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trashman
04-20-2010, 4:23 PM
Forwarded sans commentary...

--Neill

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_14921786

SACRAMENTO Siding with law enforcement authorities, California lawmakers today advanced legislation that would make it illegal to openly carry a gun in public, even if it's unloaded.

The bill cleared its first committee after an emotional debate that pitted public safety concerns against Second Amendment rights cited by gun owners.

"I think it puts all of us at such great risk," said Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, one of four Democrats who voted for the ban.
Two Republicans on the Assembly Public Safety Committee voted against the bill, which now goes to the appropriations panel.

Current California law allows gun owners to carry a rifle or handgun in a holster in public if it is unloaded.

The bill's author, Assemblywoman Lori Saldana, D-San Diego, said unloaded guns pose a threat, in part because gun owners are allowed to carry ammunition and could load their weapon within seconds.

To emphasize her point, she wore a bulletproof vest while testifying before the committee.

truthseeker
04-20-2010, 5:55 PM
What pisses me off about gun laws/restrictions is the way the system works in California (for the ANTI-gun crowd).

The ANTI's create a horrible bill that goes into effect almost immediately and then we have to wait years fighting it in court to prove it as unconstitutional!

Shotgun Man
04-20-2010, 6:03 PM
Where did she get the "bullet-proof" vest? Did my tax dollars go for that?

N6ATF
04-21-2010, 10:52 AM
Fixed:

SACRAMENTO — Siding with criminal safety proponents, California lawmakers today advanced legislation that would make it illegal to openly carry a gun in public, even if it's unloaded.

The bill cleared its first committee after an emotional, and fact-bereft debate that pitted criminal safety concerns against Second Amendment rights cited by gun owners.

"I think it puts all of us criminals at such great risk," said Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, one of four Democrats who voted for the ban.
Two Republicans on the Assembly Public Safety Committee voted against the bill, which now goes to the appropriations panel.

Current California law allows gun owners to carry a rifle or handgun in a holster in public if it is unloaded.

The bill's author, Assemblywoman Lori Saldana, D-San Diego, said unloaded guns pose a threat to criminals, in part because gun owners are allowed to carry ammunition and could load their weapon within seconds.

To emphasize her point, she wore a bulletproof vest while perjuring and committing treason before the committee.

The Director
04-21-2010, 11:08 AM
I hate these people, and wish they'd contract leprosy or ebola.

wildhawker
04-21-2010, 11:12 AM
I hate these people, and wish they'd contract leprosy or ebola.

I can't imagine why the general public of California think "gun people" are whackjobs and support/are ambivalent to legislative infringements.

N6ATF
04-21-2010, 11:31 AM
No need for acts of god, just acts of humans (like actually enforcing the laws prohibiting treason and civil rights violations).

The Director
04-21-2010, 11:49 AM
I can't imagine why the general public of California think "gun people" are whackjobs and support/are ambivalent to legislative infringements.

I can't imagine why our elected officials need to wear bulletproof vests inside the capitol building. Seems pretty "wacky" to me.

Nodda Duma
04-21-2010, 11:59 AM
I can't imagine why the general public of California think "gun people" are whackjobs and support/are ambivalent to legislative infringements.


Perhaps it's because "gun people" in California do not present a united front, regardless of how often we preach how important it is to do so. People on both sides of the underlying issue have lost sight of the forest for the trees, and have fallen into the trap of thinking their way is The Right Way.

-Jason

Big Jake
04-21-2010, 12:14 PM
Where did she get the "bullet-proof" vest? Did my tax dollars go for that?

And how does wearing the bullet proof vest emphasize her point? It really just makes her look stupid! :confused:

windrider
04-21-2010, 12:29 PM
"If you're carrying a gun and a magazine next to it, if you make a sudden movement, we don't know if the gun is loaded or unloaded,"

this is coming from a Lt., in that situation i would say you would know it got loaded from the fact of the person inserting the magazine and racking a round, why a leo wouldnt take the weapon while they were dealing with the situation or to turn their back to a suspect with a gun so they can load it is beyond me. How did this person get to lt., darwin had it wrong.

Josh3239
04-21-2010, 12:36 PM
I am still trying to figure out how an unloaded, open carrier, hostered handgun is a "great risk". :confused:

N6ATF
04-21-2010, 12:54 PM
And how does wearing the bullet proof vest emphasize her point? It really just makes her look stupid! :confused:

It makes her look like a criminal, because the only people armed in the government buildings are police, so she's afraid of being shot by the police while she commits her treason and civil rights violations. Only logical conclusion.

BluNorthern
04-21-2010, 1:07 PM
Saldana is obviously nuts, Ammiano is way nuts, and I won't bother commenting on the people that voted them into office.

yelohamr
04-21-2010, 1:36 PM
I can't imagine why our elected officials need to wear bulletproof vests inside the capitol building. Seems pretty "wacky" to me.

A foil hat would complete their wardrobe.

POLICESTATE
04-21-2010, 1:50 PM
I can't imagine why the general public of California think "gun people" are whackjobs and support/are ambivalent to legislative infringements.

Yeah it is strange, but if people knew more about recent world history they would understand the biggest whack-jobs are gun grabbers like Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

I blame our education system.

Untamed1972
04-21-2010, 2:00 PM
"Siding with law enforcement authorities"

And then some here wonder why it is difficult for many of us to not see LE as our enemies?


I'm sure there were many German soldiers who were "good people" too....but when they put on the uniform and followed the orders that made them the enemy regardless of their personal beliefs. I find it harder and harder everyday to look at LE in this state as defenders/protectors of liberty.

When I start seeing public comments and support for freedom and liberty from CA LE like I see from other states then perhaps my perceptions will start to change. I'm sure many german soldiers quietly expressed discontent/disagreement with their leadership......but as long as they still carried out the orders.....well....you get my point.

POLICESTATE
04-21-2010, 2:52 PM
It makes her look like a criminal, because the only people armed in the government buildings are police, so she's afraid of being shot by the police while she commits her treason and civil rights violations. Only logical conclusion.

I think this is what used to be referring to as "Political Grandstanding"

Maybe someone should tell these nuts up in Sacramento that an armed society is a polite society, but then they are rude people after all, can't imagine something like an armed society would be safe for them anyway.

socalblue
04-21-2010, 3:19 PM
It all goes to the liberal/socialist governing strategy: make society totally beholden & dependent on the government so they don't dare vote them out. Get rid of the guns so when society finally wakes up it's too late.

SixPointEight
04-21-2010, 3:30 PM
I hate these people, and wish they'd contract leprosy or ebola.

I wouldn't say that personally. However, if we become shall issue, I shall respect their irrational fear of guns, and if I'm carrying, and happen to see them getting robbed or kidnapped, I will keep walking. Wouldn't want to scare them anymore than they already would be. :43:

N6ATF
04-21-2010, 3:46 PM
I think this is what used to be referring to as "Political Grandstanding"

Maybe someone should tell these nuts up in Sacramento that an armed society is a polite society, but then they are rude people after all, can't imagine something like an armed society would be safe for them anyway.

Note, I said LOGICAL.

Not bat caca insane.

Untamed1972
04-21-2010, 3:47 PM
For the gentlemen who maybe perceives Law Enforcement as a potential enemy in the future, I would better say it like this in the form of a question.

When is Law Enforcement gonna start refusing to enforce unconditional laws?

For those that don't really understand the 2nd Amendment, I would have them really look and understand the the word "INFRINGED."


Did I say I perceived them as a future enemy? No....I said I see them as the enemy NOW!

One of the main reasons I never considered UOCing and given other legal means to carry in this state I would choose CCW is to avoid unwanted LE contact....since it is bred into LE in the police academy in CA that someone with a gun is automatically a criminal until proven otherwise, and look for every opportunity to confiscate the gun. So it's not wonder LE act the way they do right up to the top brass. It's what they are taught and the policy they operate on. Certain parts of constituional law are covered in the academy.....the 2A is NOT one of them.

They are quickly becoming nothing more then the strongarm goons of the socialist parties in control of this state. Like I said.....I'm sure as individual people many LEOs are otherwise good people.....but when you put on the uniform and follow the orders to oppress the people who pay your salary....then I see no seperation between you and them.

Chester
04-21-2010, 4:49 PM
Regarding this open carry law, and as an only recent gun owner, I find myself in some sort of weird twilight zone.

If you were to ask me a year ago, or even several months ago, I would have said that allowing lawful citizens to carry firearms was an absurd idea and just looking for trouble. At the same time, I would have said that limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds was a great idea. As a matter of fact, back when I was just out of high school and had only recently solved world peace like every teenager does, I was of the opinion that all handguns should be illegal.

It's a reaction based entirely on fear and ignorance. I had never owned an AR-15 at the time to realize how asinine replacing the mag drop with a bullet button is even though I would have totally supported it, for no other reason than it sounded like a good idea. Same with mag capacity. It sounds like a wonderful, proactive, crime-preventative measure. But then I recently bought a Glock 22 and can't for the life of me figure out what the point of being limited to 10 bullets is when I'm only really limited to how many full mags I can carry.

And then, something I only recently realized only because I became a gun owner. It seems to me that any lawful owner would be less likely to commit a gun crime, or any other felony for that matter, or even do anything warranting a restraining order, for no other reason than we wouldn't want to put ourselves in a position to have to surrender our firearms.

I've ALREADY started calming down with my reactions to people that piss me off because I can't help but think, "Man, if I beat the crap out of this guy for cutting me off, that's going to be an assault of some kind, and guess what happens to my guns then?"
Similarly, I've actually started wondering if all the polite people I meet are packing.

Finally, what I thought was just another talking point, but turns out to be pretty damn valid... someone out to commit a premeditated gun crime isn't going to be stopped by the 30 seconds it takes to make theirs a detachable 30 round magazine, so why punish all of us who fully intend to continue living felony-free lives?

I just wanted to share my thoughts on this as I'm pretty liberal on a lot of things and think I understand where these people are coming from with anti-gun laws. I don't think they're right by any means, but I understand.

I understand a LOT more now that I'm a lawful gun owner though.