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HEUER
02-28-2006, 9:11 PM
I read this over at perfect union bbs and wanted to know if anyone heard if this was true. Apparently they were going to buy the new Ruger LE 16 MINI and went with the 7615.

I am not the biggest AR fan, but in this case why would you not supply officers with M4's or maybe even a plain COLT sporter?

TKo_Productions
02-28-2006, 9:20 PM
I am not the biggest AR fan, but in this case why would you not supply officers with M4's or maybe even a plain COLT sporter?

Many departments don't issue ARís due to the publics perceived image of them. AR's are the prototypical weapon of war and the public, media, and community generally aren't fond of seeing police officers carrying them. Just think back to right after 9/11 when the news footage showed Israeli Airports patrolled by officers and military members sporting M16's. Many commented that it looked like a police state. The decision not to issue AR's is motivated by political correctness.

HEUER
02-28-2006, 9:29 PM
Doesn't the CHP issue a shotgun and an AR 15?

RRangel
02-28-2006, 9:29 PM
This is the very city that wants to ban handguns so it's not hard to figure out. They aren't concerned for citizen safety so what makes you think they're considerate of employees?

HEUER
02-28-2006, 9:35 PM
I hear you Ramon, but this doesn't make any sense.

Such a smooth move.

rodgster
03-01-2006, 1:01 AM
Just think back to right after 9/11 when the news footage showed Israeli Airports patrolled by officers and military members sporting M16's. Many commented that it looked like a police state. The decision not to issue AR's is motivated by political correctness.

Isreal? Try America.

I remember seeing soldiers (probably reservists) IN the AIRPORT in Florida with M-16's shortly after 9/11. Mags were present. Whether there was ammo in the magazine, I did not determine. This went on for MONTHS.

Ya See I was one of the few Americans who flew shortly after 9/11. IIRC I was scheduled to fly on 9/12 but due to 9/11 I didn't actually fly until 9/13 or maybe it was 9/14????

Since I am a guy and perhaps due to other outward appearances, the stuwards and stuwardesses seemed quite happy to feed me as much coffee as I liked and were exceptionally nice to me. Of course I sat on the isle seat (with 20-30 people per plane we each had our own isle) and kept a sharp eye out for diaper heads with box cutters.

This was LONG before FAMs and reinforced cockpit doors and while most of America was cowering like a bunch of ****ies. :eek:

grammaton76
03-01-2006, 1:13 AM
I remember seeing soldiers (probably reservists) IN the AIRPORT in Florida with M-16's shortly after 9/11. Mags were present. Whether there was ammo in the magazine, I did not determine. This went on for MONTHS.

The ones I saw were also standing at ease, rifles loosely slung, and could've quite easily had their rifles taken from them. I would've felt safer WITHOUT those gombas standing around with passengers walking within arm's reach of their weapons.

If they were standing way off to the side and keeping folks at a distance, I wouldn't have minded. But in the face of suicidal turkeys, that could've been a nice little massacre at the checkpoint.

rodgster
03-01-2006, 1:40 AM
The ones I saw were also standing at ease, rifles loosely slung, and could've quite easily had their rifles taken from them. I would've felt safer WITHOUT those gombas standing around with passengers walking within arm's reach of their weapons.

If they were standing way off to the side and keeping folks at a distance, I wouldn't have minded. But in the face of suicidal turkeys, that could've been a nice little massacre at the checkpoint.

Well impressions and experiences vary.

The troops I saw were cordoned off behind a roll of "tape (for lack of a better description)" and while they appeared alert and safety conscious (trigger finger outside of guard but close by) they were not deployed alone and I believe an attempt to disarm them would have been suicidal. However your experience may be different as it is impossible to maintain a heightened sense of alert indefinitely.

rodgster
03-01-2006, 1:47 AM
Sorry for hijacking the thread but....

oh and not to blow my own horn, but I probably flew more in the "year" after 9/11 than most people have their entire lives.

HK_Fan
03-01-2006, 7:57 AM
The ones I saw were also standing at ease, rifles loosely slung, and could've quite easily had their rifles taken from them. I would've felt safer WITHOUT those gombas standing around with passengers walking within arm's reach of their weapons.

If they were standing way off to the side and keeping folks at a distance, I wouldn't have minded. But in the face of suicidal turkeys, that could've been a nice little massacre at the checkpoint.


Try and take one of their weapons....

Post 9-11 I was stationed in Little Rock Arkansas and was assigned to the airport for security. For public perception, we were not to touch our weapons unless a threat was present. We were told to be polite and keep a happy demeanor about us with a smile on our faces. So I did. We were instructed to go hands on first, and only use a weapon if I was in fear of my life or the lives of the public.

If you were to approach me, I would step back to keep a safe distance..If you proceded, the audible warning would come, if you are still stupid enough to proceed closer, you have been grabbed by the throat and introduced to the floor, with the help of 2 or 3 of my other "gombas" in assist. But I dont know, according to your avatar, I may have a tough time with you :rolleyes:


Rob

shopkeep
03-01-2006, 9:59 AM
And the DOJ wonders why LEOs are buying off-list lowers...

bwiese
03-01-2006, 10:42 AM
I read this over at perfect union bbs and wanted to know if anyone heard if this was true. Apparently they were going to buy the new Ruger LE 16 MINI and went with the 7615.

I am not the biggest AR fan, but in this case why would you not supply officers with M4's or maybe even a plain COLT sporter?

I suspect this is due to the way Remington touts the 7615 - that it requires less training since it operates much like an 870.

If true, credit Remington's salesmanship and the way some budgets work: the cost of the basic firearm is not the whole cost of the firearm - it includes training, service, spare parts, etc.

The raw gun cost might be cheaper than an AR, too. We dunno the price they got quoted. And I'd bet if SFPD looked at ARs, they'd likely only be Colts, which have, um, "interesting" pricing relative to other ARs.

I am glad to see them not use a Mini 14.

LOW2000
03-01-2006, 10:50 AM
From the "only police should have guns" file:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/EzraColi/misc/nycpd.jpg

Someone should tell him his aimpoint is on backwards...

Sgt Raven
03-01-2006, 11:08 AM
From the "only police should have guns" file:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/EzraColi/misc/nycpd.jpg

Someone should tell him his aimpoint is on backwards...

Isn't that the polish version? <jk>;)

HK_Fan
03-01-2006, 11:09 AM
From the "only police should have guns" file:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y26/EzraColi/misc/nycpd.jpg

Someone should tell him his aimpoint is on backwards...

HOLY CRAP!!!!! I feel safer...

kantstudien
03-01-2006, 11:26 AM
That's why you need BUIS.

NRAhighpowershooter
03-01-2006, 11:54 AM
One of my HP shooters is a SFPD I'll ask him tomorrow at practice..

n6nvr
03-01-2006, 11:19 PM
Do you really think there was any chance of San Francisco getting any kind of AR variant?

Probably slightly easier to train on and for those that have a low opinion of police arms manship less chance of an accidental bump firing into a group of citizens.:rolleyes:

Clodbuster
03-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Last Oct. when I stopped by Point Reyes Lighthouse, the park ranger had a shotgun, M4, -- and a sniper rifle in the squad car. Wonder if she goes to 3-gun events...

Clod

Yes they do.

icormba
03-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Not that it matters, but Sunnyvale PD has the choice of using an AR.

HEUER
03-02-2006, 8:49 PM
One of my HP shooters is a SFPD I'll ask him tomorrow at practice..


Did you get a chance to talk to your pal? Just curious. ;)

homerm14
03-03-2006, 9:16 PM
not true, and SFPD already has ar15s

HEUER
03-03-2006, 9:18 PM
Where did you get your info from? I do not see SFPD crown vics with AR's?

car15
03-05-2006, 10:49 AM
Hayward PD keeps them in the trunk in a soft case.

NRAhighpowershooter
03-05-2006, 11:44 AM
My shooter didn't show up for practice.. I'll e-mail him now.

homerm14
03-06-2006, 10:08 AM
Not all Officers have them. They are kept in hard cases in the trunk. The info comes from myself since I am one of them.

biff
03-06-2006, 7:28 PM
That's why you need BUIS.

OK I'm fairly new to all this. What's a 'BUIS'?

HEUER
03-06-2006, 8:45 PM
SFPD NON SWAT officers carry AR 15's in the trunk?

homerm14
03-07-2006, 12:16 AM
Yes, Specialists do. The Tactical unit has many choices, but primairy is the HK mp5 in .40. Specialists are patrol Officers that qualify with rifles and additional special training.

Supernam
03-07-2006, 12:43 AM
According to the narrow wording of the Prop H gun ban, if enacted, the SFPD will not be able to distribute the rifles (or ammo) to their officers. The exception only applies to handguns being used in official duty, but does not apply to long guns and ammunition. hehe stupid gun laws.


Section 2. Ban on Sale, Manufacture, Transfer or Distribution of Firearms in the City and County of San Francisco

Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, the sale, distribution, transfer and manufacture of all firearms and ammunition shall be prohibited.

Section 3. Limiting Handgun Possession in the City and County of San Francisco

Within the limits of the City and County of San Francisco, no resident of the City and County of San Francisco shall possess any handgun unless required for professional purposes, as enumerated herein. Specifically, any City, state or federal employee carrying out the functions of his or her government employment, including but not limited to peace officers as defined by California Penal Code Section 830 et.seq. and animal control officers may possess a handgun. Active members of the United States armed forces or the National Guard and security guards, regularly employed and compensated by a person engaged in any lawful business, while actually employed and engaged in protecting and preserving property or life within the scope of his or her employment, may also possess handguns.

homerm14
03-07-2006, 2:51 AM
All firearms used on duty by the SFPD (except personally owned back up weapons) are owned by the SFPD. Officers are not allowed to use anything else on duty. Also all ammo is issued by the department. As far as prop H goes the SFPD POA was strongly against it, and as far as I can see it is an unenforcable law.

accordingtoome
03-07-2006, 3:56 AM
if frisco gets AR's there prob gonna be pink with rainbow bullets :D

HEUER
03-07-2006, 11:25 AM
Thank You for answering my question. God bless!

Unsub
03-13-2006, 8:15 PM
Where did you get your info from? I do not see SFPD crown vics with AR's?


the specs have them, at least in TTF... nice and customized, too:D

vincewarde
09-14-2007, 4:28 PM
Prop H is rendered null and void by California's preemption law. This is the 3rd time in my memory that SF has passed a similar law - and in the previous two cases they lost in court.

As far as police officers - SFPD or otherwise - Federal law preempts all state and local laws, specifically allowing ALL active or honorably retired officers the right to carry anywhere in the country.

creampuff
09-14-2007, 4:50 PM
Wow...how did this thread get resurrected?:)

FatKatMatt
09-14-2007, 10:24 PM
Who has that "thread necromancer" graphic?

DedEye
09-14-2007, 11:21 PM
What a necropost...

Who was shopkeep, I saw he started the .223 picture thread and while I was reading this thread I saw he posted in it. That was how I even realized I was reading a long dead thread.

rkt88edmo
09-14-2007, 11:37 PM
ummm...let's not have a who was shopkeep thread/discussion.

ar15barrels
09-15-2007, 12:52 AM
ummm...let's not have a who was shopkeep thread/discussion.

In order to avoid a discussion, kindly post a simple link where we can read about it instead... ;)

rkt88edmo
09-15-2007, 1:22 AM
In order to avoid a discussion, kindly post a simple link where we can read about it instead... ;)

I know you are familiar with the search function :stuart:

ldivinag
09-15-2007, 12:10 PM
Hayward PD keeps them in the trunk in a soft case.


one HPD K9 has an AR in a quik release mount on the underside of the trunk

DedEye
09-15-2007, 5:14 PM
I know you are familiar with the search function :stuart:

Search no workie :(.