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Seesm
04-16-2010, 9:11 AM
One of my crazed buddies heard I got a Droid phone and said the government can listen to your private conversations even if the phone is OFF? Does he sound nuts or what?

Lost
04-16-2010, 9:21 AM
I hope I am remembering this correctly, I will try and find a link with info and update this.

I don't remember if it was with the Droid or the iPhone, but there was an exploit not too long ago to where you can get into the phone and activate the microphone, so even if the phone was not in use (but powered on), you could still hear.

Edit:

From 2006: http://news.cnet.com/FBI-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/2100-1029_3-6140191.html
From 2009: http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/hackers-iphone-apple-technology-security-hackers.html
From 2010: http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/news-mainmenu-2/1-latest/5511-smart-phone-security-threat-targets-droid-phones.html

Smart phones are like computers. Anything is possible these days. There are too many attack vectors. Things will get patched, and there will be new exploits, and more patches, and more exploits... It's just like your regular computer. No reason to get super paranoid.

maddoggie13
04-16-2010, 9:34 AM
If you are in an office, yes they can listen in. This happen to me years ago when I worked for GE Capital. I was playing music while working on Sat. The music was loud...the security, turn on my phone and ask if everytime is ok in my office....

Seesm
04-16-2010, 9:41 AM
So should I keep ally secret talk down? I mean between sort talk w/ my lady and gun talk... haha

JDay
04-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Someone would have to place a rootkit on your phone to do this.

:TFH:

Merc1138
04-16-2010, 11:27 AM
Someone would have to place a rootkit on your phone to do this.

:TFH:

What's funny is how many people do that to themselves when they jailbreak their iphone, get SSH running, and then don't bother to change the default password.

Just like desktop and laptop computers, there are indeed phone exploits. However just like desktop and laptop computers, 99.9% of the time, the user brought it upon themselves.

Baconator
04-16-2010, 11:48 AM
routers are a good one too. Log in:admin, password:password

rromeo
04-16-2010, 12:42 PM
Yeah, you're screwed. I can see your naughty text messages.

Bug Splat
04-16-2010, 1:23 PM
Yes it can be done but highly unlikely.

This is your best bet for secure privacy :D....
http://www.theaterhopper.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cone.jpg

juicemansam
04-16-2010, 4:41 PM
Don't the laws that rule over cell phone communications allow for warrant-less wiretapping?

Peter W Bush
04-16-2010, 4:44 PM
A cell phon can be used to track you and your conversation can be recorded even if your phone is off.

JDay
04-17-2010, 1:21 AM
A cell phon can be used to track you and your conversation can be recorded even if your phone is off.

:fud: :TFH:

JDay
04-17-2010, 1:24 AM
Did the friend mean 'live' conversation or archived? The only thing I can remember reading is that there is code that can be installed by the service provider or something like that. Purportedly, the code then runs a startup cycle that can be programmed to power up the phone at whatever time the 'surveillor' wants to listen in or track via GPS.

I think I read somewhere that there are various documented cases of our good guys catching cartel lords this way and locating bad guys overseas.

They have to turn their phone on for us to locate it and they have to use the phone for us to know what they're talking about. Usually someone will call their phone to verify that they are there right before dropping a bomb on their location.

armedoffroader
04-17-2010, 10:03 AM
Ya want to keep private? Take the battery out of your phone...easy as that

tunaman
04-17-2010, 9:12 PM
Yeah, Sprint, ATT, Verizon, et al. actually DO have websites that they give LEOs access to that give them access to a. a list of your phone calls, b. a list of your text messages, c. transcripts of your text messages, d. the current location of your phone, and e. a gps track of where you have been. As far as we can tell there is no mechanism for validating whether a search warrant has been issued or not.

And in case you think I am being all tin-foil-hatty, the only way we know this is because the person that manages these projects for Sprint/Nextel was caught on tape describing their systems for these activities and admitted that they have already responded to 8 million requests for information.

http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/12/sprint-fed-customer-gps-data-to-leos-over-8-million-times.ars

Peter W Bush
04-17-2010, 10:20 PM
:fud: :TFH:

Not according to a few high ups that I know...

JDay
04-17-2010, 11:06 PM
Yeah, Sprint, ATT, Verizon, et al. actually DO have websites that they give LEOs access to that give them access to a. a list of your phone calls, b. a list of your text messages, c. transcripts of your text messages, d. the current location of your phone, and e. a gps track of where you have been. As far as we can tell there is no mechanism for validating whether a search warrant has been issued or not.

Here are the links to those companies LEA guidelines. If you read through them you will see that a valid warrant is in fact required.

http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/att-spy-doc-01.pdf
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/verizon-spy.pdf
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/sbc-lea-spy.pdf
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/cingular-spy.pdf
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/cricket-spy.pdf
http://cryptome.org/isp-spy/nextel-spy.pdf

Seesm
04-19-2010, 8:57 PM
Pretty lame... More and more privacy is taken day by day and bit by bit...

todd2968
04-19-2010, 9:23 PM
They don't even need phones brother the Feds have a satellite they use to listen to your thoughts that's why I wear the tin foil hat it messes with the gamma waves.

JDay
04-19-2010, 10:40 PM
They don't even need phones brother the Feds have a satellite they use to listen to your thoughts that's why I wear the tin foil hat it messes with the gamma waves.

That's why I live in a tin foil house and drive a tin foil car.

http://sondrak.com/images/uploads/tin_foil_house_car.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/tin_foil_hut/1.jpg

Scratch705
04-20-2010, 12:23 AM
^^ that looks actually kind of cool.... haha

as for tracking. don't they just triangulate off cell towers. (at least according to tv shows)

if you really want to be less easily found. get burn phones (ie pre-paid phones), and just throw away or rotate phones every few months.