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jojo760
02-22-2006, 5:04 PM
I was just wondering what type of ammo you guys will be putting through your new California Legal AR builds. I read the ammo oracle over at ar15.com. I was thinking of staying between 60gr and 75gr loads? Any suggestions?

sszeto
02-22-2006, 5:06 PM
I'll probably using Wolf 55gr for the time being. Got like 500 rnds sitting in my garage since 04. Def. get some better from Ammoman after I burn it all up.

glen avon
02-22-2006, 5:12 PM
Criminy, just use what the military and the rest of the world uses, 55 gr or 62 gr, preferably M193 or M855.

leave the swoopy stuff for the mall ninjas.

ocabj
02-22-2006, 5:28 PM
I've used 55 and 62 gr exclusively in my 1 in 7" Colts. I just recently acquired a 500 ct box of 77gr Sierra Match Kings to play around with in my MK12 Mod 1 themed SPR.

I may try the Nosler 77s since Ammo Oracle claims better fragmentation over the Sierras. I also have two 100-ct boxes of the Hornady 75gr HPBT bullets to play around with, too.

If you want a good cheap round, stick with 55gr for best fragmentation over the 62. You can go with the Hornady TAP ammo or Black Hills blue box for the heavier stuff. Or if you reload, then you have a lot of options.

tenpercentfirearms
02-22-2006, 7:20 PM
Anything but Wolf. I sell Wolf however. It was my partner's idea. :o

NRAhighpowershooter
02-22-2006, 8:15 PM
I have a bunch of LC67 and a TON of handloads cranked out on my Dillon 650

tygerpaw
02-23-2006, 6:03 AM
My nine year old shoots Wolf 62 gr. in his M4, I shoot LC Green Tip in my A3 rifle. I want to get som Fed GM to see how good it will group though.

donger
02-23-2006, 7:07 AM
Angeles range doesn't allow the use of steel cored ammo due to fire dangers. I would love to shoot some milsurp but need another alterative that is cheap and accurate. Any suggestions?

TonyM
02-23-2006, 8:03 AM
Angeles range doesn't allow the use of steel cored ammo due to fire dangers. I would love to shoot some milsurp but need another alterative that is cheap and accurate. Any suggestions?

Cheap and accurate? hmm... ;)

People seem to like the Winchester White Box from WalMart for plinking and blasting.

FYI, M855 and XM855 is a 62 grain that has a steel penetrator, but XM193 is just a 55 grain FMJ.

glen avon
02-23-2006, 8:09 AM
Angeles range doesn't allow the use of steel cored ammo due to fire dangers. I would love to shoot some milsurp but need another alterative that is cheap and accurate. Any suggestions?

steel jackets, too.

stevie
02-23-2006, 8:18 AM
Most M193 55 grain are lead core, those are ok. Any commercial 223 Rem. will also be ok. Walmart carries Winchester white box 223 in 55 grain for about 7.70 a box of 40. Give those a try.

donger
02-23-2006, 8:47 AM
Cheap and accurate? hmm... ;)

People seem to like the Winchester White Box from WalMart for plinking and blasting.

FYI, M855 and XM855 is a 62 grain that has a steel penetrator, but XM193 is just a 55 grain FMJ.


Sorry I meant without steel penetrators. I have a bunch of XM855 but had it confiscated during my last outing at Angeles. One of the ROs asked for a round and the tip stuck to the magnet so it was a no-no.

donger
02-23-2006, 8:48 AM
Most M193 55 grain are lead core, those are ok. Any commercial 223 Rem. will also be ok. Walmart carries Winchester white box 223 in 55 grain for about 7.70 a box of 40. Give those a try.


Thanks Steve. You are a wealth of knowledge.

stevie
02-23-2006, 8:58 AM
AIM Surplus will be offering Guatamalan(sp) 5.56 55 grain in 360 round battle packs for about 62.00 each. Some may want to stock up on this ammo. I have used a few thousand of this in the past and its good stuff. Century Arms currently has some 1440 round cases for $260.00 if you have an account with them.

donger
02-23-2006, 9:15 AM
Aim surplus won't deliver to Los Angeles, Orange County, or SF.:mad:

LOW2000
02-23-2006, 9:17 AM
Sorry I meant without steel penetrators. I have a bunch of XM855 but had it confiscated during my last outing at Angeles. One of the ROs asked for a round and the tip stuck to the magnet so it was a no-no.

They returned it when you left right?:eek: Just because I have a couple boxes of something in my range bag doesn't mean they get to keep it.

tay
02-23-2006, 9:27 AM
I took my new built out to the range, and used some surplus stuff I bought at a gunshow. The ammo came in stripper clips. The rounds wouldn't chamber and jam everytime. Spend 1/2 hr fixing and unjamming the stuff. Luckily brought some Walmart Winchester (40 round box) , and they shoot without jamming. Highly recommend the Walmart ammo.

stevie
02-23-2006, 9:31 AM
Dong PM sent.

donger
02-23-2006, 11:09 AM
They returned it when you left right?:eek: Just because I have a couple boxes of something in my range bag doesn't mean they get to keep it.


Yeah they left it in the range office for me. I got to pick it up after I packed up.

Gunsrruss
02-23-2006, 7:42 PM
Please don't buy this for your AR. It's worthless, Manufactured in Greece. Their 8mm is trash also. If you go to Sportsmansguide .com you can order "lake city" and Federal at good prices. Now this ammo will be top quality and reloadable. If you don't reload I recommend that. I will not buy Wolf, Guatamalen. But I will buy IMI from Israely military industries. That stuff is high Quality

ocabj
02-23-2006, 9:11 PM
I have never been to the Angeles Range, but I've heard so many bad stories on the various boards. Stories about ignorant range officers, range officers confiscating ammo and not giving it back to, and range officers who play with scope elevation and windage knobs while the shooter is out tending to targets.

From what I understand, they got rid of the problematic range officers, though.

grammaton76
02-23-2006, 9:41 PM
(Re: Olympic ammo)
Please don't buy this for your AR. It's worthless, Manufactured in Greece. Their 8mm is trash also.

I don't know anything about their 223/5.56mm, but I haven't had any problems with Olympic 8mm in my Hakim. Never a single failure to function.

ocabj
02-23-2006, 9:45 PM
(Re: Olympic ammo)


I don't know anything about their 223/5.56mm, but I haven't had any problems with Olympic 8mm in my Hakim. Never a single failure to function.

Definitely don't touch Olympic .30-06 if you plan on shooting it in a Garand. This stuff is way hot. The box may say M2 spec with 2770 fps, but the powder they're using in it is too slow. (Note: Olympic is not the same as Greek HXP)