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nk-1911
04-24-2010, 11:29 PM
Last week there was a "Take Your Kids to Work Day" at my work and I thought we should have an official "Take a Liberal Friend to the Range Day". Most Libs are afraid of guns so if we take them out, teach them how to shoot, and show them how much fun it is to shoot perhaps they would join our cause. We could also teach them gun safety so they wouldn't feel so intimidated by them. The more libs we can get on our side the better since California is full them. Just a thought. What do you all think? I don't know if this idea has been post before. If it is then please feel free to delete it. Thanks

showerbabies
04-25-2010, 4:47 AM
*thumbs up*. PM me if you need help.

CnCFunFactory
04-25-2010, 7:21 AM
Last time I did this it turned the person into a shooter. He went from ZERO guns to a Glock, 2 Ar's , a sig 556 and a sig 522 within a year!:eek: I wish all of my Obama voting liberal friends were this way.:cool:

Regulus
04-25-2010, 7:37 AM
Not all liberals are anti-gun. We have many liberals here on the forum and I have a few liberal friends that are strong 2A proponents.

Great idea though, maybe have a "Take a new shooter to the range day" and should probably focus on the indifferents (those who don't care one way or the other about firearms). Most anti's are hopeless for the most part and getting one to the range to try it would likely be a waste of time. Getting those who don't care to start caring would be beneficial.

kap
04-25-2010, 8:34 AM
You are not going to make a huge impact taking one person at a time to the range (unless you envision a pyramid scheme). Even so, taking someone to the range may not change their minds about gun laws, just guns. Most people have a "what's good for me and my friends is not necessarily good for everyone else" mentality. That said, I do solicit people who are hesitant about guns for range trips to show them that it is safe and fun. Most people are just intimidated by guns and the unknown, so I focus on safety rules and manipulating the unloaded firearm first. Then I teach them to aim properly and good trigger control before loading the firearm and letting them shoot to their hearts content. With that basic information they make good hits on the target and have a great time. Most ask when they can go shooting with me again.

a1c
04-25-2010, 8:46 AM
Plenty of gun-toting liberals. They're just not as vocal because too many conservative 2A supporters make their cause political and have - rightfully or not - associated gun rights with the right. That's a double-edged sword.

CCWFacts
04-25-2010, 8:53 AM
You are not going to make a huge impact taking one person at a time to the range (unless you envision a pyramid scheme).

It will make a huge impact if we all do it. It will be a slow impact but it will build up over the years. Taking non-shooters to the range is the most important long-term thing we can do to restore our gun rights in California and the US.

If you have only $20 and 2 hours to spend in a year on gun issues, in my opinion, the best use of that time and money is to take a non-shooter to the range.

Lulfas
04-25-2010, 8:55 AM
Plenty of gun-toting liberals. They're just not as vocal because too many conservative 2A supporters make their cause political and have - rightfully or not - associated gun rights with the right. That's a double-edged sword.

Sounds just about right. Much better to do it as "Take a new shooter to the range day" and ditch your politics on the non-2A stuff at the door.

radioburning
04-25-2010, 9:06 AM
I try to do this as often as possible. Last guy I took, a vegan pacifist, now wants a glock and wants me to build him an AR.

pointedstick
04-25-2010, 9:11 AM
Even so, taking someone to the range may not change their minds about gun laws, just guns. Most people have a "what's good for me and my friends is not necessarily good for everyone else" mentality.

I've had this experience multiple times. I've taken a couple of my anti-gun co-workers to the range, and while they had a fun time and learned about guns and how they work, none of them have really shed their anti-gun perceptions. The issue didn't really matter to them enough one way or the other to ever be committed to either side. I still do it, of course, because educating people is important, and who knows I may get a convert someday.

Tacom
04-25-2010, 9:57 AM
Hey...I'm liberal and anti-gun. When are you guys taking me to the range to convert me from my evil ways? :p

^Obviously a joke trying to score a free range trip lol.

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 9:59 AM
Last week there was a "Take Your Kids to Work Day" at my work and I thought we should have an official "Take a Liberal Friend to the Range Day". Most Libs are afraid of guns so if we take them out, teach them how to shoot, and show them how much fun it is to shoot perhaps they would join our cause. We could also teach them gun safety so they wouldn't feel so intimidated by them. The more libs we can get on our side the better since California is full them. Just a thought. What do you all think? I don't know if this idea has been post before. If it is then please feel free to delete it. Thanks

I wouldn't say that's true at all. I used to go to the range with my lib friends more often then I went with my (R) friends.

I think before you do this - you have to get into a mindset of not treating it "my liberal friend". leave the politics and whatnot out of the conversation - or it will backfire.

DavidRSA
04-25-2010, 10:34 AM
Plenty of gun-toting liberals. They're just not as vocal because too many conservative 2A supporters make their cause political and have - rightfully or not - associated gun rights with the right. That's a double-edged sword.

Absolutely!! There are a lot of us left leaning gun owners, we are just more private about our politics....

Ding126
04-25-2010, 10:40 AM
Don't forget the shovel

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 10:40 AM
Absolutely!! There are a lot of us left leaning gun owners, we are just more private about our politics....


I'm not even more private about it - i just don't talk about it on here as much.

Part of the problem is that as a gun owner, if you mention being "liberal" around other gun owners - you're going to get the riot act about socialism and nazi germany and everything else. I'm here to talk about guns, not to a lecture about healthcare and the free market.

nn3453
04-25-2010, 11:05 AM
California is dominated by liberals. No matter how much one rants and raves about it, that is not going to change. The only thing we can change is to have more shooters concerned about their rights. Gun ownership needs to be prevalent and a non issue in deciding which politician gets more votes. That means stop thinking of people as Ds and Rs and trying to get as many Ds and Rs on the 2A side as possible. After that happens, the rest of us can go on with our lives and exercising our rights and the staunch Ds and Rs can argue about health care, weed, taxes, so on all day. Of course, that is but a dream.

YubaRiver
04-25-2010, 11:07 AM
It does work well. I have two friends I took shooting just a couple of times.
They used to read me the riot act about firearms, saying stuff like
"guns are made for only one thing". Now they both own their own guns and
one reloads. They have a more independent outlook on the 2nd amendment
now.

Rainbow Warrior
04-25-2010, 11:38 AM
Last week there was a "Take Your Kids to Work Day" at my work and I thought we should have an official "Take a Liberal Friend to the Range Day". Most Libs are afraid of guns so if we take them out, teach them how to shoot, and show them how much fun it is to shoot perhaps they would join our cause. We could also teach them gun safety so they wouldn't feel so intimidated by them. The more libs we can get on our side the better since California is full them. Just a thought. What do you all think? I don't know if this idea has been post before. If it is then please feel free to delete it. Thanks

Oh I thought you meant use them for target practice, my bad.:rolleyes:

Pixs
04-25-2010, 12:05 PM
Hi Folks,

I really wish that there was a way to reach some of you about posting offensive topics on this forum, you are not helping our cause.

While a lot of us may see this: "Oh I thought you meant use them for target practice, my bad." as a joke, it is not very funny to a lot of people that fear being shot by a gun crazed maniac. Most fence sitters are not afraid of guns but the people holding them. Stop feeding their fears.

Moderators: it would help if you banned all political discussion of anything but 2A and gun related stories from this forum. You could always add a forum for Conservative Politics and another for Liberal Politics.

As it stands now, I don't link to this forum because of the political venom spewed by a few, it does more harm than good.

Best to all,

Pixs

nk-1911
04-25-2010, 12:31 PM
Thanks eveyone for your input and for sharing your experience. The title was made tongue-in-cheek. I hope I didn't offend anyone here. It's been a bit depressing around here so I thought a little humor is in order. Besides, we are all friends here and we all share common enemies, those pesky gun grabbing politicians....We all know that not all libs are anti guns but I think it's safe to say that "most" of them are especially in states like California and New York. You libs on Calguns are exception to the rule and I'm really glad you are here. The challenge is to get more people involve. We have to encourage and mentor them anyway we can. Take them out and show them the ropes so to speak. I think it's important that we must expand and increase our voting block otherwise we would never get anywhere. We have to start at the grassroot and that's with people we know. Politicians won't pay much attention to you and me but if we speak with collective voice they won't be able to ignore us. They'd have to think twice about voting for a law that could hurt their own career. The bigger the group the louder we speak. The more people shoot the more member we have and that means more money to support Calguns and the NRA. It all starts with you and me. There are 50K members on Calguns and if half of us can mentor someone whether he/she is a libs or conservatives that would add up to quite a big group. The bottom line is to get more people involve. Show them that guns are not evil. On your next trip to the range try and encourage someone to go with you. I did it with one of my co-workers and now he is looking to buy his own gun. The cool thing is that now he went and get his brother involve as well. It's working out better than I planned. Time for me to look for my next victim, I mean target. :-)

That's all I have to say. I'll get off my soapbox now. Thanks again.

nk-1911
04-25-2010, 12:38 PM
Hey...I'm liberal and anti-gun. When are you guys taking me to the range to convert me from my evil ways? :p

^Obviously a joke trying to score a free range trip lol.

I think you are already evil enough so please spread your evilness around. :)

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 12:46 PM
Thanks eveyone for your input and for sharing your experience. The title was made tongue-in-cheek. I hope I didn't offend anyone here. It's been a bit depressing around here so I thought a little humor is in order. Besides, we are all friends here and we all share common enemies, those pesky gun grabbing politicians....We all know that not all libs are anti guns but I think it's safe to say that "most" of them are especially in states like California and New York. You libs on Calguns are exception to the rule and I'm really glad you are here. The challenge is to get more people involve. We have to encourage and mentor them anyway we can. Take them out and show them the ropes so to speak. I think it's important that we must expand and increase our voting block otherwise we would never get anywhere. We have to start at the grassroot and that's with people we know. Politicians won't pay much attention to you and me but if we speak with collective voice they won't be able to ignore us. They'd have to think twice about voting for a law that could hurt their own career. The bigger the group the louder we speak. The more people shoot the more member we have and that means more money to support Calguns and the NRA. It all starts with you and me. There are 50K members on Calguns and if half of us can mentor someone whether he/she is a libs or conservatives that would add up to quite a big group. The bottom line is to get more people involve. Show them that guns are not evil. On your next trip to the range try and encourage someone to go with you. I did it with one of my co-workers and now he is looking to buy his own gun. The cool thing is that now he went and get his brother involve as well. It's working out better than I planned. Time for me to look for my next victim, I mean target. :-)

That's all I have to say. I'll get off my soapbox now. Thanks again.

I'll be perfectly honest with you...

The majority of liberals I know in both California and New York (i'm a registered democrat and have lived in both places) are more afraid of gun owners, and the attitudes of gun owners - then they are of guns themselves.
It's when they see people standing up with rifles in their hands yelling 'from my cold dead hands' or talking about being a '3%'er' that they start getting nervous. It's that 'angry old white gun nut' stereotype that some people seem to be all too happy to feed that does the most harm.
When anti-gun politicians come along and talk about 'protecting our communities' for a lot of people it's just as much about protection from the 'crazies' as it is the criminals.

nk-1911
04-25-2010, 12:48 PM
I wouldn't say that's true at all. I used to go to the range with my lib friends more often then I went with my (R) friends.

I think before you do this - you have to get into a mindset of not treating it "my liberal friend". leave the politics and whatnot out of the conversation - or it will backfire.
Sinixtar,
You are right about leaving politics out, that's why I'm saying that we encourage people we know like our co-workers for example. If you work together then most likely you know each other well and when you go shoot with them you'd conduct yourself accordingly. We are all grown ups and professionals here. It'd be just a fun day at the range.

Rainbow Warrior
04-25-2010, 12:53 PM
Hi Folks,

I really wish that there was a way to reach some of you about posting offensive topics on this forum, you are not helping our cause.

While a lot of us may see this: "Oh I thought you meant use them for target practice, my bad." as a joke, it is not very funny to a lot of people that fear being shot by a gun crazed maniac. Most fence sitters are not afraid of guns but the people holding them. Stop feeding their fears.

Moderators: it would help if you banned all political discussion of anything but 2A and gun related stories from this forum. You could always add a forum for Conservative Politics and another for Liberal Politics.

As it stands now, I don't link to this forum because of the political venom spewed by a few, it does more harm than good.

Best to all,

Pixs

Dude grow up and stop acting silly, if you can't handle disagreements this forum is not for you.
I got news flash for you, not everybody on this site agree's with each other 100% of the time.

nk-1911
04-25-2010, 12:54 PM
I'll be perfectly honest with you...

The majority of liberals I know in both California and New York (i'm a registered democrat and have lived in both places) are more afraid of gun owners, and the attitudes of gun owners - then they are of guns themselves.
It's when they see people standing up with rifles in their hands yelling 'from my cold dead hands' or talking about being a '3%'er' that they start getting nervous. It's that 'angry old white gun nut' stereotype that some people seem to be all too happy to feed that does the most harm.
When anti-gun politicians come along and talk about 'protecting our communities' for a lot of people it's just as much about protection from the 'crazies' as it is the criminals.

I see your point. It's stereo typing that we have to change and the only way to change it is to encourage them to participate and meet gun owners out there. They will learn quickly that we are peace loving people and we are no treat to society. We are no evil.

CharAznable
04-25-2010, 12:55 PM
The take a new shooter thing is a good idea, always. A friend did it for me and I thank him. I was a bit afraid of the whole gun thing. I didn't think they should be banned or anything I was just concerned about the personal responsibility of using and owning one. He taught me I could do it safely and guess what - it's pretty fun.

kajvid
04-25-2010, 1:28 PM
I'm not even more private about it - i just don't talk about it on here as much.

Part of the problem is that as a gun owner, if you mention being "liberal" around other gun owners - you're going to get the riot act about socialism and nazi germany and everything else. I'm here to talk about guns, not to a lecture about healthcare and the free market.

:thumbsup:
+1 and very well said.

2Bear
04-25-2010, 2:38 PM
You are not going to make a huge impact taking one person at a time to the range (unless you envision a pyramid scheme). Even so, taking someone to the range may not change their minds about gun laws, just guns.

I dunno... I suspect you could make quite an impact. Esp. considering pyramid/trickle down.

Once they are interested in marksmanship; ownership, rights and laws soon follow, IMNSHO.

I find my friends' opinions change by just seeing a real gun in an urban home, largely through grasping the significance and responsibility of it being there with this opinionated owner.

(RangeReady™: I'll make you up buttons for the visitors, er, RangeReady™ Rangers... and shoot the video. And help BBQ...)

Shotgun Man
04-25-2010, 2:49 PM
Hi Folks,

I really wish that there was a way to reach some of you about posting offensive topics on this forum, you are not helping our cause.

While a lot of us may see this: "Oh I thought you meant use them for target practice, my bad." as a joke, it is not very funny to a lot of people that fear being shot by a gun crazed maniac. Most fence sitters are not afraid of guns but the people holding them. Stop feeding their fears.

Moderators: it would help if you banned all political discussion of anything but 2A and gun related stories from this forum. You could always add a forum for Conservative Politics and another for Liberal Politics.

As it stands now, I don't link to this forum because of the political venom spewed by a few, it does more harm than good.

Best to all,

Pixs

You don't "link" to this forum? I'm not even sure what that means. Obviously, you are posting in a thread in this forum.

Lulfas
04-25-2010, 2:58 PM
I'll be perfectly honest with you...

The majority of liberals I know in both California and New York (i'm a registered democrat and have lived in both places) are more afraid of gun owners, and the attitudes of gun owners - then they are of guns themselves.
It's when they see people standing up with rifles in their hands yelling 'from my cold dead hands' or talking about being a '3%'er' that they start getting nervous. It's that 'angry old white gun nut' stereotype that some people seem to be all too happy to feed that does the most harm.
When anti-gun politicians come along and talk about 'protecting our communities' for a lot of people it's just as much about protection from the 'crazies' as it is the criminals.

I think that's exactly the issue.

smalltime
04-25-2010, 3:56 PM
Two friends who got me into shooting are on the left end of the spectrum and some would probably consider me a liberal although I think of myself in the middle. It's the liberal law makers that need to go to the range to see the difference between lawful gun owners and the lawless criminals they think they are protecting us from.

mtptwo
04-25-2010, 4:20 PM
But I am already a dreaded liberal and I go to the range plenty. How about a take a Antigun Republican Housewife to the Range day instead?

tuolumnejim
04-25-2010, 4:39 PM
Sorry no can do I do not associate with lib's, they give me heartburn and a headache. :D

nk-1911
04-25-2010, 4:42 PM
The take a new shooter thing is a good idea, always. A friend did it for me and I thank him. I was a bit afraid of the whole gun thing. I didn't think they should be banned or anything I was just concerned about the personal responsibility of using and owning one. He taught me I could do it safely and guess what - it's pretty fun.

The same story for me. I was afraid of guns and never thought I would own guns and then one day my ex-Navy friend took me to the range and I was hooked. This was 15 years ago. I remember asking him at that time "Why do you need to have so many guns?" I thought he was nuts. I now own a few and I wish I could have more.

Let's all do what we can to get more people involve. We'll show those politicians that we are a force to be reckoned with. Let's have a Calgun surge.

Arondos
04-25-2010, 4:43 PM
Our maintenance group at work has quite a few firearms owners. We make a trip to the range every few months. We have had several people who did not own firearms around when we are planning range trips and if they show interest they get invited.

Couple of them have been liberals, couple have been conservatives. Some of them now own their own firearms and take interest in what the politicians are doing.

IMO anytime we can make sure someone is even neutral versus being anti it is a win.

chuckdc
04-25-2010, 5:56 PM
I'll be perfectly honest with you...

The majority of liberals I know in both California and New York (i'm a registered democrat and have lived in both places) are more afraid of gun owners, and the attitudes of gun owners - then they are of guns themselves.
It's when they see people standing up with rifles in their hands yelling 'from my cold dead hands' or talking about being a '3%'er' that they start getting nervous. It's that 'angry old white gun nut' stereotype that some people seem to be all too happy to feed that does the most harm.
When anti-gun politicians come along and talk about 'protecting our communities' for a lot of people it's just as much about protection from the 'crazies' as it is the criminals.

Maybe they need to stop being prejudiced. We could start some diversity training for them, so that they can stop being prejudiced. Or perhaps, just grow up and be more accepting like the rest of the population.

Hey.. I've had to sit through a bunch of that kind of stuff, turnabout is fair play.

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 5:58 PM
Maybe they need to stop being prejudiced. We could start some diversity training for them, so that they can stop being prejudiced. Or perhaps, just grow up and be more accepting like the rest of the population.

Hey.. I've had to sit through a bunch of that kind of stuff, turnabout is fair play.

Right, cause the average die-hard conservative gun owner is so accepting of 'liberals' :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to say it's right or wrong - I'm just trying to say there is an image out there, and for a lot of people that image is the only experience they have.

The Director
04-25-2010, 6:25 PM
I'm thinking of inviting Paul Helmke.









To hold the target. :43::43::eek::eek:

Bill Carson
04-25-2010, 9:13 PM
Take a liberal to the range. Why ,were they out of targets?

cbn620
04-25-2010, 9:27 PM
Not all liberals are anti-gun. We have many liberals here on the forum and I have a few liberal friends that are strong 2A proponents.

Great idea though, maybe have a "Take a new shooter to the range day" and should probably focus on the indifferents (those who don't care one way or the other about firearms). Most anti's are hopeless for the most part and getting one to the range to try it would likely be a waste of time. Getting those who don't care to start caring would be beneficial.

Agreed. Even a "Take a gun control advocate to the range day" would be fine with me. I understand the correlation between liberals and people who are anti-gun, but that doesn't mean causation. Making this an issue of liberals versus conservatives only serves to divide people even more. It really needn't be a partisan issue. I understand the title "take a liberal" does not really imply liberals are bad, but it does imply all gun owners are conservative, which quite frankly will not draw a lot of liberals into gun rights issues. As a person who leans a little to the left I can tell you the way to make anti-gun liberals see the reality on gun rights is to present this as a civil rights issue, which is exactly what it is. Making them feel like gun advocacy is a conservative issue will only push them farther away.

Radiant
04-26-2010, 8:43 AM
Agreed. Even a "Take a gun control advocate to the range day" would be fine with me. I understand the correlation between liberals and people who are anti-gun, but that doesn't mean causation. Making this an issue of liberals versus conservatives only serves to divide people even more. It really needn't be a partisan issue. I understand the title "take a liberal" does not really imply liberals are bad, but it does imply all gun owners are conservative, which quite frankly will not draw a lot of liberals into gun rights issues. As a person who leans a little to the left I can tell you the way to make anti-gun liberals see the reality on gun rights is to present this as a civil rights issue, which is exactly what it is. Making them feel like gun advocacy is a conservative issue will only push them farther away.

Well said.

The use of "liberal", as though it means anti gun, does a lot of harm to gun rights. The gun control issue is not about liberal vs conservative and the conservative folks who think it is are losing a lot of ground by separating themselves from folks with a common cause. Get past the lib vs con argument and get on message with anti vs pro. It's time to be smarter.

bombadillo
04-26-2010, 8:49 AM
I had the "Gun" conversation with an American hating Canadian who moved here for work. She was just aghast at my ownership of guns and we went on to situations where one may be needed and various reasons to own them. After talking for a little bit, I finally just figured out that Canadians just want to roll over and let things happen to them. It was easier for her to say that she'd rather not have anything at all to defend herself with and would give anything up that the potential burglar, rapist, murderer, or whoever it may have been asked, than to have a gun. I just can't get over this mentality at all but at least she was willing to go out shooting with me in the near future!

The other argument that was shot down right off the bat is the indoctrination that handguns are inherently bad all the time. I said no, these things are just a machine and its the nut behind it that causes bad things to happen. She said "No, in Toronto, all we ever hear about is handgun violence and bad things happening because of them." I asked her if they were illegal to own handguns up there and she said yes.............And I just waited while the wheels turned :D

nk-1911
04-26-2010, 10:57 AM
I had the "Gun" conversation with an American hating Canadian who moved here for work. She was just aghast at my ownership of guns and we went on to situations where one may be needed and various reasons to own them. After talking for a little bit, I finally just figured out that Canadians just want to roll over and let things happen to them. It was easier for her to say that she'd rather not have anything at all to defend herself with and would give anything up that the potential burglar, rapist, murderer, or whoever it may have been asked, than to have a gun. I just can't get over this mentality at all but at least she was willing to go out shooting with me in the near future!

The other argument that was shot down right off the bat is the indoctrination that handguns are inherently bad all the time. I said no, these things are just a machine and its the nut behind it that causes bad things to happen. She said "No, in Toronto, all we ever hear about is handgun violence and bad things happening because of them." I asked her if they were illegal to own handguns up there and she said yes.............And I just waited while the wheels turned :D

She can call 911 and the police will protector her from the bad guys. That's their job. I wonder if she feels threaten by your presence after she learned that you own guns. Take her out to the range and let us know how it goes.

Glock22Fan
04-26-2010, 11:13 AM
Right, cause the average die-hard conservative gun owner is so accepting of 'liberals' :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to say it's right or wrong - I'm just trying to say there is an image out there, and for a lot of people that image is the only experience they have.

I think this cuts both ways. There's a lot of liberals, as has been said in another post, who are totally unaccepting of the average die-hard conservative gun owner.

It has to be the people in the middle who get convinced.

BTW, my wife grew up scared stiff of firearms (not firearm owners). Her first husband (a LEO) took her to the range because, as he said, he had guns around the house and she needed to get used to them. She did and now shoots better than me.

I have in-laws that won't even look at a gun lying on the table. They shiver at its sight.

I took a pair of nephews to the range. One of them loved it, the other watched but wouldn't touch a gun or fire a single round.

bombadillo
04-26-2010, 11:45 AM
She can call 911 and the police will protector her from the bad guys. That's their job. I wonder if she feels threaten by your presence after she learned that you own guns. Take her out to the range and let us know how it goes.

Right, and as the saying goes; "When seconds count....." :rolleyes:

I am going to try to get her to shoot my newly acquired .22lr pistol first and let her see that all handguns aren't a viper of death ready to shoot puppies and babies at the thought of using one. I will say she's at least honest that her dad was a hippie from Humboldt to begin with and she said she grew up afraid of them because if she even pointed her hand like a gun as kids do, she would get scolded or in trouble.

The Director
04-26-2010, 12:00 PM
I had the "Gun" conversation with an American hating Canadian who moved here for work. She was just aghast at my ownership of guns and we went on to situations where one may be needed and various reasons to own them. After talking for a little bit, I finally just figured out that Canadians just want to roll over and let things happen to them. It was easier for her to say that she'd rather not have anything at all to defend herself with and would give anything up that the potential burglar, rapist, murderer, or whoever it may have been asked, than to have a gun. I just can't get over this mentality at all but at least she was willing to go out shooting with me in the near future!

The other argument that was shot down right off the bat is the indoctrination that handguns are inherently bad all the time. I said no, these things are just a machine and its the nut behind it that causes bad things to happen. She said "No, in Toronto, all we ever hear about is handgun violence and bad things happening because of them." I asked her if they were illegal to own handguns up there and she said yes.............And I just waited while the wheels turned :D

Good luck trying to convert a Canadian. They have a piss poor attitude about this country and while they have a decent rate of firearms ownership, it's strictly for hunting/sporting purposes.

Mention firearms in a self defense scenario and watch the room go quiet. Talk about actually CARRYING a firearm for self defense....it'll go over like a lead balloon. I don't know that they can be reasoned with. I don't try anymore.

Bunch of pansy asses.






Oh, and by the way, I was born in a little lakeside mining town called TORONTO.

Someguy925
04-26-2010, 12:09 PM
Good luck trying to convert a Canadian. They have a piss poor attitude about this country and while they have a decent rate of firearms ownership, it's strictly for hunting/sporting purposes.

Mention firearms in a self defense scenario and watch the room go quiet. Talk about actually CARRYING a firearm for self defense....it'll go over like a lead balloon. I don't know that they can be reasoned with. I don't try anymore.

I disagree with that. I know Canadian friends who enjoyed the experience at the Vegas Gun Shop as much as the other guy.

I think their views are influenced by the strict gun laws that exist in Canada. One that stuck in my head is that people who shoot in self-defense scenario are subject to punishment. I suppose that is why for a lot of people, it is pretty taboo.

Sinixstar
04-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Good luck trying to convert a Canadian. They have a piss poor attitude about this country and while they have a decent rate of firearms ownership, it's strictly for hunting/sporting purposes.

Mention firearms in a self defense scenario and watch the room go quiet. Talk about actually CARRYING a firearm for self defense....it'll go over like a lead balloon. I don't know that they can be reasoned with. I don't try anymore.

Bunch of pansy asses.






Oh, and by the way, I was born in a little lakeside mining town called TORONTO.


I actually had a Canadian friend tell me recently that the government should just go door to door and round up all the guns and melt them down, and that would solve the problem. I told him go ahead and send the mounties to the Nevada desert to start collecting guns, see how long they last.

I then proceeded to explain to him that our constitution protects people's rights to own/use guns, and also protects people's rights from government confiscation of personal property. He told me then perhaps our constitution was just wrong, and just needed to be changed. We agreed that this is why he lives in Canada, and I live in the US, and it should probably remain that way.

p_shooter
04-26-2010, 12:51 PM
I'm running out of newbs to take to the range.

My last holdout friend has been dying to go, but her husband won't let her. He hates all guns, even squirt guns. Best part, his 2 year old son is obsessed with guns. He'll use his imagination to turn every toy he picks up into a gun. Oh the irony.

The Director
04-26-2010, 1:46 PM
I actually had a Canadian friend tell me recently that the government should just go door to door and round up all the guns and melt them down, and that would solve the problem. I told him go ahead and send the mounties to the Nevada desert to start collecting guns, see how long they last.

I then proceeded to explain to him that our constitution protects people's rights to own/use guns, and also protects people's rights from government confiscation of personal property. He told me then perhaps our constitution was just wrong, and just needed to be changed. We agreed that this is why he lives in Canada, and I live in the US, and it should probably remain that way.


And that's why I was born there and now live here! :)

nk-1911
04-26-2010, 2:09 PM
OK. Let's leave them Canadians alone. They are lost cause. Let's focus on the French. :)

yellowfin
04-26-2010, 6:02 PM
How about a take a Antigun Republican Housewife to the Range day instead?In many ways those are actually worse. They carry more influence to reasonable people and network better, bringing with them a measure of credibility that wouldn't be assigned to someone who bears less conventional views. By asserting pressure at home, they've unfortunately diverted a lot of our would-be supporters.

Midian
04-26-2010, 6:07 PM
The problem however, is spending a couple hours with liberals.

N_S
04-26-2010, 7:24 PM
I do this almost every time I go shooting.
I never go alone.