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EBWhite
02-27-2006, 8:46 PM
I came up with this, what do you guys think???

The second amendment states, ďA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." The proposed ban of gun sales on Glendale property is a clear infringement upon my second amendment rights as a United States citizen. According to the United States Justice Department, in a document dated August 24, 2004, the United States Assistant Attorney Generals found, ďour examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the second amendment secures an individual right.Ē
This proposed ban is no more than meaningless leftist propaganda. Gun bans have statistically proven to do nothing to deter gun violence. The federal assault weapons ban in 1994 created restrictions on certain military style semi automatic weapons to deter crime. However, a study done in 1999 by the Department of Justice found that it did not reduce crime. Since the 1980ís, we have banned assault weapons, saturday night specials, and required handguns to be registered. Crime has not gone down everyday we are still involved with gun violence. Obviously, gun laws are not followed by criminals; otherwise these bans would have been proven effective.
Instead of making it harder for law-abiding citizens to purchase guns, why doesnít the city council recommend a common sense stance on guns that would deter crime? For example, urging the police department to issue more concealed weapons permits to law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their fellow citizens. For example, since adopting a shall issue concealed weapons permits in Florida, the homicide rate has fallen 21%. Statistics show that in states with restrictive laws on concealed carry that homicides are 49% higher, robbery is 58% higher, and aggravated assault is 15% higher. If you really want to put Glendale's safety as a priority, that is where we could start.
Letís get our priorities straight in Glendale by using the extra revenue from the gun show to investigate and prosecute the out of control medical and insurance fraud that is all too common in Glendale these days. Letís make Glendale safer with common sense policies instead of politically correct feel good nonsense.


EbWhite

blacklisted
02-27-2006, 9:09 PM
The second amendment does not guarantee the right to have gun expositions.

Perhaps I am not familiar with all of the proposed ban, does it ban sales at gun stores as well? Or are there no gun stores in Glendale?

You should focus on the fact that getting rid of gun shows will do nothing to help lower crime (use good, solid evidence to support your claims).

Most of the issues you bring up are great. However, they are broad issues and the idiots who want to ban the gun shows would be more easily swayed if you can bring the issue close to home. Mention how criminals do not buy their guns from gun shows and gun stores; instead they buy them illegaly. Some people (even those sponsoring the ban) might not even know about the background checks in place on guns, or that the gun show will be mostly jerky and knives. ;)

Try and educate them on the current laws that attempt to ensure that only law abiding citizens get guns.

EBWhite
02-27-2006, 9:15 PM
The ban does not allow sale or possession on city owned property. These is 1 gun store in glendale. The right to carry a long gun in your car woudl not be allowed under this ban, that violates the second amendment.

blacklisted
02-27-2006, 9:20 PM
The ban does not allow sale or possession on city owned property. These is 1 gun store in glendale. The right to carry a long gun in your car woudl not be allowed under this ban, that violates the second amendment.

I agree, thanks for clearing this up. I always thought that they could regulate commerce but not possession. As for carrying a long gun, do they not even allow specific authorized destinations (like carrying it to a shooting range). What a piece of ****! They were no doubt emboldened by San Fransisco's socialist experiment.

RRangel
02-27-2006, 9:20 PM
Good luck with it. I hope many Glendale residents show up. I wish this was brought more attention earlier since there would have been more time to prepare.

CALI-gula
02-27-2006, 9:22 PM
The second amendment does not guarantee the right to have gun expositions... ...Try and educate them on the current laws that attempt to ensure that only law abiding citizens get guns.

Educate them on the FIRST AMENDMENT:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It does not state there needs to be jutstifiable cause or "good reason" to peaceably assemble.

blacklisted
02-27-2006, 9:24 PM
Educate them on the FIRST AMENDMENT:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It does not state there needs to be jutstifiable cause or "good reason" to peaceably assemble.

That is correct. This is a good point to bring up

Builder
02-28-2006, 2:38 PM
Here's the one I came up with.
I plan on being there.
Builder

EBWhite
02-28-2006, 2:44 PM
very good ill see you there, ill be in a gray dickies jacket...

bridgeport
02-28-2006, 2:45 PM
One gun store in Glendale ?? What ??

1) Kings - Glenoaks
2) Military Historical Arms - San fernando Road
3) another one up glendale blvd although I forget the name.

sinner
02-28-2006, 3:01 PM
Best of luck to you guys. This is a fight that needs to be fought.

Builder
02-28-2006, 8:08 PM
Well,
There's good news!!
They withdrew the proposal even before any of us had a chance to speak. The city attorney pointed out unfinished appeals for the N. Ca. gun show and that did it for 3 of the 5 council members to indicate that they would vote NO now and any time in the future. Then we all got a 3 min. chance to speak. Great work everyone!! The NRA sent 2 or 3 reps.
Made my comments totally moot, so cut it very short.
Sorry EB that I didn't see you. Would have been great to meet!
Thanks to all,
Builder

EBWhite
02-28-2006, 8:19 PM
Builder, I was the college guy that said the mayor was sending the message that he doesnt respect our rights...im sure you heard me speak, that anti gun guy up there was a moron!

Builder
02-28-2006, 8:31 PM
Hi EB,
I think I do, but I was ready to go gunho and then they took all the wind out, so I cut mine really short and wasted a chance. That made me not pay attention to all in attendance.
Yes, the mayor just doesn't understand the difference between 1st Amendment allowing the city to ban gun shows, as opposed to how he had it worded to ban POSSESSION of a firearm on any city property, which is 2nd Amendment.
Might try sending my info to him,
Builder
Once again, THANKS to ALL!

RRangel
02-28-2006, 8:32 PM
Great work guys.

glen avon
03-01-2006, 8:07 AM
builder, I can tell you from experience that your presentation and comments need to be a lot shorter and don't bother arguing legal theories, the city atty is not going to pay any attention to them. and proofread it thoroughly. the first typo they see, they think you are an amateur. a professional-looking document, with no errors, commands more respect.

when any of you speak, speak for less than the allotted time. in this case, try and do it in 2.5 minutes. city councils get very tired of people trying to cram 5 minute presentations into 3 minutes. if you speak too quickly, they will lose attention immediately. if you can't say everything in 2.5 minutes at a normal conversational pace, them submit the rest of your comments in a letter and refer to that letter in your presentation. send copies to the city clerk before the board packages go out,, and bring copies to the city council meeting too, enough for everybody on the dais and the clerk too.

make sure the letter is impeccable. look like an amateur, get treated like everybody else. that's how it works.

jnojr
03-01-2006, 8:51 AM
Can any of you guys handle working a table at the gun show this weekend? This measure should be a real wakeup call for Glendale residents... and the vast majority of them will never know that this almost happened.

Throw together a quick poster and print it at Kinkos. Let people know. Let them know that they need to be on guard. Get their signatures on the RKBA petition. This idiot mayor will be back and try again.

Builder
03-01-2006, 8:54 AM
I hear you glen. The doc was simply my text for my speech. I would appreciate your help in making those corrections that you suggest. I was unable yesterday to get it proof read by some one else as I did this in ~4 hrs. while continuing to work.
I was under the impression that we would get 5 min. each. I was able to do the speech in under 5, but not 3. That plus 3 of the 5 stating their position to vote against, let me cut my comments to less than a minute. I'd like to keep this doc for any future efforts and would appreciate corrections and improvements.
Thanks very much,
Builder

bg
03-01-2006, 9:11 AM
I got so tickled over hearing this, I just went and joined the
CRPA and threw in a 5.00 dollar donation. [I know, cheap,
but I've been out of work for a long time due to illness]

I should of done this long ago, but it's never too late to
support gun rights....until they're are gone.
bg

glen avon
03-01-2006, 9:16 AM
I would be glad to help

jnojr
03-01-2006, 10:09 AM
I got so tickled over hearing this, I just went and joined the
CRPA and threw in a 5.00 dollar donation.

Do not hold your breath and expect the CRPA to do a whole lot to protect your rights.

The CRPA marches in lockstep with the NRA. They are only willing to take on high-visibility "slam dunk" issues, like piling on lawsuits against Prop H. They are not willing to actually fight... they go out of their way to ignore the RKBA amendment and things like AB448 that have a lower chance of success and that actually might change things in California.