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Pappy91W
02-21-2006, 7:34 PM
SOURCE http://www.lassennews.com/News_Story.edi?sid=3145&mode=thread&order=0

Police recover assault weapon on college campus
Posted on Tuesday, February 21 @ 17:34:43 GMT
Lassen County News Headline After a lengthy investigation, the Susanville Police Department, with the aid of the Coos Bay Police Department, arrested Lassen Community College student Matthew Louis Maumoynier, 21, on Saturday, Feb. 11 in Coos Bay, Ore.

By Barbara France
News Editor

Maumoynier was charged with possessing an assault rifle, possessing firearms on a college campus, furnishing or loaning a high capacity magazine and probation violation. His bail was set at $45,000.

During the month of January, the police department began investigating allegations that college students at LCC were in possession of various firearms in the dorm rooms, according to a SPD press release.

Several photos showing both past and present students holding various types of firearms in the dorm rooms were put on the World Wide Web site blog called myspace.com.

College officials brought it to the attention of the police department when college staff discovered the photos.

According to Police Chief Chris Gallagher, during the lengthy investigation, one of the weapons in the photos was determined to be an assault rifle. These types of rifles are illegal to possess in California.

Maumoynier, identified by the SPD also as a LCC wrestler, was in one of the photos holding the assault rifle.

On Wednesday, Feb. 8, Susanville police detectives interviewed Maumoynier, who admitted during the interview that the assault rifle was his. He allegedly admitted bringing the rifle and a shotgun into the dorm rooms.

Maumoynier also told the detectives the weapons were in an undisclosed location in Chester. The detectives arrested Maumoynier but he was released when he and a man the press release identified as assistant wrestling coach Alonzo Nalls agreed to bring the rifle and shotgun to the police station on Thursday, Feb. 11. Nalls allegedly told the detectives he would help Maumoynier retrieve the guns.

The detectives told Nalls and Maumoynier that if Maumoynier did not return with the weapons as agreed upon, a warrant would be issued for his arrest. He was also told that if he brought in the weapons, he would not be physically arrested but the case would be sent to the Lassen County District Attorney's Office.

Neither Maumoynier nor Nalls brought the weapons to the police department or contacted the investigators.

On Friday, Feb. 10, the police detectives obtained an arrest warrant for Maumoynier for felony and misdemeanor charges.

For the full story, see the Feb. 21 Lassen County Times.

Army
02-21-2006, 8:11 PM
So let me get this straight:

He was not found in possession in the initial investigation...so no charges could be filed nor actual arrest made, despite him admitting to having them in the dorms. (an actual arrest for a weapons charge, would not be allowed to "go get them")

He was told to bring them in, in order for the police to charge him with possession.

Having initially been NOT charged nor arrested for possessing an "assault rifle", he is now in trouble for not bringing in the firearms, so he could be charged for a non-crime from the original investigation?

I'm no lawyer, but this seems to be a rather well documented police screw-up that won't hold up in court.

ohsmily
02-21-2006, 8:11 PM
this exact article is on the other thread about "ar-15's on TV"

11Z50
02-21-2006, 8:14 PM
Here ya go boys. You better hope it wasn't an off-list lower.

TKo_Productions
02-21-2006, 8:14 PM
<snip>
According to Police Chief Chris Gallagher, during the lengthy investigation, one of the weapons in the photos was determined to be an assault rifle. These types of rifles are illegal to possess in California.<snip>

Hmm....since when are assault weapons illegal to possess?

<sarcasm>Alot of Californians with registered assault weapons are going to be really dissapointed to find that out!</sarcasm>

blkA4alb
02-21-2006, 8:18 PM
as far as i know this is NOT the same incident as the one that i am talking about in my other thread. this one you all are talking about was in lassen, this is in the SF bay area. 2 different incidents.

icormba
02-21-2006, 8:22 PM
Hmm....since when are assault weapons illegal to possess?

<sarcasm>Alot of Californians with registered assault weapons are going to be really dissapointed to find that out!</sarcasm>

When the person in question is only 21 years old.

TKo_Productions
02-21-2006, 8:34 PM
When the person in question is only 21 years old.

I'm not arguing that it wasn't illegal for him to possess it. What I am arguing in the context by which the information is provided. Re-read it, and think about how non-gun-enthusiasts are going to interpret it.

Pappy91W
02-21-2006, 10:10 PM
I didn't see the other thread. Sorry for the dupe.

ajwells
02-21-2006, 10:18 PM
When the person in question is only 21 years old.

Um, okay, I am not that acquanted with the laws but what does 21 have to do with it? I thought it was 18 for rifles and shotguns and 21 for handguns. Is there another, higher, age limit for AWs?

11Z50
02-21-2006, 10:19 PM
Hi-cap mag. If you are 21 no way.

Wumpscut223
02-21-2006, 10:28 PM
I bought my mags before I was 18... full capacity mags I've had for years :) Only 22 now.

EBWhite
02-21-2006, 10:50 PM
You could have mags when you were 5 years old. if they can prove a sale then those kids are screwed.

apexpredator
02-21-2006, 11:00 PM
What that kid needs to do is go get an Airsoft replica of his "AW" real quick! All they have on this numb nut is a picture on the internet. He could claim that the Airsoft is the weapon he is photographed with and that they photoshopped the orange off the barrel tip!

Then give the big finger to the ATF, and Cal DOJ! Last time I checked, Photoshop wasn't on the banned list, and niether are airsoft!

M1A Rifleman
02-22-2006, 6:03 AM
[QUOTE=TKo_Productions]Hmm....since when are assault weapons illegal to possess?



Registered AW's are "legal" to posses only in certain areas - such as: your home, target range, or private property with the owners permission. Can't legally keep em stored in your car.

blakpuc
02-22-2006, 7:05 AM
Here ya go boys. You better hope it wasn't an off-list lower.
this was in Oregon.

M1A Rifleman
02-22-2006, 7:17 AM
this was in Oregon.

He was at the college in CA with the AR.

PanzerAce
02-22-2006, 7:20 AM
Then give the big finger to the ATF, and Cal DOJ! Last time I checked, Photoshop wasn't on the banned list, and niether are airsoft!

Actually, most college campuses ban airsoft, so he is screwed either way.

glen avon
02-22-2006, 7:22 AM
When the person in question is only 21 years old.

good catch

glen avon
02-22-2006, 7:23 AM
Um, okay, I am not that acquanted with the laws but what does 21 have to do with it? I thought it was 18 for rifles and shotguns and 21 for handguns. Is there another, higher, age limit for AWs?

21 now means 15 or 16 when registered in 2000, had to be 18 to register......

blakpuc
02-22-2006, 7:29 AM
He was at the college in CA with the AR.
doh! my bad.:o

11Z50
02-22-2006, 7:32 AM
I stand corrected. My guess is that a person could have been given a high-cap by a relative prior to the ban, as long as he or she was alive then.

Again, this is a stupid law. It's turning us all into shizhouse lawyers.

mechandy
02-22-2006, 8:01 AM
Is heresay and a pic enough to file charges for something like this?
I can see it if it were a robbery/theft,violent crime or sicko sex crap but it's about contraband.
In my opinion this is right up there with holding a bag of green or white stuff for a pic...dumb as hell but enough to be criminal??
I ignorantly think not.
It should be up to the school to administer the penalty that is within their system.

icormba
02-22-2006, 8:12 AM
wait a minute...
"Police recover assault weapon on college campus" ??? :confused:

The Police didn't recover anything! They recovered pictures of AW's from the internet? The Police need him to turn in the AW's so the DA can have an easy win in their case I suspect? Matthew didn't turn them in.

Cyber Assault Weapons... oh crap! once they print those pics... watch out for drive by paper cuttings!

glen avon
02-22-2006, 8:15 AM
Is heresay....

where is the hearsay?

artherd
02-22-2006, 8:45 AM
Hi-cap mag. If you are 21 no way.
High cap mags are legal for a 7-year-old to posess. So long as she lawfully posessed 'em prior to 1/1/2000.

blkA4alb
02-22-2006, 9:39 AM
oops, nevermind:D

mechandy
02-22-2006, 10:07 AM
Heresay is when somebody says something with out solid proof,like "I heard they had guns".
This would normally involve second hand information.
Correct me if I'm wrong but did not a student (or other) mention to the school authority "they have guns" then did not the authority contact the police?
If that's the case I'd call that heresay (sp?)

blkA4alb
02-22-2006, 10:41 AM
mechandy i think he was asking where the hearsay was in this situation, not what hearsay is. i thought he was asking the same thing you did when i first read that, thats why my post above yours says nevermind:)

glen avon
02-22-2006, 10:44 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but did not a student (or other) mention to the school authority "they have guns" then did not the authority contact the police?
If that's the case I'd call that heresay (sp?)

not that I am aware of. the cops saw the pix, questioned him, and he confessed.

anyways, hearsay for probable cause and hearsay for a criminal conviction are two very different analyses. Hearsay is A-OK for probable cause, if it comes from a reliable source or has other "indices of reliability."

schizrade2
02-22-2006, 12:49 PM
Hey I know Alonzo Nalls. Cool guy.

Sucks for the kid. He should have known better though.

Matt C
02-22-2006, 12:59 PM
On Wednesday, Feb. 8, Susanville police detectives interviewed Maumoynier, who admitted during the interview that the assault rifle was his. He allegedly admitted bringing the rifle and a shotgun into the dorm rooms.


When the cops show up, call a lawyer, don't say a word. I think most of us here know that. Still, if everyone here was in a situation like this one the majority would talk. I'v got 3+ years of law enforcement experience and its very rare to have someone shut up and say nothing other than I'd like my lawyer, esp. in really weak cases. If they do they usually don't even get prosecuted. If its airtight though, they keep their mouth shut.:confused: Anyways, just remember....DONT TALK. This guy had no problems, he talked himself into a jail cell and ruined hs life.

50 Freak
02-22-2006, 1:30 PM
Sheeple are so dumb. Even watching all the CSI / Cop shows, the "LE" always say that whenever a "bad" guy "lawyers up" that he is smart. And only the dumb crooks are the ones that blab everything out.

I point to that and tell my wife that if a LE questions her, that to SHUT UP and ask for a lawyer. I don't care if it's even for jaywalking. The only thing out of her mouth is "I want my lawyer".

It's can't hurt but will only help you in the long run. Some sheeple have the brain of a flea.

Jeez, getting back to this situation, the only smart thing the kid did is not bring in the firearms like he promised.

LE's : we have no proof other than a picture and have to release you upon the promise that you will bring back the illegal AW so you can make our case against you and have the DA charge you. So if we let you go....will you bring back your illegal AW....

Kid : Let me get this straight...you have no case on me, can't charge me, can't find the "illegal AWs" that I have a picture of me holding. And you want me to go home, get my Airsoft...uhm, I mean illegal AW and bring it back to you so I you can charge me and send me to jail......Suuuurrrreeee, I'll be right back......

Pappy91W
02-22-2006, 1:39 PM
When the cops show up, call a lawyer, don't say a word. I think most of us here know that. Still, if everyone here was in a situation like this one the majority would talk. I'v got 3+ years of law enforcement experience and its very rare to have someone shut up and say nothing other than I'd like my lawyer, esp. in really weak cases. If they do they usually don't even get prosecuted. If its airtight though, they keep their mouth shut.:confused: Anyways, just remember....DONT TALK. This guy had no problems, he talked himself into a jail cell and ruined hs life.


That's great, well, fine and dandy even! And in a perfect world, he would have kept his mouth shut. Remember, compared to us, this guy's a kid. People that young that don't have a contact history with police, would never suspect that the police would lie or trick them. When cops tell them that they will be better off cooperating, they believe the police. So, he didn't REALLY talk himself into jail. A cop, lied and lulled him into jail. Kinda sucks that honest people don't have the polished skills of deception and evasion required to handle police contact.

glen avon
02-22-2006, 2:05 PM
Kinda sucks that honest people don't have the polished skills of deception and evasion required to handle police contact.

that's right. and LEOs are allowed to lie and trick you, as you have no protectable interest in dishonesty. Cops are good at questioning and talking people into things. it's their job.

icormba
02-22-2006, 2:59 PM
Or was it was really one of these?

http://rap4.com/images/A2-SHORTY.jpg


p.s. this is a paintball gun.

Pulsar
02-22-2006, 4:33 PM
I guess I should pipe in. I am a student at Lassen Community College right now, I am enrolled in the Gunsmithing program. I know for a fact that this kid is not in the gunsmithing program.

And I should also point out that people who are residents in other states are allowed to bring there AW's into california if they are enrolled in this program. I can't quote the specific law stating this is ok, but we have ATF and DOJ agents wandering through the class room every once and a while, and they never blink an eye at seeing AW's (there are usually three or four at any given time).

If you've got any questions, feel free to ask.

ldivinag
02-22-2006, 4:37 PM
what specific law does LCC get for their gunsmithing program>?

as a staff for a CSU campus, i know the law that no guns within 1000 feet of any school property.

and that means dorms on campus.

bodyarmorguy27
02-22-2006, 4:58 PM
So I assume all you guys are following the arraignment and preliminary hearing of this guy?

Or are you just making assumptions from the news report?

You need to really look up Miranda and when it's required. It's not like TV.

11Z50
02-22-2006, 6:14 PM
An image of possibly illegal acts posted online on a public-access site, or provided via a reliable informant from a private site could be sufficient probable cause (PC) to initiate an investigation by LE. Happens on kiddie-porn cases all the time. Once the LE guys decide they want to get involved they start with the old "fishing expedition" and see what people will admit to. Even though later the case may be dismissed for lack of evidence, in this case the lack of the actual AW involved, it is sufficient PC to arrest and question under 836 PC. Now that the kid has fled, he will have an arrest warrant out for him, and even though it may all be BS, he is in deep Kimchi now.

Again guys, be careful with this lower thing.....free advice!

ADDICTEDto.223LOWERS
02-22-2006, 6:14 PM
he coulda just lied and said those were airsoft guns... or plead the 5th...

Pulsar
02-22-2006, 7:11 PM
As far as I know, he's been kicked out of the dorms, and kicked off the school, no idea what's going on with legal charges though. LCC has a specific policy that guns are only allowed in the gunsmithing department or locked in vehicles, and only the gunsmithing teachers are allowed to fire weapons on campus.

I'm thinking someone was complaining to cause the police in this town to bother checking it out. Almost all the police in this town hate california gun laws and only seem to enforce em if people start complaining. I'm guessing that a school official saw the picture and asked to police to check it out.

jtyoshi
02-22-2006, 8:04 PM
what specific law does LCC get for their gunsmithing program>?

as a staff for a CSU campus, i know the law that no guns within 1000 feet of any school property.

and that means dorms on campus.


I'd like to see that law... Considering I've seen the locals at the trailer park next door are about a rocks throw away from campus.

slipknot
02-22-2006, 8:54 PM
Check Penal Code Section 626.9. Bringing or Possessing Firearm on Grounds of Public School, College, or University.
Includes a list of exceptions.

slipknot
02-22-2006, 9:00 PM
Check Penal Code 626.9 regarding firearms and schools.
Contains a list of exceptions.

50 Freak
02-22-2006, 9:53 PM
Now that the kid has fled, he will have an arrest warrant out for him

Arrest for what? Having a picture of him holding an "assault weapon". Where was this picture taken? His dorm room or the deserts of Arizona or ?

If they had a good charge on him in the first place, do you really think they would have let him go home to retreive his AW?

elmo
02-23-2006, 7:10 AM
was watching KTVU news this morning and saw police leaving a home with firearms. Was only a teaser before the real story and I had to go to work. I saw a walter G22? i think, and i did see an AR15 solid rear stock, and no magazine in the magwell. headline was that neighbors may have huge arsenal, and that you have no idea who your neighbors truely are.

M1A Rifleman
02-23-2006, 7:23 AM
was watching KTVU news this morning and saw police leaving a home with firearms. Was only a teaser before the real story and I had to go to work. I saw a walter G22? i think, and i did see an AR15 solid rear stock, and no magazine in the magwell. headline was that neighbors may have huge arsenal, and that you have no idea who your neighbors truely are.

God, the media is starting to hype up the gun issue again - no doubt means something is in the works such as new bans etc.

As for neighbors, my former neighbor, was always peaking over the fence to see in my garage when he heard me outside. He was a nice guy but was always curious to see what I was working on. He caught me working on a BP pistol and asked if I was "into guns".:eek: A quick change of the subject (gee did I just hear my wife (http://www.qklinkserver.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=19903&k=my%20wife) call?) avoided an answer to that one.:D :p

Pulsar
02-23-2006, 10:12 AM
The picture in question was taken on campus, just outside the dorms. The guy is on the college wrestling team and the picture had been posted on the teams website. We all figured it was just an airsoft gun when we saw the picture, but I guess someone had to raise a fuss.