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xbimmers
04-25-2010, 1:10 PM
Okay, so I suspected my Saiga had a threaded barrel. I dremels the shroud off and there it was. The barrel is threaded. Now what..

Can anyone tell me what twist the Saiga threaded barrels come in.

I have this:/ but don't want to force it on!

AK74 STYLE MUZZLE BRAKE-SAIGA RIFLE AK47
SKU: AK74-BRAKE
SAIGA 223, 5.45x39, 7.62X39 and AK47's
SAIGA RIFLES MUST BE THREADED 14 x 1 LH TO USE
MADE IN THE USA TAPCO



Thanks!

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/IMG_4411.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/IMG_4417.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/IMG_4426.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/IMG_4427.jpg

CSACANNONEER
04-25-2010, 1:21 PM
I'm willing to bet that it's a 14x1 LH thread. You should not have to force it on. If it does not thread smoothly, stop and get help. Remember that it is a left handed thread so, twist it counter clockwise to install.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 1:22 PM
Can you take a really clear picture? And how far back does the threading go? I want to save the pic in my inventory. Thanks.

I believe their 14x1 left hand threads also. That's kind of wierd that the barrels are threaded to begin with. Saigas are just neutered AK 100's. Those have no muzzle threads. The front sight base that's pressed and peened on has the threads attached to it. That thread is 24mm.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 1:31 PM
I screwed on my 14x1 LH flash hider and it screws on for a little bit and then stops....NO I am not forcing it!

HMMMMM

I'm willing to bet that it's a 14x1 LH thread. You should not have to force it on. If it does not thread smoothly, stop and get help. Remember that it is a left handed thread so, twist it counter clockwise to install.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 1:32 PM
It's probably the Tapco muzzle brake. Find a milspec slant brake and try it.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 1:34 PM
I will work on a better pic along with a pic of a measuring tape next to it.

For now I am trying to figure out the twist on this thread. I am going to clean the threads with a steel brush....There might be some muck in there!

Can you take a really clear picture? And how far back does the threading go? I want to save the pic in my inventory. Thanks.

I believe their 14x1 left hand threads also. That's kind of wierd that the barrels are threaded to begin with. Saigas are just neutered AK 100's. Those have no muzzle threads. The front sight base that's pressed and peened on has the threads attached to it. That thread is 24mm.

AlliedArmory
04-25-2010, 1:42 PM
Wow nice. Wish mine was like that. It is probably a 14 x 1 LH. If you have a tap/die set, you can try chasing the threads to see.

C.W.M.V.
04-25-2010, 1:46 PM
OP is yours a 7.62 or 5.45?

CSACANNONEER
04-25-2010, 1:46 PM
If you feel like coming up here today, I have a few military slant brakes and a couple of AMD65 brakes that we can try. You'll either have to wait until after I finish the bannana blackberry milkshake that I just made or, bring some vanilla ice cream and a bannana and make your own.

quig
04-25-2010, 1:47 PM
Ah yes, it brings back memories. Good job on your discovery. It looks like a very clean job. Mine was not so great.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=261180

69mach1 is right, some breaks won't thread all the way. If anyone else is reading this and is in the same situation, I would advise to first measure with the brake you are using and only cut down the shroud the amount that is needed for that particular brake.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 1:47 PM
OP is yours a 7.62 or 5.45?

And what year? Thanks.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:05 PM
Okay, after cleaning the threads I was able to get the Tapco muzzle break on. Some of the threads on the barrel appear to have been slightly damaged from the shroud.

So I am able to screw the break all the way in with no problems now. But now I have a 1 cm gap from the end of the break to the sight post. Should I just go ahead and red lock tight this bad boy or what?

C.W.M.V.
04-25-2010, 2:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong guys but a genuine article Soviet two piece MB for AK74 wont fit on this thread will it? Base isn't wide enough?

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:09 PM
Okay, after cleaning the threads I was able to get the Tapco muzzle break on. Some of the threads on the barrel appear to have been slightly damaged from the shroud.

So I am able to screw the break all the way in with no problems now. But now I have a 1 cm gap from the end of the break to the sight post. Should I just go ahead and red lock tight this bad boy or what?

Use a crush washer to fill the gap and to index the brake correctly.

CSACANNONEER
04-25-2010, 2:10 PM
You might want to consider shimming it before you locktite it.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:11 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong guys but a genuine article Soviet two piece MB for AK74 wont fit on this thread will it? Base isn't wide enough?

The AK 74 front sight base does not screw onto the threads of the muzzle. The whole thing is pressed onto the barrel. The 24mm threads are part of the front sight base.

http://www.dsarms.com/images/AK167B.JPG

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:13 PM
This is a 7.52 which I recently purchased from Peach State guns......there is an 09 under one of the markings.....

And what year? Thanks.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:15 PM
If I only knew what a crush washer was....

Use a crush washer to fill the gap and to index the brake correctly.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:17 PM
do they make crush washers that are about 1 cm thick?

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:17 PM
You could also buy an adapter that will convert the theads to 24mm for the AK 74 type muzzle brake. Without a spring plunger though, you'll have to figure a way of keeping the parts held there.
http://www.rguns.net/Graphics/GunParts/Rifle/AK/KrebsAK74BrakeAdapter-400.jpg
http://www.rguns.net/Graphics/GunParts/Rifle/AK/KrebsAK74Brake-400.JPG

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:18 PM
If I only knew what a crush washer was....

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Crush%20Washer-2T.jpg

cortayack
04-25-2010, 2:19 PM
I'm checking mine today......Got a pipe cuter for the job...I read you should only cut 5/8ths back from muzzle.......I hope mine is threaded.....

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:30 PM
New pictures posted

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:39 PM
New pictures posted

I'm checking mine today......Got a pipe cuter for the job...I read you should only cut 5/8ths back from muzzle.......I hope mine is threaded.....

Yep, looks like 5/8" to me. Thanks.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 2:41 PM
Okay, so I suspected my Saiga had a threaded barrel. I dremels the shroud off and there it was. The barrel is threaded. Now what..

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/IMG_4426.jpg


Nevermind on the the crush washer. It looks like a huge gap. Maybe adding a muzzle nut inbetween?

http://www.ak-builder.com/images/detailed/barrel_nut_1.jpg

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:43 PM
I think I took one for the team! haha....

Yep, looks like 5/8" to me. Thanks.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 2:45 PM
Where can I order this muzzle nut?

Nevermind on the the crush washer. It looks like a huge gap. Maybe adding a muzzle nut inbetween?

http://www.ak-builder.com/images/detailed/barrel_nut_1.jpg

The Director
04-25-2010, 2:57 PM
Why don't you just cut down the barrel slightly and throw the brake on.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 3:02 PM
I am just going to paint the area, get a barrel nut and call it a day.

It was fun converting this rifle! I've learned a lot and now I want to focus on shooting some cheap 7.62 out in Mojavi.

I spent about $800 on this Saiga conversion. All well worth it.

Why don't you just cut down the barrel slightly and throw the brake on.

CSACANNONEER
04-25-2010, 3:07 PM
Is the brake really bottoming out? Or, do you just need to chase the threads?

If you want to make your own muzzle nut, I'll give you an old slant brake to cut down. Even if you buy a muzzle nut, it appears that you will need to cut it way down.

xbimmers
04-25-2010, 3:16 PM
I am going to live with the gap!

Thanks for the brake offer....I think my brother has a muzzle nut I can use. no thanks for now...

Is the brake really bottoming out? Or, do you just need to chase the threads?

If you want to make your own muzzle nut, I'll give you an old slant brake to cut down. Even if you buy a muzzle nut, it appears that you will need to cut it way down.

SunriseF150
04-25-2010, 3:22 PM
It looks like the base is wider than the threaded part. So the muzzle nut won't fit that far back unless you drill or dremel out some of the inside of the back of the muzzle nut.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 3:58 PM
Where can I order this muzzle nut?

http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=172



Why don't you just cut down the barrel slightly and throw the brake on.

To fill that gap, it may be too much. The carbine only has a 16.3 inch barrel. The .3" is the CYA with the Feds. Unless you mean to turn down the diameter of the barrel.


It looks like the base is wider than the threaded part. So the muzzle nut won't fit that far back unless you drill or dremel out some of the inside of the back of the muzzle nut.

Yeah, looks like it.

69Mach1
04-25-2010, 4:16 PM
The way I would do this is to buy the adapter and grind down the non threaded extension two thirds. Then screw on the adapter as far back as possible. Because I've just ground down the extension, an actual AK 74 muzzle brake will fit much further back on the adapter and maybe even touch the front of the front sight with the back of the muzzle brake.
http://www.ak-builder.com/images/detailed/14-1_thread_adapter-1.jpg
https://www.apexgunparts.com/images/AK47/AK74%20Muzzle%20Brake%20Bulgarian.jpg

You will have to use locktite to make sure it doesn't move, but then you can't use corrosive ammo.

IsaacGlass
04-25-2010, 8:59 PM
My 2008 7.62x39 isnt threaded. Any suggestion how to thread it?

ae13291
04-25-2010, 9:09 PM
my saiga was not threaded as well but came with the dimples and the military barrel

s30
04-25-2010, 9:44 PM
in 2009 7.62, 5.56 and .308 Saigas came with threaded barrels. Dont you Saiga owners go to the Saiga forums?

ae13291
04-25-2010, 9:50 PM
^^^ not all saigas in 2009 came with threaded barrels. mine is 03/09 rifle X39 non threaded but military barrel

tlillard23
04-25-2010, 9:51 PM
Okay, so I suspected my Saiga had a threaded barrel. I dremels the shroud off and there it was. The barrel is threaded. Now what..

you do realize that asking about "my saiga" is asking about "my ford" and what tires fit.....

killshot44
04-25-2010, 11:50 PM
I have a 3/09 production Saiga 7.62 also. It had all the "identifiers" that those found to have threaded barrels had, alas no threads.

Got Dinzag's threading kit and Kendog4570 in Santa Cruz cut the threads for me, now she sports a PWS brake and rocks like a .22

Tough finding washers with an ID of .569 and an OD small enough to look good. Locktite is your friend.

IsaacGlass
04-25-2010, 11:59 PM
in 2009 7.62, 5.56 and .308 Saigas came with threaded barrels. Dont you Saiga owners go to the Saiga forums?

I bought mines from City Arms in Dec 2008 no dimples, military barrel and now I know, no threaded barrel. A buddy of mines bought his from RCGE 10 days after I bought mines Dec 15th 2008 has dimples, military barrel and a threaded barrel. I dont think mfr year is a good indicator as to whether the rifle has a threaded barrel or not.

thedrickel
04-26-2010, 12:05 AM
On my .223 I pulled off the sight base (pinned), threaded it 14x1 all the way down to the front of the (now chopped) sight base, put the FSB back on, and used a 24mm adapter w/ bulgy 74 brake, which covers up the whole area where the gap would be. :)

IsaacGlass
04-26-2010, 12:25 AM
I have a 3/09 production Saiga 7.62 also. It had all the "identifiers" that those found to have threaded barrels had, alas no threads.

Got Dinzag's threading kit and Kendog4570 in Santa Cruz cut the threads for me, now she sports a PWS brake and rocks like a .22

Tough finding washers with an ID of .569 and an OD small enough to look good. Locktite is your friend.

Did you tap the thread 5/8-24 RH or 9/16-24 RH?

ae13291
04-26-2010, 12:56 AM
the factory threading is 14x1 LH i bought the die myself and threaded mine

Q
04-26-2010, 5:55 AM
Can you take a really clear picture? And how far back does the threading go? I want to save the pic in my inventory. Thanks.

I believe their 14x1 left hand threads also. That's kind of wierd that the barrels are threaded to begin with. Saigas are just neutered AK 100's. Those have no muzzle threads. The front sight base that's pressed and peened on has the threads attached to it. That thread is 24mm.

Izhmash still produces the akm with wood stock.;) Last place I saw new late version Russian akm was from Cuban pics. They currently make 103s for the Venezuelans.

s30
04-26-2010, 7:08 AM
Saiga started putting threaded barrels on their rifles in 2009. In the second quarter they ran out/officially stopped installing non threaded barrels. Guys should hit the Saiga forums, even covers that gap issue.

xbimmers
05-03-2010, 9:13 PM
Okay...I got my barrel nut and installed it. It left a small amount of room for the break...but I managed to get it on nice and tight.....does the break have to be screwed well into the barrel threading or can it be out near the tip as long as it is tight.

69Mach1
05-03-2010, 9:25 PM
Trust me, nothing is tight when it comes to a screwed on muzzle brake. Let's see what you got.

xbimmers
05-03-2010, 9:56 PM
This is what I got! ...should I cut the barrel nut in half to give me more room for the brake?

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4430.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4431.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4432.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4433.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4428.jpg

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae169/xbimmers/Gun%20pictures/IMG_4429.jpg



Trust me, nothing is tight when it comes to a screwed on muzzle brake. Let's see what you got.

69Mach1
05-04-2010, 8:04 PM
Yeah, it looks like you're going to need more threading, and some blue locktight.