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boxbro
04-21-2010, 9:20 AM
This woman is absolutely insane.
Pay special attention at 1:55 minutes in.
She also talks about guns and open carry towards the end.

_nNNHKyn_mI

Table Rock Arms
04-21-2010, 11:03 AM
She's to open minded for California.

djleisure
04-21-2010, 11:10 AM
I tried to embed this but couldn't figure out how.

For future reference - just put the last few letters (in this case "_nNNHKyn_mI") between the YouTube tag.

boxbro
04-21-2010, 12:00 PM
For future reference - just put the last few letters (in this case "_nNNHKyn_mI") between the YouTube tag.

Thanks

beerup949
04-21-2010, 12:50 PM
U go girl!

Fate
04-21-2010, 12:50 PM
I don't have a lot against her words, but I couldn't help but notice she has "crazy eyes."

Reminds me of an ex who turned stalker. Crazy eyes. ::shudder::

BluNorthern
04-21-2010, 1:08 PM
Hmmm...ok then.

hawk84
04-21-2010, 4:45 PM
how long are people going to cling to this false reality that Obama wasn't born here?

Flopper
04-21-2010, 4:48 PM
He has a "Certificate of Live Birth."

There is a difference between that and a "Birth Certificate."

But let's not split hairs :rolleyes:

-hanko
04-21-2010, 4:49 PM
I hope she (and/or her campaigners) don't return;)

-hankko

CaliColin
04-21-2010, 5:31 PM
Too emotionally unstable and spastic to have a snowball's chance.

ChuckBooty
04-21-2010, 5:41 PM
She's an *******. She came here a while back begging for votes. I asked her a simple question (what are you going to do to ensure that you're included in the future gubernatorial debates?) and she gave me some garbled double-speak and asked me to email her campaign. Whatever.

And on the Obama birth-certificate thing. Bill O'reilly and his staff dug up two Hawaii newspapers that ran a blurb the day he was born. So unless Obama is so socialist that he can travel through time and bribe two newspapers to run a blurb about him being born in Hawaii...well....

But on a side note. Arizona (proud to say it's my home state!) just passed legislation that will require Obama (and the other candidates) to provide his original birth certificate in order to be listed on the Arizona ballots in 2012. So that may get interesting.

Glock22Fan
04-21-2010, 5:43 PM
Well, she's better looking than Meg Whitman OR Jerry Brown. . . .

MrEd
04-21-2010, 5:49 PM
I too have a cirtificate of life birth , are you saying I was not born here ?

Tacom
04-21-2010, 5:56 PM
I was distracted by her huge teeth and the dumb faces she makes.

Ron-Solo
04-21-2010, 5:56 PM
He has a "Certificate of Live Birth."

There is a difference between that and a "Birth Certificate."

But let's not split hairs :rolleyes:

Dude, most states, including California, issue a "Certificate of Live Birth" and there is no difference between the two.

hawk84
04-21-2010, 6:00 PM
He has a "Certificate of Live Birth."

There is a difference between that and a "Birth Certificate."

But let's not split hairs :rolleyes:
no- there isn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate

Birth certificates in the United States

In the U.S., the keeping of vital statistics is a state function, because it is not a power assigned by the Constitution to the federal government. Yet, the federal government is extremely dependent upon this state function because the Fourteenth Amendment expressly grounds American citizenship upon birth in the United States (a jus soli system of citizenship).[15]

The federal and state governments have traditionally cooperated to some extent to improve vital statistics. From 1900 to 1946 the U.S. Census Bureau designed standard birth certificates, collected vital statistics on a national basis, and generally sought to improve the accuracy of vital statistics. In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in "registers", the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states this document is entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth".

anyone espousing nonsense that he isn't a naturalized citizen is only broadcasting their willful ignorance on the subject


but hey.....why let facts cloud an opinion

OlderThanDirt
04-21-2010, 6:13 PM
Chelene Nightingale should post her birth certificate, as well as some nude photos so that we can confirm her citizenship and sex.

BKinzey
04-21-2010, 6:18 PM
He has a "Certificate of Live Birth."

There is a difference between that and a "Birth Certificate."

But let's not split hairs :rolleyes:

And neither one is required to be President, if you want to split hairs:rolleyes:

It was a legit question when it came up but since there is more information readily available to show he was born in Hawaii than the previous Presidents in their respective places of birth it's kinda over and done with now.:rolleyes:

jeffm223
04-21-2010, 6:31 PM
There are so many good reasons to object to Obama's presidency, there's really no point in worrying about the wingnutty ones.

RomanDad
04-21-2010, 6:51 PM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/MovieLawyer/mixtures-nuts-deluxe-rs.jpg

hawk84
04-21-2010, 7:05 PM
There are so many good reasons to object to Obama's presidency, there's really no point in worrying about the wingnutty ones.


BINGO- this is what i try and tell people------there are PLENTY of reasons not to like him........you dont need to make stuff up----all it does is discredit you

Fot
04-21-2010, 8:19 PM
woozers.. and I thought she was bit unhinged on here..

Trendkill
04-21-2010, 11:07 PM
Wow....she's weird as hell.



See kids......this is why LSD is reeeeaaaalll bad for ya...

bandook
04-21-2010, 11:43 PM
no- there isn't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate



anyone espousing nonsense that he isn't a naturalized citizen is only broadcasting their willful ignorance on the subject


but hey.....why let facts cloud an opinion

I agree with you but jut to pick nits: 'Naturalized' is different from natural born. Obama is Natural Born. People from other countries who apply and are approved for citizenship are 'Naturalized'.

I'm amazed to hear that there are so many people who believe this junk about him being born in Indonesia/Kenya/wherever and then being smuggled into the US. Really??? Smuggled??? Have these people even tried to imagine the logistics of smuggling a baby into Hawaii of all places (not the most accessible state) and then going about purging birth records in the other country and then creating birth records in Hawaii...
(But I may be trying to reason with the unreasonable...)

Flopper
04-22-2010, 10:56 AM
Dude, most states, including California, issue a "Certificate of Live Birth" and there is no difference between the two.

Oops, you are correct, I got a word wrong.

He has a "Certification of Live Birth," not a "Certificate of Live Birth," and those two ARE different.

A Certification of Live Birth is not considered evidence of being born in Hawaii, and further research and documentation is needed in order to prove said person was born in Hawaii.

Even if he did come up with enough documentation to prove natural-born US citizenship, there are still many other problems which would lead to him being ineligible.

I'm guessin' you guys also "believe" there was only one shooter in the Kennedy Assassination, too.

nat
04-22-2010, 11:36 AM
"I heard they are building prison camps already."

lol........she is psycho and not very bright.

vantec08
04-22-2010, 11:46 AM
It is interesting that Kenya claims him as a "favorite son" and a sign in Sudan, at the Kenya border, says WELCOME TO KENYA, BIRTHPLACE OF BARAK OBAMA. His student loans are questionable, because at that time, there were "deals" for foreign students. By his own admission, he traveled to Pakistan in 1980 and the USA was not issuing passports to go to that country as it was on the ban list. Therefore, he claimed ANOTHER COUNTRY to qualify for a passport.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/welcome_to_kenya_sign.htm

GSequoia
04-22-2010, 12:09 PM
It is interesting that Kenya claims him as a "favorite son" and a sign in Sudan, at the Kenya border, says WELCOME TO KENYA, BIRTHPLACE OF BARAK OBAMA. His student loans are questionable, because at that time, there were "deals" for foreign students. By his own admission, he traveled to Pakistan in 1980 and the USA was not issuing passports to go to that country as it was on the ban list. Therefore, he claimed ANOTHER COUNTRY to qualify for a passport.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/welcome_to_kenya_sign.htm

Um, what?

Your own link shows the sign as fake. It's not real, it's fake. It's photoshop. It odesn't exist. Nope. Not real. Sorry.

As for the Pakistan passport issue that's simply not true, the US doesn't do that.

dfletcher
04-22-2010, 2:56 PM
It is interesting that Kenya claims him as a "favorite son" and a sign in Sudan, at the Kenya border, says WELCOME TO KENYA, BIRTHPLACE OF BARAK OBAMA. His student loans are questionable, because at that time, there were "deals" for foreign students. By his own admission, he traveled to Pakistan in 1980 and the USA was not issuing passports to go to that country as it was on the ban list. Therefore, he claimed ANOTHER COUNTRY to qualify for a passport.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/welcome_to_kenya_sign.htm

My Father went to Germany and later Ireland with the President in 1963, there were many references to Ireland as his "home" or Ireland's "favorite son" and I've yet to hear anyone say that particular President wasn't born in the US. For purposes of where this President may have been born I think signs and "favorite son" signs (real or otherwise) are perfectly meaningless.

bandook
04-22-2010, 3:06 PM
...USA was not issuing passports to go to that country as it was on the ban list. Therefore, he claimed ANOTHER COUNTRY to qualify for a passport.



Sigh! Weren't we best pals with Pakistan in the 1970s-80s? (Common cause against the commies in Afghanistan etc.).

I'm sure there was a travel warning to Pakistan with the Soviets across the border in Afghanistan, but the US being a free country (OK, mostly free) and all, usually doesn't go around banning travel for its citizens without a very good reason (Cuba does stand out as an anomaly though)

Also, if Obama had traveled all over the world already, he didn't need to 'qualify' for a passport. Also, I don't remember seeing any 'countries to visit' required section on the passport application/renewal form - so this 'falsified application' is all bunk. Prior to about 2008, there were no direct commercial flights between the US and Pakistan, so anyone wanting to go there would have had to transit through another country.

Tacom
04-22-2010, 3:13 PM
It is interesting that Kenya claims him as a "favorite son" and a sign in Sudan, at the Kenya border, says WELCOME TO KENYA, BIRTHPLACE OF BARAK OBAMA.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/welcome_to_kenya_sign.htm

Lol oh man this is too good. Your own link proving you wrong.

Glock22Fan
04-22-2010, 3:58 PM
Is it or is it not true that he has reportedly spent over two million in legal fees etc. trying (successfully) to hide the "real" original birth certificate from Hawaii and all his student records at two of our universities?

I have no idea where he was born, but if he has spent this money, I'd like to know what he is covering up. Fraudulently claiming overseas student benefits perhaps?

I don't know what, if anything, is there, but why is he hiding this stuff? Or is that tin hat fiction as well?

vantec08
04-22-2010, 4:05 PM
It has been all over the news lately, about the Kenyan National Assembly naming him a favorite son, with talk of repatriation and dual citizenship status. Sorry - - - this cant be explained, obfuscated, or spun away.

Glock22Fan
04-22-2010, 4:14 PM
It has been all over the news lately, about the Kenyan National Assembly naming him a favorite son, with talk of repatriation and dual citizenship status. Sorry - - - this cant be explained, obfuscated, or spun away.

Dual citizenship isn't really a problem. I have that and it is perfectly legal in both the countries I have passports for (UK and USA).

GSequoia
04-22-2010, 4:19 PM
It has been all over the news lately, about the Kenyan National Assembly naming him a favorite son, with talk of repatriation and dual citizenship status. Sorry - - - this cant be explained, obfuscated, or spun away.

So they want to give him citizenship to honor his accomplishments?


Wow.


I guess that's because he doesn't already have it since he was, you know, born in the United States.

BluNorthern
04-22-2010, 4:36 PM
As far as I'm concerned, if there was indeed some kind of issue with Obama's citizenship or birth records or anything along those lines that would have disqualified him from the Presidency I would think that the brains in the Republican Party would have uncovered something concrete before the electoral process ran its course. Look what they were able to do with Kerry and his Vietnam war record.

Midian
04-22-2010, 4:58 PM
She'd get eaten alive in Sacramento

AyatollahGondola
04-22-2010, 6:03 PM
Chelene Nightingale should post her birth certificate, as well as some nude photos so that we can confirm her citizenship and sex.

For what it's worth, I have no interest in seeing anything in the way of nude photos of Chelene. What does show is way more than I want to see now. But I have been requesting that she show her certificates lately. For all of her rantings about Obama that she kept dragging us through during her mismanagement of Save Our State, it seems she is living in a huge glass house herself. Go down the list of her accomplishments/resume/, and lets see the proof she was a manager of a 501C3...should be something in writing from the board of directors or a recent pay stub...something like that. The vice presidency of a distribution company...Vice pres should be on some corporate record somewhere, eh? I've been searching and finding trumped or falsified claims only. No proof; no certificates.
I'm certain she's a citizen; I'm just as certain she's as big a liar as Obama

BKinzey
04-22-2010, 7:52 PM
Is it or is it not true that he has reportedly spent over two million in legal fees etc. trying (successfully) to hide the "real" original birth certificate from Hawaii and all his student records at two of our universities?...

Where do you get the figure of 2 million?

How did someone find it? Did they look through billing records and add up those amounts charged "for hiding birth certificates and student records?":rolleyes: Let's say they hid it under the name "Project Overseas" Who figured it out and how? Where is the documentation for these allegations?

There is the state rep in charge of those records who confirms he was born in Hawaii and 2 newspapers announced it at the time. If you don't believe them what's to stop the claim of forgery if a "birth certificate" is produced?

Sgt Raven
04-22-2010, 8:52 PM
Is it or is it not true that he has reportedly spent over two million in legal fees etc. trying (successfully) to hide the "real" original birth certificate from Hawaii and all his student records at two of our universities?

I have no idea where he was born, but if he has spent this money, I'd like to know what he is covering up. Fraudulently claiming overseas student benefits perhaps?

I don't know what, if anything, is there, but why is he hiding this stuff? Or is that tin hat fiction as well?

That's my ? too, why spend all this money if there's nothing there. :TFH:

dfletcher
04-22-2010, 11:10 PM
It has been all over the news lately, about the Kenyan National Assembly naming him a favorite son, with talk of repatriation and dual citizenship status. Sorry - - - this cant be explained, obfuscated, or spun away.

The Kenyan National Assembly? I was until now happily unaware of the genealogical expertise of that august group of gentlemen. The matter is obviously settled. ;)

Flopper
04-22-2010, 11:29 PM
Where do you get the figure of 2 million?

How did someone find it?

The amount of money spent is irrelevant.

You're grasping at straws; the fact that he has spent money preventing the release of this info is not in dispute.

I don't care if he spent $1 or $54 trillion; why did he feel the need to spend ANY money for this?

turbosbox
04-23-2010, 12:06 AM
Is it or is it not true that he has reportedly spent over two million in legal fees etc. trying (successfully) to hide the "real" original birth certificate from Hawaii and all his student records at two of our universities?

I have no idea where he was born, but if he has spent this money, I'd like to know what he is covering up. Fraudulently claiming overseas student benefits perhaps?

I don't know what, if anything, is there, but why is he hiding this stuff? Or is that tin hat fiction as well?

The Hawaii birth certificate is the one issued after it is applied for. It is like getting a marriage license at the department of health or something after the ceremony. People are questioning the birth part, since there has been so much confusion, even which hospital he was born at? What documents were provided to acquire the birth certificate? Doctors names, hospital, parents, time of birth etc. Those type records are being hidden by the Democrats in charge of Hawaii. If you believe or don't that there is a question where he was born, why is there such secrecy on his actual birth records?

Don't really care if someone says "birther" TFH and all that. My kids were born in Hawaii. I've seen the certificates the state issues, looks just like the one circulating. But I don't understand why someone would leave reasonable doubt still. Well, that is if they could remove it by providing said documents? BTW, I believe any newspaper info would be based off the issuance of the green state document, not hospital records so that wouldn't really "prove" anything either.

Edit:
E.g. the part in bold below:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html
Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.

Certified copies of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may be requested following the procedures for certified copies of standard birth certificates (see Certified Copies). The eligibility requirements for issuance of a certified copy of a standard birth certificate apply to Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. And the same fees charged for standard birth certificates are charged for Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. Copies of the set of testimony used to establish a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may also be requested, and an additional fee is charged for each copy of the set of testimony.

cbn620
04-23-2010, 12:26 AM
She's talking about being anti-martial law and against a strong tyrannical federal government but she wants the feds to authorize the National Guard to surround our country's borders. I understand why illegal immigration scares the pants off people, but her solution is not unlike using a thermonuclear device to clean up a glass of spilled milk. When the interviewing journalist asked her if she was aware the National Guard is federalized, everything of which she just got done rebuking, she punted and started rambling about Obama's citizenship which has been proven time and time again.

People like her demean the subject matter. Her saying this stuff invalidates a lot of the arguments I agree with in the eyes of the general public all because she couldn't stop herself from puking in the punch bowl. Her ideas are so myopic and misguided.

steadyrock
04-23-2010, 12:54 AM
She'd get eaten alive in Sacramento

Exactly. She couldn't even control her own campaign manager last time those kooks showed up here. She is a total disaster, and a complete waste of time.

And honestly, I kind of think that reporter was just leading her on. As in, they just listened to the last broadcast of Coast to Coast and were repeating the talking points to keep her looking ridiculous.

"And did you hear that the Government has a secret army of ghosts that invade your dreams at night? And did you hear about the space squirrels?"

HokeySon
04-23-2010, 10:09 AM
As far as I'm concerned, if there was indeed some kind of issue with Obama's citizenship or birth records or anything along those lines that would have disqualified him from the Presidency I would think that the brains in the Republican Party would have uncovered something concrete before the electoral process ran its course. Look what they were able to do with Kerry and his Vietnam war record.

No, the repubs are in on the conspiracy too!!! They Wanted to lose the election, so that they can let Obama further the one world government agenda utilizing the secret world bank in Europe. Then, the Repubs will swope in to take control because the those in control are actually Masons and members of the Skull & Bones society and Repubs. All is going to plan!!!:TFH:

turbosbox
04-23-2010, 10:35 AM
No, the repubs are in on the conspiracy too!!! They Wanted to lose the election, so that they can let Obama further the one world government agenda utilizing the secret world bank in Europe. Then, the Repubs will swope in to take control because the those in control are actually Masons and members of the Skull & Bones society and Repubs. All is going to plan!!!:TFH:

Well, if you are going to dismiss anyone with questions as crazy, simply let us know what hospital he was born in and what document you get that from?
That is a basic question, so answer it. I would say if you can't answer it, you are the one who lacks intelligence.

BKinzey
04-23-2010, 10:38 AM
The amount of money spent is irrelevant.

You're grasping at straws; the fact that he has spent money preventing the release of this info is not in dispute.

I don't care if he spent $1 or $54 trillion; why did he feel the need to spend ANY money for this?

It's a good thing the amount is irrelevant. I just read this morning where an AZ politician was claiming it was a million dollars. Let's don't let inconsistency get in the way:rolleyes:

Yes, that money has been spent is in dispute. As I asked before I've heard the allegations, where is the documentation?

BKinzey
04-23-2010, 10:51 AM
Well, if you are going to dismiss anyone with questions as crazy, simply let us know what hospital he was born in and what document you get that from?
That is a basic question, so answer it. I would say if you can't answer it, you are the one who lacks intelligence.

You are the one making the allegation, so it is you who needs to support that allegation.

His birth is recorded in 2 newspapers and is supported by the state official in charge of those records. Why is it not reasonable to believe them? Give a reasonable reason for why they are making false statements.

turbosbox
04-23-2010, 11:13 AM
You are the one making the allegation, so it is you who needs to support that allegation.

His birth is recorded in 2 newspapers and is supported by the state official in charge of those records. Why is it not reasonable to believe them? Give a reasonable reason for why they are making false statements.

No, you also can join in to answer the simple question. I made no allegation, do you also have a comprehension problem? I had a question, where was he born and where is the long form to document that? What is your answer?

Here is a website that helps define the confusion with the difference in forms towards the bottom of the page for those who don't grasp what is at question.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103633

Here is an actual Hawaii birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama's birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form "Certification of Live Birth" offered by President Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:

If you are also so certain of something, show us the proof. And just because someone asks for some proof doesn't mean they are believers of bilderberg and every conspiracy etc like hokeyson and you insinuate.
So to you also, what hospital? I don't care what you believe based on what others told you. Please answer the question.
Edit: Do neither of you know what hospital you were born in so that is why it is such an unreasonable question to have? It would be tempting to add to that if you know who your fathers are but I won't go there.

Glock22Fan
04-23-2010, 11:23 AM
Forget the X million dollars etc. Forget the two different birth certificate forms, forget his grandmother claiming she was at his birth in Kenya.

Why has he put a legal injunction of some sort on both the Hawaii authorities and two universities to hide documentation that clearly exists and which, if he is correct, exonerate his claims?

I have no idea where he was born. Maybe it was Hawaii. But, he gives the appearance of hiding something, and I'd like to know what that was.

turbosbox
04-23-2010, 11:51 AM
Forget the X million dollars etc. Forget the two different birth certificate forms, forget his grandmother claiming she was at his birth in Kenya.

Why has he put a legal injunction of some sort on both the Hawaii authorities and two universities to hide documentation that clearly exists and which, if he is correct, exonerate his claims?

I have no idea where he was born. Maybe it was Hawaii. But, he gives the appearance of hiding something, and I'd like to know what that was.

Exactly, and the requirements to be president are
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

We have no requirement to prove he is not, that is backwards, it should be his requirement to document that he is.
E.g. when you go to get your drivers license or pick up a gun, do you simply tell them, "prove I AM NOT over 21yrs old and this is my address?". "Why do you claim I am not".
It is all record keeping requirements. Same thing, fine with me if the long certificate exists, it should be disclosed. Doesn't matter why a citizen would want to see it, maybe they think he might not be over 35yrs old. They shouldn't have to sue to have it disclosed. I can't understand why the only two qualifications to be president were not certified before he took office?

turbosbox
04-23-2010, 11:59 AM
This woman is absolutely insane.
Pay special attention at 1:55 minutes in.
She also talks about guns and open carry towards the end.

_nNNHKyn_mI
Well, It is interesting to see her present her views!
At least she appears pro gun. The glass is half full?

BKinzey
04-23-2010, 12:37 PM
No, you also can join in to answer the simple question. I made no allegation, do you also have a comprehension problem? I had a question, where was he born and where is the long form to document that? What is your answer?

Here is a website that helps define the confusion with the difference in forms towards the bottom of the page for those who don't grasp what is at question.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103633



If you are also so certain of something, show us the proof. And just because someone asks for some proof doesn't mean they are believers of bilderberg and every conspiracy etc like hokeyson and you insinuate.
So to you also, what hospital? I don't care what you believe based on what others told you. Please answer the question.
Edit: Do neither of you know what hospital you were born in so that is why it is such an unreasonable question to have? It would be tempting to add to that if you know who your fathers are but I won't go there.

OK

He was born in Hawaii and I don't know where the forms are.

Now answer my question. What evidence do you have that the 2 newspapers and the state official are wrong or lying?

KylaGWolf
04-23-2010, 1:53 PM
She's an *******. She came here a while back begging for votes. I asked her a simple question (what are you going to do to ensure that you're included in the future gubernatorial debates?) and she gave me some garbled double-speak and asked me to email her campaign. Whatever.

And on the Obama birth-certificate thing. Bill O'reilly and his staff dug up two Hawaii newspapers that ran a blurb the day he was born. So unless Obama is so socialist that he can travel through time and bribe two newspapers to run a blurb about him being born in Hawaii...well....

But on a side note. Arizona (proud to say it's my home state!) just passed legislation that will require Obama (and the other candidates) to provide his original birth certificate in order to be listed on the Arizona ballots in 2012. So that may get interesting.

Well my daughter was born in England but had a California and Texas birth announcements in papers. Its not that hard to do all it takes is a relative to do it.

As to Ms. Nightingale she looks like she is about to go loony any second on that video. There are other reasons I don't like her and wouldn't vote for her but that is beside the point.

OlderThanDirt
04-23-2010, 3:49 PM
For what it's worth, I have no interest in seeing anything in the way of nude photos of Chelene. What does show is way more than I want to see now. But I have been requesting that she show her certificates lately. For all of her rantings about Obama that she kept dragging us through during her mismanagement of Save Our State, it seems she is living in a huge glass house herself. Go down the list of her accomplishments/resume/, and lets see the proof she was a manager of a 501C3...should be something in writing from the board of directors or a recent pay stub...something like that. The vice presidency of a distribution company...Vice pres should be on some corporate record somewhere, eh? I've been searching and finding trumped or falsified claims only. No proof; no certificates.
I'm certain she's a citizen; I'm just as certain she's as big a liar as Obama

Are you still pissed about her attack on you and kicking you out of SOS? I hope all is well in Sacramento and you are still out and about with that sign trailer. The "woman" is certifiably nuts.

ripcurlksm
04-23-2010, 4:08 PM
Just watching her talk is scary

AyatollahGondola
04-23-2010, 7:08 PM
Are you still pissed about her attack on you and kicking you out of SOS? I hope all is well in Sacramento and you are still out and about with that sign trailer. The "woman" is certifiably nuts.

I am more pissed that she tried to destroy the whole organization to help silence all the people who were regurgitating her personal agenda and bizarre antics. She didn't keep me out of SOS very long though.
the trailer has been in drydock for paint and such and is gearing up for the season now. Would you like to go for a finger and thumb ride?:)

OlderThanDirt
04-23-2010, 8:33 PM
I am more pissed that she tried to destroy the whole organization to help silence all the people who were regurgitating her personal agenda and bizarre antics. She didn't keep me out of SOS very long though.
the trailer has been in drydock for paint and such and is gearing up for the season now. Would you like to go for a finger and thumb ride?:)

I'll be in Sacramento on July 19th. If I can get there sooner, I'll let you know. I'm doing a lot of work for a couple of state agencies, but travel is very restricted right now (gosh, some people realize they don't have any money).