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tbhracing
04-16-2010, 7:40 AM
Posting this for a friend. Please PM me for his contact info. if you can help-

I need to go from the Central Valley to Show Low Arizona by 11-12 noon on May 3rd 2010 and return shortly there after. I am willing to pay a reasonable fuel cost.

Anyone out there got a contact for a pilot with a single or twin engined aircraft that can do 175 knots or better?

As it stands, I could fly cheaper via commerical airlines to Phoenix but I would still have to pay for a rental car and drive four hours to Show Low and back to Phoenix for the return flight. Not to mention that I would have to drive three hours to the airport in California and drive back home.

I could drive but I want to avoid the 12-14 trip, fuel and hotel costs and miss two days of work.

Thanks

ENVYGREEN
04-17-2010, 5:26 PM
You should call your post I want everything and give nothing in return! haha "willing to pay reasonable fuel cost" good stuff!

paul0660
04-17-2010, 5:32 PM
There are many private pilots, wanting to build time, who look for opportunities like this.

This part: 175 knots or better? Shrinks the pool considerably.

ENVYGREEN
04-17-2010, 5:36 PM
Most people building time aren't in 200mph+ planes who wait stand by and are willing to accommodate demand after demand for fuel. But good luck

kaploww
04-19-2010, 3:14 AM
I know someone, I'll call him tomorrow, and see if he's interested.

JDay
04-19-2010, 7:00 AM
You should call your post I want everything and give nothing in return! haha "willing to pay reasonable fuel cost" good stuff!

Unless the pilot has a commercial license they cannot ask for anything more.

gvbsat
04-19-2010, 8:34 AM
Unless the pilot has a commercial license they cannot ask for anything more.

Even if the pilot has a commercial license he/she still cannot ask for more. It must be a shared cost no profit can me made unless he/she has a plane certified for part 135 and the pilot is certified for part 135.

But.... I may be up for it!! This will certainly have to be worked out, as my plane, as it stands right now, is in repair. But, I can get 185 knots on 12 gallons an hour. It is an M20K (Mooney). I would probably have two seats available, as I know someone would be interested already. Factors would be, my family and the time, and how much is this person buying, basically I am going to have to factor weight in, and I am not willing to spend a night. So it would be a day trip. Flight time is going to be someplace between 2 1/5-3hrs one way.

stormy_clothing
04-19-2010, 9:53 AM
Most people building time aren't in 200mph+ planes who wait stand by and are willing to accommodate demand after demand for fuel. But good luck

Thank you once again captain speaks for everyone, but your not a pilot obviously and have already put a foot wrong in this thread, this is your follow-up der der der..... silly.

Besides the fact that people want to earn there hours have you ever considered some people actually like to fly ? And if the fuel consumption is about 12 gallons an hour and the flight takes 6 hours and av gas is what like 5 bux a gallon - thats 360 dollars in fuel paid for, and I'm sure someone might like to actually go visit BFE wherever this guy is going when they get there.

Plus you've been here long enough to know there's no blatant thread crapping allowed.

glbtrottr
04-19-2010, 10:29 AM
Funny.

The cost of the engine hourly and its maintenance is not taken into account.
The cost of insurance also isn't included.
Lastly, the cost of the pilot's time isn't talked about.

....a captain who also owns an M20K / Turbo Mooney, and thinks that a request demanding a speed greater than X for the pilot to perform at a loss is....cute.

echo1
04-23-2010, 7:50 PM
Sent PM with some other options/avenues. I've got about a thousand hours and the last plane I owned was a Cessna 182. Most (non affleunt) owners charge themselves X$/hr to allow for expenses. If it's 3hrs one way, it's not going to be the same on return, in general. You have to allow for extra time for unforseen delays and a margin of safety. IFR 175mph aircraft must bill out at least $100/hr dry (fill up when you leave, pay for fuel used). Slower ships are going to be less $ per hour for fuel and rental, but will add time that could put you over the Sierras at night coming home. Your friend says he'd have to drive 3 hours to a commercial airport, where is he located. Does he want the pilot to pick him up. Show Low is about 60 miles west from New Mexico and about 750 miles from Sacramento as the crow flys. What's the math on that, even if you could make a ground speed of 175mph both ways. That's close to 9 hrs. What you're looking for is a twin engined Doctor/Lawyer killer.

gvbsat
04-23-2010, 8:47 PM
Funny.

The cost of the engine hourly and its maintenance is not taken into account.
The cost of insurance also isn't included.
Lastly, the cost of the pilot's time isn't talked about.

....a captain who also owns an M20K / Turbo Mooney, and thinks that a request demanding a speed greater than X for the pilot to perform at a loss is....cute.


You need to read post #7. Who said anything about pilots time?? Hello, pilot cannot charge for his/her time in that situation, that would be considered part 135 commuter on-demand, and thats a whole other set of regs than operating under part 91.

A few things that you may not be aware of owning/operating an aircraft.

Insurance is pretty much fixed. You pay an annual payment, divided up into 12 payments, due once a month. It doesnt matter if you fly or not, so charging someone for insurance, is not likely and not going to happen. I fly because I want to fly, I own because there is no way I would be able to rent a comparable bird when factoring speed and economy. BTW, the twin comment, I blow the doors off most small piston twins on more than half the economy and defiantly a third of the maintenance costs. We put in $40 per hour, not including fuel. I burn right around 12 an hour smoking at 180knots. Most light twins will not even touch that speed, and 12 an hour, ha forget about it, talk about at minimum 20-25 gallons per hour. Oh yeah, and twice the maintenance because of that second fan.

E-120
04-25-2010, 10:04 PM
I would charge no less than 400 an hour and that still not a good deal for myself. BTW, I am not charging per flight hour, but as a paid escort who happens to have an aircraft.

gvbsat
04-26-2010, 7:53 AM
I would charge no less than 400 an hour and that still not a good deal for myself. BTW, I am not charging per flight hour, but as a paid escort who happens to have an aircraft.

Plane part 135 compliant? You have taken and passed a part 135 check-out? Or is this a "shared cost" kind of flight?

E-120
04-26-2010, 4:27 PM
Um, you missed the point. In my example I am not charging for the plane. Many ways around Far's toucan charge whatever you want for personal time and the flight can be a gift. To answeryour other question I am not a 135 pilot. I am a captain for a flag carrier 121.

DREADNOUGHT78
04-26-2010, 4:52 PM
Um, you missed the point. In my example I am not charging for the plane. Many ways around Far's toucan charge whatever you want for personal time and the flight can be a gift. To answeryour other question I am not a 135 pilot. I am a captain for a flag carrier 121.

Kinda like a different "ESCORT"! Money exchanged is for time and companionship only. Anything else that happens is between 2 consenting adults! Nice way to backdoor the FAR's no pun intended......I think!

E-120
04-26-2010, 5:58 PM
Exactly. Maybe I should advertise on Craig's list.

Saigon1965
04-26-2010, 6:01 PM
How about a guy with a fast car -

donny douchebag
04-26-2010, 6:29 PM
I own and operate an L-39. I doubt he'd consider that "reasonable fuel" though...

ke6guj
04-26-2010, 6:39 PM
I own and operate an L-39. I doubt he'd consider that "reasonable fuel" though...




What does it cost to fly an L-39?
These numbers vary greatly, but should give you an idea of what to expect;



$ 300,000 Purchase
$ 5,000 LOA & training
$ 12,000 Annual insurance (Liability)
$ 6,000 Annual hanger
$ 13,000 Annual inspection (with ejection seats)
$ 1,000 Minor maintenance (fluids, oil, tires)
$ 5,000 Parts annual average (i.e. engine, valves, etc)
$ 350 Per hour fuel burn (high average)

yup, probably a little north of reasonable :D

That said, sweet plane you've got.

E-120
04-26-2010, 10:32 PM
Only 350 an hour? That's a great deal for a jet.