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JohnnyRooks
04-26-2010, 4:08 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/26/lawmakers-military-quell-chicago-violence/?test=latestnews


Chicago Lawmakers: Call In the National Guard

Associated Press

Two lawmakers who believe violence has become so rampant in Chicago that the Illinois National Guard must be called in to help made a public plea to Gov. Pat Quinn to deploy troops.

April 14: Chicago Police and investigators are seen following a shooting that left four people dead, including two children.

CHICAGO -- Two lawmakers who believe violence has become so rampant in Chicago that the Illinois National Guard must be called in to help made a public plea to Gov. Pat Quinn on Sunday to deploy troops.

A recent surge in violent crime, including a night last week that saw seven people killed and 18 wounded -- mostly by gunfire -- prompted the request from Chicago Democratic Reps. John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford. They were joined by Willie Williams, whose son was shot and killed in 2006.

Chicago has had 113 homicide victims so far this year, Fritchey said.

"As we speak, National Guard members are working side-by-side with our troops to fight a war halfway around the world," he said during a news conference in downtown Chicago. "The unfortunate reality is that we have another war that is just as deadly that is taking place right in our backyard."

Fritchey said later that the proposal wasn't a "no confidence" vote toward police.

"I think the police have done a commendable job in fighting this surge in violence, but I also think they could use some well-trained help," he said. "The reality is that (police) department resources are stretched thin."

A message left for Quinn wasn't returned Sunday.

Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis said he didn't think the National Guard was the best answer, noting that police focus on civilian law enforcement.

"I appreciate their frustration and their willingness to help," he said after Fritchey and Ford's news conference. "But I am simply not sure the National Guard is the answer to our problems -- at least in terms of mass deployment. I'm frankly not sure what their mission would be."

Weis said most of the violent crime has been focused in areas that represent only 9 percent of the city. Last week, he said the department was improving its gang intelligence, developing new computer programs and creating a mobile strike force of about 100 officers to try to quell the violence, which has been largely confined to the city's south and west sides.

Fritchey said guard members have been trained in civil law enforcement as part of their nation-building assignments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Deploying the guard also would make economic sense, considering the near-crisis in state finances, he said.

"We don't have the dollars to hire additional officers, but in the National Guard we have men and women on hand who are trained to deal with these situations," he said.

Weis questioned how much training military personnel get in civilian law enforcement.

"I spent six years in the Army, and I never got any course on how or why to obtain a search warrant," Weis said. "That simply isn't part of the military mission, but it's something our officers have to deal with every day."

But he said he could he see a possible limited role for the National Guard in specialized fields, such as intelligence analysis and helicopter support.

In July 2008, after a similar surge in street crime, then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich suggested using the National Guard, but quickly backtracked, suggesting instead that bringing in Illinois State Police could help the Chicago's officers. Mayor Richard M. Daley and other city officials rejected the idea as poorly conceived, particularly in light of the state's fiscal difficulties.


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Bizcuits
04-26-2010, 5:58 AM
Honestly it makes a lot of sense. I've often wondered why the California Guard isn't called up to help address the prison over crowding. Easily pair up two Guard Soldiers with one CO, for probably less than the cost of two actual CO's. Deploy the troops locally near their homes and ensure the CDCR maintains supervisen over them.

Then use the extra funds saved to either A) help reduce our deficit or B) bring back the state troopers, but at a less then normal law enforcement rate (screw the 75K, have em start at 40-50K), train em up and send em to the area's like Oakland, Stockton and Sacramento where law enforcement agencies need help.

goathead
04-26-2010, 6:12 AM
send them in

glbtrottr
04-26-2010, 6:25 AM
Ah - if you have ever spent any time in the beautiful city of Chicago with its wonderful people, you would be boggled and confused as to why they've allowed such a corrupt scumbag as Mare Richard M Daley Female Horse continue to be in charge of that town. Corruption is unbelievably rampant. The amount of people working in City Government involved in the scam that the Machine represents is massive.

No guns are allowed within city limits - something I guest that's lost on the crooks. Call the cops? Yeahno. No one shows up. Call the cops for a "man with gun" call? The cavalry shows up, and wait for "shots fired" to take place so they can go in heavy.

You can pay MONEY for a Firearm Owner's ID card, but it means nothing but a tax for you to own a firearm. You have to pay separately to buy and license the firearm, but in Chicago, you may only own a long gun, and it may not have a pistol grip. In other words, shotguns only, unless you feel comfy with a .308 at CQB.

want to take a glimpse as to why the Mare of Chicago Female Horse doesn't want you to have guns? Imagine his thugs coming in during the middle of the night and taking over the very airfield your airplane is parked in. Using FAA funds, the coward shuts down Meigs Field using the federal money intended to keep the airport open, and uses his cops to quelch the disturbance. It appears that Mr. Female Horse simply wanted to turn it into a park...er....concert venue...er....casino (was that my outside voice?)...

Imagine. The Mare of Chicago owning a casino! Do you know the profits that would bring?

Chicago doesn't need the National Guard.

What they need is a Department of Justice Enema that roots out all of the corrupt thugs. The sooner the better, as many of them have moved on to the white house, bringing their darling way of doing business to the hill.

Dirtbozz
04-26-2010, 6:41 AM
.........Chicago doesn't need the National Guard.

What they need is a Department of Justice Enema that roots out all of the corrupt thugs. The sooner the better, as many of them have moved on to the white house, bringing their darling way of doing business to the hill.

The state will be bent over and "taking the position" for that enema after the Nov. election. Can't wait :) .

ScottB
04-26-2010, 7:50 AM
Does anyone see this as an attempt, if only a feeble one, to influence SCOTUS' pending McDonald decision?

f33dback
04-26-2010, 7:59 AM
Bad move sending in troops, next up martial law!!!

If we are going to deploy troops in this country deploy them on the border.

REH
04-26-2010, 8:24 AM
I agree that the guard should be use to protect the borders, but not local law enforcement. Seeing camo clad personal walking around in the streets with M16’s is fine for the European countries, but not in America.

loather
04-26-2010, 8:32 AM
Send in the national guard? Are they mad? Martial law, on a US city?

You have *GOT* to be kidding me.

loather
04-26-2010, 8:34 AM
Seeing camo clad personal walking around in the streets with M16ís is fine for the European countries, but not in America.

I'm not sure it's OK there either -- perhaps a bit more accepted because it's what you expect, but that doesn't make it OK.

rod
04-26-2010, 8:38 AM
What's wrong with a surge in violence in a place like Chicago? Let the thugs clean house all they want. I just wish innocent lives wouldn't be lost in the process.

jacques
04-26-2010, 8:48 AM
Does anyone see this as an attempt, if only a feeble one, to influence SCOTUS' pending McDonald decision?

It would only reinforce Chicagos laws have failed. I read that and it is very clear. I don't see how this would work to their advantage at all.

tiki
04-26-2010, 8:59 AM
"I think the police have done a commendable job in fighting this surge in violence, but I also think they could use some well-trained help,"

NICE!

hill billy
04-26-2010, 10:04 AM
NICE!

That made me giggle. So 1. The cops are not well trained or 2. They are adequately trained and inadequately equipped which proves their ban is a joke.

thrillhouse700
04-26-2010, 10:12 AM
They need to round up all the thuggish peoples, and rival gang members in every city and put them in "Fun Camps" Turn it into a Nationally broadcast T.V show. Randomly throw in weapons like numchucks, ninja stars, bo staffs, a 9mm pistol with ONE round. Id watch it, would also make our streets safer.

nick
04-26-2010, 11:14 AM
Start with the mayor.

Blackhawk556
04-26-2010, 11:27 AM
may be they should ban people in the city, less people will equal less crime



ok seriously, how are they antis going to say their ban works now??????????

nick
04-26-2010, 1:34 PM
Easily. Their opinions aren't based on rational beliefs, and that's when they're being honest.

The Director
04-26-2010, 1:36 PM
In the interview, the Commissioner (or whatever his title is), said the cops thought bringing in the NG was a bad idea, and they should further try and tighten up the gun laws.

This guy does not get it.

f33dback
04-26-2010, 2:46 PM
In the interview, the Commissioner (or whatever his title is), said the cops thought bringing in the NG was a bad idea, and they should further try and tighten up the gun laws.

This guy does not get it.

Well if they just make guns illegal then criminals won't use them right?






:p

captn-tin
04-26-2010, 2:59 PM
daley, taking lessons from bloomberg using under cover operatives in states other than his own will probably want " his " troops to invade whatever state he thinks those evil guns are coming from.

Full Clip
04-26-2010, 3:05 PM
Wait a sec, I thought everything was perfect in Chicago, where Dems have been in control of decades and cleaned up all the..., oh... right...

I guess now we know why BHO was so hot to get out of Illinois...

REH
04-26-2010, 3:31 PM
I'm not sure it's OK there either -- perhaps a bit more accepted because it's what you expect, but that doesn't make it OK.

You are right. Should have said South America and Mexico...........

Stealth
04-26-2010, 3:43 PM
Chicago needs more law enforcement. My guess like most local entities they don't have the money. Even if they had the money to increase law enforcement they don't have the time to train and deploy this increase.

Easy and quick solution is call in the National Guard. Time is very quick. And the cost falls to the federal government (assuming federal money funds the national guard).

I got mixed feelings on this. I like to see lawful cities but to bring in the national guard it reminds me of when the British sent in the Redcoats to Boston some centuries ago. And this would mean federal money is funding this and so essentially we are all paying for better crime enforcement in Chicago.

Why should the rest of America pay for the problems of one City?

As we all know this problem in Chicago festered from years of empowering criminals by depowering citizens from access from tools to protect and defend themselves.

June can't arrive fast enough.

f33dback
04-26-2010, 3:52 PM
Why should the rest of America pay for the problems of one City?


Because this is one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Bobula
04-26-2010, 3:59 PM
Maybe they're just chasing 2 guys in suits in a cop car with a cop suspension and a cop motor?

greasemonkey
04-26-2010, 4:41 PM
Well if they just make guns illegal then criminals won't use them right?:p
Not necessarily, see, if capital punishment was a little more strict, if we could just do a more agressive death penalty, maybe people would stop murdering...now, we already have a waiting period on capital punishment, how else do you suppose we could register, tax and impose fees? Surely if we make the death penalty more complicated, it MUST reduce the murder rate.

Wait a sec, I thought everything was perfect in Chicago, where Dems have been in control of decades and cleaned up all the..., oh... right...

I guess now we know why BHO was so hot to get out of Illinois...
It just took a while for the pooh to get to the fan, like a really slow string of soft serve ice cream dropping out of the nozzle.

Merc1138
04-26-2010, 4:55 PM
Because this is one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Yes, but that still doesn't explain why we need to pay for it, especially when the feds can just tell them their gun bans are unconstitutional, enforce the constitution, and then as citizens become able to defend themselves, the problem starts to go away.

f33dback
04-26-2010, 5:22 PM
Yes, but that still doesn't explain why we need to pay for it, especially when the feds can just tell them their gun bans are unconstitutional, enforce the constitution, and then as citizens become able to defend themselves, the problem starts to go away.

Because anytime we exclude one part of the nation because "we don't want to pay for it" we are no longer one nation.

Big Jake
04-26-2010, 5:36 PM
Let's see. Chicago is a gun free zone, but they have one of the highest murder rates in the country. Washington D.C. ditto! This law has certainly worked out well! :rolleyes:

BigDogatPlay
04-26-2010, 6:05 PM
Chicago needs more law enforcement. My guess like most local entities they don't have the money. Even if they had the money to increase law enforcement they don't have the time to train and deploy this increase.

Chicago PD alloted / budgeted strength is ~13,000 for a population of 2.8 million within 234 square miles. They have about 11,000 sworn right now with budget cuts and all. Second largest police organization in the country.

LAPD, by comparison is ~9,000, 3.8 million population in 498 square miles and I don't hear Chief Beck or anyone on the council hollering for the CANG.

Pure, unadulterated grandstanding by the corrupt poofs that run Chicago. The citizenry there is so used to being mercilessly rogered by the clowns they elect that no one really seems to care.

yellowfin
04-26-2010, 6:22 PM
daley, taking lessons from bloomberg using under cover operatives in states other than his own will probably want " his " troops to invade whatever state he thinks those evil guns are coming from.
Then finally perhaps he can and Bloomberg could be addressed as what they really are, a domestic enemy to freedom, and dealt with accordingly. It's long been time. We've been in what is nothing less than a cold war for decades now.