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firearmenthusiast
04-23-2010, 3:09 AM
I just realized that the anti-gunners such as the brady bunch or what have you will continually press for more gun laws no matter what they say. I noticed how they say they aren't anti-gun, just that they want "common sense" gun laws. Since they have no control over what criminals do, they can only disarm law-abiding citizens. They believe that no guns = no violence. However, I can't think of a certain study or case that points to this. With every gun law, they will realize that nothing happened with regards to crime. Instead of looking outside of the box, they will relentlessly believe the only reason crime is still there is due to guns. It appears to me they will create law after law with no effect on crime until they think that NO GUNS AT ALL should do the trick. Thus Britain and crime goes up ever higher and history repeats itself. Scary

Cali-Shooter
04-23-2010, 3:18 AM
They expect you to die.

AndrewMendez
04-23-2010, 3:42 AM
They expect you to die.

Or die trying. You can not reason with them. If you could, they would understand that a gun is a tool, and anything in the wrong persons hands is a weapon.

Cobrafreak
04-23-2010, 4:19 AM
Well apparently we are attempting to "overcompensate" for something, or so I hear.

Knight
04-23-2010, 4:27 AM
In other news, water is wet.

That's why he we can never let up in fighting. This battle will never end, and just like any fight there is an ebb and flow to it. The stronger - and smarter - we push back, the better off we'll be.

vantec08
04-23-2010, 5:00 AM
Of course they wont let up enthusiast, it is much easier to demonize inanimate objects than to own up to what 40 years of social liberalism has wrought. Especially considering that the abusers of guns and gun rights are predominantly of one political party. They are just biding time till SCOTUS is stacked with enough "creative" robes.

Havoc70
04-23-2010, 5:46 AM
The way I view the various "anti gun violence" groups is that to them it's a religious calling. They view it as their mission under said religion to rid the world of guns.

The problem is they have blinders on, they paint guns and their owners with a wide brush. They don't seem to get that strict gun control measures will actually cause a rise in crime. The comment about Britain is absolutely correct. My ex-wife (she's British) and I were visiting her parents for NY2K and on BBC news they ran a ten minute news segment about gun control not working. In 1999 alone violent crime involving hand guns increased 40% and that trend continues.

The only country I can think of that seems to have a fairly low crime rate with strict gun control is Japan. However, Japan is a mostly homogeneous population, it doesn't have the racial and social diversity Western countries have and with that diversity comes differing viewpoints on morals and ethics. And with that comes differing views of when it's appropriate to "go to the gun".

Sir Mix-A-Lot said it best in one of his songs, "I don't believe in gun control, the theory is proven / Give a criminal a gun and your public is losin'".

Some people are so rabid anti-gun they will never capitulate or compromise, just like some gun owners. So, immovable object, meet unstoppable force. Both sides view a compromise as one more step down that slippery step to complete loss of their views. We have to realize that the enemy is just as unyielding and passionate as we are. Just as they are starting to adopt the NRA's lobbying practice, we must adopt some of their strategies and make them our own.

Most people's minds are made up through the media, independent thought is a thing of the past. What people believe is jacked into their head through a panel of glass that is fed by a fiber-optic or coaxial cable. To win this war we have to win in judicial, legislative and in media actions. All are incredibly expensive tasks to undertake and the anti-gun groups have access to a vast array of wealth those of us on this side can only imagine.

So, unfortunately, we are harrier forces. We have to selectively attack the enemy and win where we can. Will we eventually? To be honest, I'm really doubtful things will change much in California until the younger generations come into power. Even then, it's a slim chance. Demographics probably won't change, but we can only hope that the "tolerant left" becomes truly more tolerant of all rights as time goes on. Of course, this also depends on people seeing news reports where guns actually do good; I think we can all agree on what the chances of that are.

Meanwhile, we try to help those who are in the trenches how we can, plug our noses at the stench of inequity of rights here in California and slowly watch the wheels of justice turn.

glockwise2000
04-23-2010, 5:49 AM
They would stop to nothing thinking that the safest way is to disarm law-abiding citizens. For them, civilians who owns and practice their 2A rights are the criminals.

gmcal
04-23-2010, 6:17 AM
Which is why bill, gene, etc. are constantly reminding us we need to be patient, better organized and smarter than them. We have the right people to beat them, let them do their jobs.

John-Melb
04-23-2010, 6:31 AM
I just realized that the anti-gunners such as the brady bunch or what have you will continually press for more gun laws no matter what they say. I noticed how they say they aren't anti-gun, just that they want "common sense" gun laws. Since they have no control over what criminals do, they can only disarm law-abiding citizens. They believe that no guns = no violence. However, I can't think of a certain study or case that points to this. With every gun law, they will realize that nothing happened with regards to crime. Instead of looking outside of the box, they will relentlessly believe the only reason crime is still there is due to guns. It appears to me they will create law after law with no effect on crime until they think that NO GUNS AT ALL should do the trick. Thus Britain and crime goes up ever higher and history repeats itself. Scary

I think we're going to have to put you in a room on your own........you're starting to notice things.:):):)

Big Jake
04-23-2010, 6:35 AM
We now need to "disarm" all carpenters of their tools since many of the tools they use can be as deadly as a firearm. Oh wait, I have yet to see an organization pop up that advocates doing so, however, I fail to see any difference between disarming law-abiding citizens with firearms and carpenters with all of their "deadly weapons"!

"Excuse me sir. Please drop that circular saw at once and you over there with the tack hammer. Put it down or I will have to shoot"! :stupid:

Sh00tFurst
04-23-2010, 6:36 AM
What's this, a news flash or something?

gravedigger
04-23-2010, 6:46 AM
The Brady Bunch operate ENTIRELY on emotion. They have no mental capacity for FACTS. I do not talk to them. I don't even recognize them as human beings.

Hunt
04-23-2010, 8:04 AM
you can't reason with these people, they are idealogically driven. A seriously flawwed philosophy at that, yet very dangerous to our civl liberties. I honestly believe that if they got exactly what they wanted they would move on to new and improved regulations like safety helmets are mandatory in bed.
It's like this "to a hammer all things are a nail", to a Lib Statist, "all things need a regulation for..." they will regulate until their last breath.

Mulay El Raisuli
04-23-2010, 8:43 AM
Sir Mix-A-Lot said it best in one of his songs, "I don't believe in gun control, the theory is proven / Give a criminal a gun and your public is losin'".


That would make me a fan of two of his songs & I cannot lie.


The Raisuli

dfletcher
04-23-2010, 8:57 AM
Notice how the kitty kat gets closer without seeming to move - this is how the gun control folks work, a little bit at a time. I've been watching them do it since the early 60's. Same goal, different methods. You don't eat an elephant in one bite.

And the vid is funny as heck too ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5lhyeINLk

Havoc70
04-23-2010, 9:06 AM
Notice how the kitty kat gets closer without seeming to move - this is how the gun control folks work, a little bit at a time. I've been watching them do it since the early 60's. Same goal, different methods. You don't eat an elephant in one bite.

And the vid is funny as heck too ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx5lhyeINLk

And this one is us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hPxGmTGarM

PIRATE14
04-23-2010, 9:15 AM
Good Morning....an welcome to the real world.....;)

CornFedWB
04-23-2010, 9:25 AM
I don't see things getting much better really. I think "nutnfancy" said it best. What we have now is a "push button" society, people get whatever they want at the push of a button and don't have to work hard for it. The lefties love giving our money to these sheep who make up the majority, and they have gotten an entitlment attitude and look to the government for protection. They stay home glued to their TV's to hear what the next thing they should fear is, and who is the next idol for them to worship. They will vote for whoever gives them the freebies and thats the libs.

PatriotnMore
04-23-2010, 9:40 AM
They believe that no guns = no violence.

I agree. What is interesting was watching a series on cable called Gangland, a couple of days ago, where they profiled an O.C. white supremacy gang called "Public Enemy #1". Once again, the types of predators living in society was hammered home (no pun).

To hear these ex members talk about the level of violence they valued in their members, and that guns were not the weapon of choice, they preferred something more intimate, like the knife, or a bat.

The gun is no more than a tool, take it away, and it will be replaced by another form of weaponry. Personally, I would rather take a bullet before I would be beaten with a bat, or stabbed with a knife.

People have no concept of the violence which can be brought on them in the blink of an eye. The best form of defense for these types is the gun, it is the great equalizer.

yelohamr
04-23-2010, 12:16 PM
A Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS302US302&q=California+assembly+wants+citizens+to+die&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

KylaGWolf
04-23-2010, 1:47 PM
The only way they are going to be able to do so is if we stop fighting them. And well that isn't going to happen. So while they can try we can keep fighting and overturning the laws they already managed to get passed. Its just going to take time one fight at a time.

HunterJim
04-23-2010, 5:14 PM
The anti-gun crowd are true believers in gun control, hence they will not listen to logic or facts.

jim

HondaMasterTech
04-23-2010, 5:39 PM
These people are like many people. Once they have convinced themselves they are right there is nothing in this world that can change their opinion. They will die trying to take away the rights of American citizens because they are ignorant and stubborn.

twotap
04-23-2010, 5:56 PM
They just enjoy promoting crime. And it also makes LE more powerful.
Win -Win in their world

snobord99
04-23-2010, 6:32 PM
In all fairness, they're right. If there are no guns, there will be no gun violence. The problem is the fact that they ignore the fact that there are thousands if not millions of guns in the hands of criminals that will be, at best, impractical or, at worst, impossible to get. Thus, all they end up accomplishing is taking guns from people willing to follow the law.

Not allowing generally law-abiding citizens to own guns may prevent gun-related crimes in theory; however, in reality, that only works in a society that doesn't already have guns floating around. We are certainly not that society.

And no. Taking guns away sure as hell won't stop violence.

Turo
04-23-2010, 7:14 PM
In all fairness, they're right. If there are no guns, there will be no gun violence.

Still wrong. You ever seen what a machinist with a lathe and mill can do?

snobord99
04-23-2010, 7:33 PM
Still wrong. You ever seen what a machinist with a lathe and mill can do?

If a machinist makes a gun, is it not still a gun? ;)

Edit: but I get your point. All I'm saying is that they're not completely wrong when they say getting rid of guns completely will cut down gun violence. If you compare to more developed countries that never allowed guns in the first place, their gun-related crime rate tends to be pretty low (this, of course, says nothing about their knife/bat/stick with nail in it crime rate). Someone will still sneak a gun in once in a while, but if it's that unavailable, gun violence will generally be low. The problem is the fact that it's too late to implement it (and pretty much impossible to do) in this country and the steps they're taking in that direction are only making things worse.

Turo
04-23-2010, 7:40 PM
If a machinist makes a gun, is it not still a gun? ;)

Touché monsieur. Lol

HondaMasterTech
04-23-2010, 10:39 PM
Who cares? Should I not be able to have a gun to protect myself from a 6'7" nut swinging an axe at my family? Or, should I only be allowed an axe, too?

F' that argument.

POLICESTATE
04-23-2010, 10:46 PM
Anti-gunners will always push for more gun control. Stupid is as stupid does.

Too bad they can't keep their stupid to themselves.

Maybe we can push for some stupid control?

http://strang.newtomorrow.org/CGN/thestupiditburns.jpg

BillCA
04-24-2010, 12:44 AM
I don't subscribe to the idea that most anti-gunners are ideologically driven as that implies more cogent thinking than I think most of them are capable of doing.

Many, if not most, of the anti-gun crowd are people who feel they are "victims" or "supporting victims" of "gun violence". That may be the loss of a loved one or even a somewhat distant family member. It could be through a crime, accident or suicide. Heck, they may have been a victim themselves. Thus, their perception is that the incident would not have occurred "if guns didn't exist or were heavily regulated."

IMO, this equates to someone driving a Kia sedan with minimal uninsured motorist insurance who gets sideswiped, runs off the road and wraps the car around a phone pole. Their insurance won't cover their own injuries, much less their passengers. Rather than educate people about insurance or working to improve licensing standards, they create a group to rid the highways of telephone poles by forcing utilities to put power and phone lines underground and requriing them to file special reports of why poles are absolutely needed in certain places before even cutting a tree for the pole.

We can hope that in the next few years, before the balance of SCOTUS changes, that we establish some fundamental boundaries for 2A rights. Application to the states, strict scrutiny, prohibition on prior restraint laws, revokation of Lautenberg as ex-post facto punishment and establishing the 2A right is a "civil right" just as a right to a lawyer or your 5th Amendment rights. That way, when proposed legislation is offered by anti-gun groups, it can be compared to prohibiting blacks from attending a white church or depriving people of the right to speak to an attorney.

Joe
04-24-2010, 12:53 AM
Well apparently we are attempting to "overcompensate" for something, or so I hear.

They've got us figured out. Maybe they'll try a new tactic to get us to give up our guns. We don't need guns if we have.... viagra :)

Snake9
04-24-2010, 1:56 AM
Didn't slow down the Viet-Cong in the early 60's, they made firearms (actually glorified "Zip-Guns", which can kill you just as dead as a well-machined Safari Arms Matchmaster .45) until they could capture something better...

Full employment for the media: Cue somber talking head solemnly reciting about the 'victims' of "gun-violence' with gun graphic behind them with the O/ symbol (preferably an AR or AK for maximum scary-ness)...but never a story about someone defending themselves and/or others by using a firearm: These stories are intentionally "spiked", rewritten or downplayed and that is documented fact (like the school shooting where it was documented that out of the majority of reports, only 2 mentioned the shooter had been captured by armed citizens, not the police)...In short:

You make better copy as a dead victim than a live survivor if you used firearm self-defense...

Meanwhile, in "gun-free" England, it has become acceptable for females in nightclubs to use broken glass to disfugure and blind people they are drunkenly angry with (recently an actress lost an eye to a broken wineglass and a man blinded in both eyes from an attack with a spiked heel shoe). We call that crime "mayhem" here in the USA, Quote:" There are 87,000 deliberate glassings a year in the UK, which is roughly 4,000 more glassings than America has gunshots, both intentional AND accidental". and in the UK perps are not getting significant punishment for this new wave of perverse crime. Try this type of thing in a nightclub/bar here in the US and the perpetrator will be left dead on the dance-floor or in the parking lot before the cops arrive...as it should be...No excuses...

Gun free does not = violence free, it merely encourages more out of control behavior without fear of retaliation, just like in the "bad old days" when mass murders and lynchings were common social events below the Mason-Dixon line by gangs of "citizens" against unarmed defenseless victims....

The anti-gun fools look at the world through rose-colored glasses.....

Rant off...

dadoody
04-24-2010, 1:58 AM
The fight never end. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Keep up the fight.

Tarn_Helm
04-24-2010, 2:25 PM
I just realized that the anti-gunners such as the brady bunch or what have you will continually press for more gun laws no matter what they say. I noticed how they say they aren't anti-gun, just that they want "common sense" gun laws. Since they have no control over what criminals do, they can only disarm law-abiding citizens. They believe that no guns = no violence. However, I can't think of a certain study or case that points to this. With every gun law, they will realize that nothing happened with regards to crime. Instead of looking outside of the box, they will relentlessly believe the only reason crime is still there is due to guns. It appears to me they will create law after law with no effect on crime until they think that NO GUNS AT ALL should do the trick. Thus Britain and crime goes up ever higher and history repeats itself. Scary
GUN CONTROL IS NOT ABOUT GUNS.

IT'S ABOUT CONTROL.

If anyone wants to understand how our piddling little gun control policy debates are related to the realm of international politics and to the most recent election, there is plenty to read (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=321&issue=015).

In a certain sense, our National Rifle Association is actually quite visionary and functioning also like an INTERNATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, which is a very good thing.

We all need to be aware of that.

If we take the time to learn from all the research done by the NRA (and its friends), we will see that the anti-gun stance in current American politics is one very important aspect of a much larger battle unfolding on a grand scale (funded by international anti-gun financiers like George Soros (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=151)): The Statist/Socialist Battle Against American Exceptionalism (http://www.redstate.com/aarongardner/2010/03/29/permanence-change-and-american-exceptionalism/).

If you want to understand how and why England has been virtually disarmed (and America hasn't), Joyce Lee Malcolm is an excellent scholar who has written about the Anglo-American right to bear arms and also about firearms policy in Britain.

Read this CATO Policy Report from March/April 2004, Vol. XXVI No. 2, if you want to see how it happened in the United Kingdom as part of the global, socialist/statist agenda: Self-Defense: An Endangered Right (http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v26n2/cpr-26n2-1.pdf) by Joyce Lee Malcolm, http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v26n2/cpr-26n2-1.pdf

More detail is available here (and she is an excellent writer):
To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo-American Right (http://www.amazon.com/Keep-Bear-Arms-Origins-Anglo-American/dp/0674893077/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_2) and Guns and Violence: The English Experience
(http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Violence-Joyce-Lee-Malcolm/dp/0674016084/ref=pd_sim_b_4)
The "Brady Campaign" and all that other nonsense is only the visible claw on a much longer and larger tentacle that is reaching for everyone's freedom.