

Of course you realize that pictures are required when its done. ;)

3rd_gear
04-28-2010, 2:26 PM
.... i don't get it... did i miss something here? why give advice about buying an SBR and getting a permit when he obviously knows it's illegal in CA?

What in the world do Oregon laws have to do with CA? :confused:
....


I don't get it either, this "Endless" sounds like a blowhard A hole.

ar15barrels
04-28-2010, 2:41 PM
I don't get it either, this "Endless" sounds like a blowhard A hole.

oh, that's nothing.
Check out moshpit in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295337

till44
04-28-2010, 5:23 PM
I don't get it either, this "Endless" sounds like a blowhard A hole.

oh, that's nothing.
Check out moshpit in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295337

:rofl2:

pacrimguru
04-28-2010, 9:14 PM
oh, that's nothing.
Check out moshpit in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295337

so very epic.

Ian
04-28-2010, 9:36 PM
oh, that's nothing.
Check out moshpit in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295337

Lol. That was quite entertaining.

killshot44
04-28-2010, 10:12 PM
oh, that's nothing.
Check out moshpit in this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=295337

Fantastic. Wish I'd have been around when it was going down.

1911su16b870
04-28-2010, 11:10 PM
I just don't get the love for SBRs. Less velocity and accuracy? Sure, sign me up. :p

Every rifle should be designed and manufactured to fullfill a particular purpose.

If you are within 100 yards and your muzzle velocity is over 2500 fps the SBR will do the job. It is easy to manipulate, conceal and get in and out of vehicles with (as Randall indicated). Here in CA we/most folks will not even have the chance to own an SBR and IMO that is why the AR/AK pistol craze is raging right now. Other states use the AR/AK pistol phase prior to getting a legal NFA tax stamped SBR.

Of course you could use lighter weight bullets to bump up your velocities in that SBR...i.e. varmint grenades etc.

7.5 and 10.5 inch barreled AR uppers are combat accurate out to 100 yards (within 6 MOA).

The AR pistols' biggest downfall IMO is simply lack of stock, and that is why it is a pistol in the first place :D

If you need to reach out and touch someone past 100 yards and want to maintain velocity for the same load, then you need a longer barrel, but that falls back on my first premise - an intended purpose for each firearm.

adamsreeftank
04-29-2010, 1:13 AM
I just don't get the love for SBRs. Less velocity and accuracy? Sure, sign me up. :p

Less velocity = true.
Less accuracy = not necessarily.