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Doheny
04-24-2010, 11:05 AM
It will be tough to get gun laws changed if things keep going this direction.

Article (http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2010/04/23/dems-up-gop-down-in-statewide-voter-registration/34175/).

radioman
04-24-2010, 11:16 AM
It will be tough to get gun laws changed if things keep going this direction.

Article (http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2010/04/23/dems-up-gop-down-in-statewide-voter-registration/34175/).

Not all democrats are anti gun, I was a democrat from 1974 until just this year, I left the party for who they became, I have never been anti gun...

RRangel
04-24-2010, 11:17 AM
What? You mean we live in a blue state?

pepsi2451
04-24-2010, 11:28 AM
Not all democrats are anti gun, I was a democrat from 1974 until just this year, I left the party for who they became, I have never been anti gun...

You might not be anti gun but if you have been voting democrat for 35 years you probably voted for some anti gun democrats.

REH
04-24-2010, 11:45 AM
Sadly there are people who go to the booth and check all the "D's" or "R's" without checking the back ground of the candidate. I believe this is the main reason we are in this mess now.

Cokebottle
04-24-2010, 11:48 AM
Not all democrats are anti gun, I was a democrat from 1974 until just this year, I left the party for who they became, I have never been anti gun...
My parents were the same... they were Dems until they nominated Humphrey... been hardcore conservative Republicans ever since, and are not happy with the direction the party has taken.

k1dude
04-24-2010, 12:12 PM
I wouldn't pay any attention to the statistics. They showed the increase from 2006 when even Republicans were pissed at the Republicans. It just shows the rapid increase in Democratic registrations as a result of pre-election Obama mania.

And notice they left out Independents? I'll bet Independents have led the way since Obama was elected. In fact, I'll bet since the Obama election, Republicans and Independents have probably increased and Democrats have decreased.

The numbers as presented are meaningless. I'm sure the media specifically chose the statistical time frame and then released the numbers as propaganda to fictitiously show how everyone supports Obama, Pelosi, Boxer, and Feinstein.

It's junk science and junk reporting.

bulgron
04-24-2010, 1:30 PM
Some of those numbers have to do with conservatives getting fed up and bailing out of this state. And some have to do with conservatives getting mad at the Republican party as it behaved under Bush, and becoming independents. That doesn't mean they won't continue to vote conservative, however.

Where Dems have increased their numbers, I'm pretty sure that has to do with Obama and the massive voter registration drive that went into his election. It is an open question as to whether people who got excited about the first black president will be excited enough to vote in an off-year election in which the first black president is not running.

CalNRA
04-24-2010, 1:34 PM
so basically tax generating Americans are not producing quickly and are leaving the state, while the number of people who depend on government handouts are on the increase.

the continuing decline of California. No surprise there.

curtisfong
04-24-2010, 1:42 PM
Perhaps the gun lobby (and the grass roots effort) should consider not tying the pro-gun stance with partisan issues?

Cokebottle
04-24-2010, 1:48 PM
Perhaps the gun lobby (and the grass roots effort) should consider not tying the pro-gun stance with partisan issues?
I don't see CGF doing that.
The NRA certainly does, and it will be interesting to see if they throw their support behind Meg or Moonbeam.

curtisfong
04-24-2010, 1:51 PM
I don't see CGF doing that.

CGF the organization does not, but most posters here certainly do.


The NRA certainly does, and it will be interesting to see if they throw their support behind Meg or Moonbeam.

I have no doubt we already know the answer to this. "Moonbeam" is a socialist. Downright pinko. All this talk of satellites and technology is definitely delusional liberal stuff.

Cokebottle
04-24-2010, 1:55 PM
I have no doubt we already know the answer to this. "Moonbeam" is a socialist. Downright pinko. All this talk of satellites and technology is definitely delusional liberal stuff.
Exactly my point.

He is further to the left than either of the RINOs running with "R" next to their name, but of the 3, he is the only one that supports RTKBA.

If the NRA wishes to support pro-2A candidates, then they will be forced to either support Brown, or take no stance in the election (which will also say something).

But my money is on the NRA sending out letters and emails urging support of Meg "There will be no gun accessory sales on eBay" Whitman, simply because she is a Republican.

Lulfas
04-24-2010, 2:25 PM
But my money is on the NRA sending out letters and emails urging support of Meg "There will be no gun accessory sales on eBay" Whitman, simply because she is a Republican.

And that's why I won't have an NRA membership ever. As one of (what at least appears to be) the few liberals here, I won't give them money to just blindly support Republicans.

Cokebottle
04-24-2010, 2:28 PM
And that's why I won't have an NRA membership ever. As one of (what at least appears to be) the few liberals here, I won't give them money to just blindly support Republicans.
Actually, today more than any time, you may as well because the current crop of Republicans are far more liberal than JFK and other Democrats of his time.

bwiese
04-24-2010, 2:43 PM
I don't see CGF doing that.
The NRA certainly does, and it will be interesting to see if they throw their support behind Meg or Moonbeam.

Actually the NRA generally DOESN'T.

I don't see Meg getting NRA support at all.

I also see the CA NRA being smart enough not to taint Jerry Brown with an A rating and relying on undercurrents instead.


nd that's why I won't have an NRA membership ever. As one of (what at least appears to be) the few
liberals here, I won't give them money to just blindly support Republicans.

Then you are misinformed. The CA NRA guys give a crap only about guns. The NRA has supported - quietly or otherwise,
as the situation/candidate/race requires, Democrats. Sometimes a "C+" rating on a Dem is a hidden message "we don't wanna hurt
this guy buy being associated with guns". :)

curtisfong
04-24-2010, 2:48 PM
Sometimes a "C+" rating on a Dem is a hidden message "we don't wanna hurt
this guy buy being associated with guns". :)

My response would be that this shouldn't be necessary... and if it weren't for the idiots that hang out in places like AR15.com, it wouldn't.

bwiese
04-24-2010, 2:53 PM
My response would be that this shouldn't be necessary... and if it weren't for the idiots that hang out in places like AR15.com, it wouldn't.

It's less necessary for the gunnies than for antis not wanting to vote for an NRA "A" candidate.

Cokebottle
04-24-2010, 3:01 PM
It's less necessary for the gunnies than for antis not wanting to vote for an NRA "A" candidate.
Good point....

So you'd perhaps expect to see a "D" or a "C-" rating on Meg and Steve, and a "C+" or no comment on JB?

Window_Seat
04-24-2010, 3:08 PM
Whether we have more (D)s or (R)s, it won't matter for long because the cases that move forward will restore rights which would never be a reality even in a (R) majority Legislature. It will ultimately matter in the courts, and the only thing that will likely have to happen is the cleaning up of bad code.

Erik.

curtisfong
04-24-2010, 3:14 PM
It's less necessary for the gunnies than for antis not wanting to vote for an NRA "A" candidate.

I agree, but would add that there would be a lot fewer "antis" if it weren't for the partisan nature of most "pros".

You are preaching to the converted, btw. There is wisdom in casting the 2A as a civil rights issue over anything else. If grass roots advocacy could simply ditch the ar15.com type nutcases, the RKBA (and NRA) would have much more bipartisan support, and the NRA wouldn't have to play games with its ratings to avoid "scaring" democrats who have bought into the "2A doesn't describe a civil right" garbage.

In my experience, democrats do so only out of spite for the right wing, and for practically no other reason.

radioman
04-24-2010, 3:22 PM
My parents were the same... they were Dems until they nominated Humphrey... been hardcore conservative Republicans ever since, and are not happy with the direction the party has taken.

my granddad's were working men, as was my dad, and democrat, all of them, my mom still is. my dad past away when I was 10, fore years go by and I have a new dad, I loved that man very much, a more hard line republican I have never met, he would let me make my point, the value of debate was the best he gave to me, he was surprised when I voted for Ford, and more so with my reason for it. I don't always vote my party line, I like to read before I vote.

limitdown
04-25-2010, 1:26 AM
I don't try to pick which party is "better", I've given up on that.
I try to pick the party that sucks less....
:sleeping:

Glock-matic
04-25-2010, 3:17 PM
I believe in the party that believes in the least amount of government. I cried during the Bush years, but not like I cry now. If a candidate pledged a 50% cut in government I would vote for him or her no matter the party.

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 4:55 PM
It will be tough to get gun laws changed if things keep going this direction.

Article (http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/2010/04/23/dems-up-gop-down-in-statewide-voter-registration/34175/).

only if you make the false assumption that 2A rights are a left vs right issue.

It's no coincidence that in states that are overwhelmingly democrat, the anti 2nd forces try to make it a left vs right issue.

If you buy into that, you will always lose. The argument cannot be cast in purely political party terms, because it is not a political party issue.

Cokebottle
04-25-2010, 5:11 PM
If you buy into that, you will always lose. The argument cannot be cast in purely political party terms, because it is not a political party issue.
+1

This is an issue of fascism/statism vs (for lack of a better term) libertyism.
MANY hardcore "conservatives" are also strongly favor a police state. They honestly believe that "the system" works and if they have done nothing wrong, they have nothing to worry about.

These are the "law and order" people that I mentioned in the thread where we are discussing ideas for RTKBA video spots for the media.
They trust the police, they trust the judicial system, and they will vote for anything that they believe will be hard on crime.
They voted in the "penalty assessment on criminal fines" that turns a $100 infraction into a $400 ticket.
They voted in 3 strikes (which I agree with).
They supported the reduction of the BAC limit to 0.08%, even though limits below 0.13% are not supported by the founder of MADD.

They consider themselves to be conservative and supported Reagan, Bush, and Dole, but they don't fully comprehend the Constitution and would just as quickly vote in favor of a measure that stripped the 4A and 5A rights from anyone merely arrested. Their feeling is that if someone got arrested, they did SOMETHING wrong, and they should pay, even if what they did wasn't what they were arrested for.


Not everyone on "the right" is our friend.

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 5:21 PM
Cokebottle - one of the most dangerous (because it could potentially be effective) arguments in favor of gun control i've ever heard, was from a hardcore conservative that argued gun control laws made it easier to lock criminals up for a longer period of time. that if you were a law abiding citizen, you still had access to guns to protect yourself and your family - even if you had to jump through some hoops to make it happen, but if you were a criminal, you'd have a longer list of charges you'd have to answer to.

This is possibly one of the most dangerous trains of thought i've ever heard, as I think a lot of people could buy into it as being a 'win win'. gun owners supposedly get to keep their guns, and criminals get more time in jail. I mean, isn't that what we're all looking for? :eek:

Nevada Hudson
04-25-2010, 5:28 PM
Just look who is in control of both houses. They have a "D" after their name.
Who is voting to take away our 2nd amendment rights?

bwiese
04-25-2010, 5:31 PM
Just look who is in control of both houses. They have a "D" after their name.
Who is voting to take away our 2nd amendment rights?

yes many times it's a D.

We also had a Republican gov to sign them.

And the various AW bans in the 1990s had a bunch of "tough on crime" Republican support.

AndrewMendez
04-25-2010, 5:34 PM
Exactly my point.

He is further to the left than either of the RINOs running with "R" next to their name, but of the 3, he is the only one that supports RTKBA.

If the NRA wishes to support pro-2A candidates, then they will be forced to either support Brown, or take no stance in the election (which will also say something).

But my money is on the NRA sending out letters and emails urging support of Meg "There will be no gun accessory sales on eBay" Whitman, simply because she is a Republican.

I don't think the NRA will endorse her in the election. I don't think we have a solid candidate who we can endorse, with the exception of maybe Jerry Brown, which I, as well as the majority of the CGN'ers are going to have to be heavily swayed to confirm he is in fact who he say's he stands for. That D next to his name is a strong message to all of us.

Cokebottle
04-25-2010, 5:35 PM
Cokebottle - one of the most dangerous (because it could potentially be effective) arguments in favor of gun control i've ever heard, was from a hardcore conservative that argued gun control laws made it easier to lock criminals up for a longer period of time. that if you were a law abiding citizen, you still had access to guns to protect yourself and your family - even if you had to jump through some hoops to make it happen, but if you were a criminal, you'd have a longer list of charges you'd have to answer to.
Bingo.

The number of "conservatives" who support gun registration is not small.

Cokebottle
04-25-2010, 5:39 PM
That D next to his name is a strong message to all of us.
For me, it's not the "D" next to his name... it's the fact that I was born in 1963 and I watched what happened to this state while he was governor the first time.

Like her or not (and I don't), Meg's campaign ads attacking Brown are spot on. He's a "tax and spend" (handout) liberal straight out of the Walter Mondale school of economics.

Sinixstar
04-25-2010, 5:40 PM
yes many times it's a D.

We also had a Republican gov to sign them.

And the various AW bans in the 1990s had a bunch of "tough on crime" Republican support.

Everybody likes to rewrite history and talk about how the '94 AWB was all dems, and they rammed anti-gun legislation down everybody's throats. But if you look at history - it was a fairly overwhelming majority that voted for it. Hell - it passed the senate with 96 votes. Enough democrats crossed the line and voted against it - that if it was stricly a left/right issue - it would have been defeated easily in the house.

History just doesn't support the myth of the 'evil gun banner' in my opinion. There are anti 2A elements on both sides of the aisle. The dems are just not as afraid to wear that hat. R's tend to try to hide it more.

VW*Mike
04-25-2010, 5:43 PM
my buddy is a bleeding heart, bed wetting liberal. He says he doesn't like guns and doesn't want them in his home, but he says its my god given right to own one and he has to protect that too....... why can't they all be this sensible. I know lots of democrats that are gun people. We just have to make sure they are educated on whats going on. Most don't have a clue. I turn people here, all the time that never knew Calguns existed.