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UnklFungus
04-21-2010, 3:30 PM
The bit about the Sheriff: San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said he has issued permits to about 95 percent of those who apply. There are about 1,500 of those permits in the county. sounds like a load of crap to me. Last I heard, they were the same as LA.
If you live in San Diego, you should take him to task on this! Then, report it to the author of this article!!!!

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/21/committee-approves-open-carry-ban/
Committee approves open-carry ban
Court case could affect states’ gun regulations

By Michael Gardner, U-T SACRAMENTO BUREAU

Wednesday, April 21, 2010 at 12:40 a.m.

SACRAMENTO — California lawmakers are pushing ahead with legislation to ban carrying unloaded firearms in public, even as the U.S. Supreme Court weighs a complex case that could eventually override the rights of states to regulate guns.

The Democrat-controlled Assembly Public Safety Committee passed the measure 4-2 on Tuesday, over the objections of onlookers who are part of an “open carry” movement frustrated by what they see as government infringement of their constitutional rights to bear arms.

Carried by Assemblywoman Lori Saldana, D-San Diego, the proposed prohibition has drawn national attention.

Saldana’s measure would not upend current law allowing those with permits to carry concealed weapons, even loaded. San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said he has issued permits to about 95 percent of those who apply. There are about 1,500 of those permits in the county.

In an interview, Gore said the controversy over issuing permits “somehow gets turned into an anti-Second Amendment position.” But, he said, “our responsibility is to enforce the laws of the state.”

Open carry advocates have staged several demonstrations in the San Diego County area, generally notifying law enforcement and cooperating as police respond to inspect the weapons to make sure the chambers are empty.

“In all of the open carry events in California, there has been no violence on either the side of the police or public so what is the real problem?” Tom Laye of San Jose said in a phone interview.

Laye, who is a firearms instructor, said untrained and unlicensed motorists pose more of a threat than gun owners.

That doesn’t sway Elliott Fineman of Chicago, whose son, Michael, was murdered by a homeless construction worker while dining at a Hillcrest neighborhood dessert-cafe in San Diego 3½ years ago. Fineman said the open carry movement must be stopped, or gun laws will someday be erased from the books.

“They literally want people to carry guns anywhere, any place, at all times,” Fineman said.

Both sides are closely watching a Supreme Court case that challenges a Chicago ban on handguns kept in private homes for personal protection.

Justices are expected to issue their decision later this year, but the court earlier ruled that the District of Columbia could not impose similar limits without violating the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

The overriding question for California is whether the court will focus on the narrow issues pertaining to the Chicago case or answer broader questions, particularly whether state governments can enact gun controls.

The ruling very well could supersede Saldana’s legislation, or simply place it under a cloud subject to future legal challenge, both sides agree.

“Hopefully the court will provide more guidance about what the Second Amendment actually means,” said Benjamin Van Houten, staff attorney for the Legal Community Against Violence, an advocacy group promoting Saldana’s Assembly Bill 1934.

Michael Gardner: (916) 445-2934; mike.gardner@uniontrib.com

Legasat
04-21-2010, 3:44 PM
The bit about the Sheriff:
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San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said he has issued permits to about 95 percent of those who apply. There are about 1,500 of those permits in the county.

You're right. That IS a load of crap. There are basically 3 groups of people that can get a CCW in San Diego:

1. Large contributors to the Sheriff's campaign
2. Celebrities and/or friends
3. A few Business owners

With very few exceptions. if you are not one of these, you don't get a CCW

Untamed1972
04-21-2010, 4:35 PM
The question to ask is how many people actually applied?

Percentages can be misleading. To say he issued to 95% of those who applied means if 50ppl applied he issued to 47 of them. With the reality being those 47 who were granted a permit prolly knew before even applying they'd be approved.

The Director
04-21-2010, 5:30 PM
You'll be in that other 5%.

Bill Carson
04-21-2010, 6:24 PM
You're right. That IS a load of crap. There are basically 3 groups of people that can get a CCW in San Diego:

1. Large contributors to the Sheriff's campaign
2. Celebrities and/or friends
3. A few Business owners

With very few exceptions. if you are not one of these, you don't get a CCW

That is the same thing that Mike Carona was doing in orange county.

jazman
04-21-2010, 6:49 PM
You're right. That IS a load of crap. There are basically 3 groups of people that can get a CCW in San Diego:

1. Large contributors to the Sheriff's campaign
2. Celebrities and/or friends
3. A few Business owners

With very few exceptions. if you are not one of these, you don't get a CCW

What was the reason they gave when they turned you down?

GuyW
04-21-2010, 8:44 PM
"San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore said he has issued permits to about 95 percent of those who apply. There are about 1,500 of those permits in the county."

He's a liar - he doesn't even have 95% of the permits that existed BEFORE HE DENIED RENEWALS.

Other than being a lying bag o'..., he's not half bad, well, if you like statist authoritarians with itchy trigger fingers...
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CnCFunFactory
04-21-2010, 11:57 PM
You forgot to count all the DHS guys and gals that apply and get awarded them even though they don't really "need" them, being Fed LEO.

Doheny
04-22-2010, 12:01 AM
That is the same thing that Mike Carona was doing in orange county.

That's not true. I was none of those and I got a CCW from Corona.

You can easily find out how many he has issued by making a public records request. You could also ask the DOJ, but those figures may not be accurate.

Sinixstar
04-22-2010, 12:47 AM
In an interview, Gore said the controversy over issuing permits “somehow gets turned into an anti-Second Amendment position.” But, he said, “our responsibility is to enforce the laws of the state.”

When your laws are in violation of the 2nd amendment, then what exactly do you think the argument is going to be about when you try to enforce them?

GuyW
04-22-2010, 9:09 AM
When your laws are in violation of the 2nd amendment, then what exactly do you think the argument is going to be about when you try to enforce them?

SHOOTING MOTHERS IN THE HEAD??

UnConstitutional orders to shoot armed males on sight?

Taking the 5th Amendment against self-incrimination?

Stonewalling the US Senate?

Thumbing your nose at the law-abiding citizens of Idaho?

Just guesses, you understand...
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limitdown
04-22-2010, 9:44 AM
That's not true. I was none of those and I got a CCW from Corona.

You can easily find out how many he has issued by making a public records request. You could also ask the DOJ, but those figures may not be accurate.

If you don't mind sharing, what was the "reason" that you stated for the application?

Bill Carson
04-22-2010, 5:20 PM
That's not true. I was none of those and I got a CCW from Corona.

You can easily find out how many he has issued by making a public records request. You could also ask the DOJ, but those figures may not be accurate.

http://current.com/entertainment/wtf/89426845_sheriff-begins-taking-away-concealed-weapons-permits.htm