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Noonanda
04-13-2010, 5:49 PM
For those of you that have never heard of this version of the Mosin Nagant, here is a good article.
http://www.estonianarms.com/2876.htm

I also posted this on Gunboards in the Mosin Nagant Forum
Well just got done going over all 3 with a fine tooth comb looking for markings and differences. All rifles have slight variations to them. Need to figure out which one Im gonna keep, probably rifle # 1. 2 were missing the screw to for mounting the diopter sight, one was missing the elevation locking screw on a single stack diopter.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/M-28-76.jpg


Rifle 1
Receiver: 1895 Tula, its an antique
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_1895Tulatang.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=1895Tulatang.jpg)

Barrel: Only markings are serial # and 3600 Proof, Sako gear marked rear sight base, rear sight M-20/30 style min marking 200M.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_barrelmarkings.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=barrelmarkings.jpg)
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_sakorearsightbase.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=sakorearsightbase.jpg)
Bore is excellent, mic'ed at .308 with Calipers but will be slugging it soon.

Stock was not glass bedded but has brass and metal inserts bedding the receiver

Triggerguard antijam style, strange marking on front of it, anyone recognize it?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_triggerguardmarking.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=triggerguardmarking.jpg)
This rifle has a Double stack diopter sight, all 3 rifles diopter is marked 1.1
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_doublestackdiopter.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=doublestackdiopter.jpg)

Noonanda
04-13-2010, 5:50 PM
Rifle 2 (forgot to take many pics, was login this onfo down on paper)

Receiver: Sestroyetsk 1899 marked (almost an antique)
Barrel: Markings are serial #, date of 1969 and 3600 Proof, rear sight base not marked, rear sight M-20/30 style min marking 200M.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_rifle2barrelmarkings.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=rifle2barrelmarkings.jpg)
Bore is excellent, mic'ed at .310 with Calipers but will be slugging it soon.

The stock has a pretty cool looking sticker on the right side behind the Bolt handle notch
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_stickeronRifle2.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=stickeronRifle2.jpg)

This rifle came with a single stack diopter.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_SSdiopter2castlemarked.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=SSdiopter2castlemarked.jpg)

Noonanda
04-13-2010, 5:50 PM
Rifle 3

Receiver: Tula 1904 marked Tang, marked on side of receiver with a different serial # than on barrel (38503). Imperial Eagle cyrillic PK marked, not scrubbed
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_tula1904tang.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=tula1904tang.jpg)
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_rifle3recievermarking.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=rifle3recievermarking.jpg)

Barrel: Markings are serial #, and 3600 Proof, rear sight base not marked, rear sight M-20/30 style min marking 200M.
Bore is excellent, mic'ed at .308 with Calipers but will be slugging it soon.

The stock has a piece of tape on it with some writing, can someone translate?
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_tapeonstock.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=tapeonstock.jpg)

Triggerguard has unknown markings on it, kind of looks like Chatterault but has another marking above it. This rifle also has a odd stamped follower never seen this style before.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_triggerguardmarking2.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=triggerguardmarking2.jpg)
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_sheetmetalfollower.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=sheetmetalfollower.jpg)

This rifle came with a single stack diopter wsith a Finnish Castle marking on the side of it.
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/th_FinnishcastlemarkingSSdiopter2.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg266/noonanda/?action=view&current=FinnishcastlemarkingSSdiopter2.jpg)

Pthfndr
04-13-2010, 6:16 PM
I have one also. Used it in some prone matches. Very accurate.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=179654

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=230599

bplvr
04-13-2010, 6:17 PM
the stamp looks like an upside down Tula hammer.

paul0660
04-13-2010, 6:21 PM
Are the triggers just like the M39's?

Interloper
04-13-2010, 6:40 PM
What a trip. Why such old receivers? I'm guessing they prefered the hex's? As for the barrels, they would be circa 60's or 70's?

Spiggy
04-13-2010, 7:14 PM
The russians lost a lot of M91's when finland detached the first time.

Then Finland did one helluva job buying M91's from all sorts of sources in europe to build up their reserve weapons

Noonanda
04-13-2010, 7:20 PM
Are the triggers just like the M39's?

No, they are 100 times better, a true two stage design.


Pthfndr I have one also. Used it in some prone matches. Very accurate.
Pathfinder do you know what size/threads the bolt is that secures the diopter sight to the receiver?

doughboy334
04-13-2010, 7:44 PM
Nice rifle!

I have one also. Used it in some prone matches. Very accurate.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=179654

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=230599

and Pthfndr, I'd love to try some of your reloads for my M39!

Pthfndr
04-13-2010, 8:25 PM
Pathfinder do you know what size/threads the bolt is that secures the diopter sight to the receiver?

No I don't. But I'll take mine to work tomorrow and check it with a thread gauge and repost here tomorrow night.

SVT-40
04-13-2010, 9:41 PM
Were these from Centerfire? Beautiful rifles by the way, But I just can't get myself to spend that kind of $$ for a Mosin Nagant.

I know they are probably worth it and it's my own brand of rifle bias :)

Now if it were a Swedish Cg /80 in that kind of condition I think I would also buy three.

How do these shoot with standard ammo if anyone knows? Or is it a hand load situation only?

Pthfndr
04-13-2010, 10:04 PM
Now if it were a Swedish Cg /80 in that kind of condition I think I would also buy three.

How do these shoot with standard ammo if anyone knows? Or is it a hand load situation only?

Mine shoots as accurately as my CG63 and CG80 with my hand loads. But the 7.62x54 kicks a LOT more than 6.5x55. As pretty as my CG80 stock is, the 28/76 stock feels like it was custom tailored to me. It just fits perfect.

One thing I found out this past weekend is that the skinnier barrel on the 28/76 does not do as well for during long strings of fire as the CG80 with it's heavy bull barrel. I shot a 3 x 600 yard prone match. 22 rounds in 22 minutes per string of fire. It did just fine for the first two strings, but about 5 or so shots into the third string it started stringing the group vertically big time.

I've never shot any surplus ammo in it, but as these rifles were made for 300 meter matches I would expect that light ball might do better than heavy ball.

For new ammo the Privi 150gr or 170gr fmjbt would probably do pretty good also. My hand loads use a 175gr HPBT.

7.62x54R
04-13-2010, 10:15 PM
Very nice I have been wanting one of these for awhile I hope they are still available when I have enough cash.

bplvr
04-14-2010, 1:13 PM
I checked the threads on my M39 - 1969 and it is English metric.
Just for a size comparison.....the bolt on the front band clamp is 6mm x 1.0

Pthfndr
04-14-2010, 5:40 PM
Pathfinder do you know what size/threads the bolt is that secures the diopter sight to the receiver?

Ok, I checked it today. The threaded part is 4mm x .5mm thread pitch. That's kind of an odd size. .5mm is finer than 40, maybe a 48 tpi would work.

If you can't find a shoulder bolt with threads that size, you could always get a shoulder bolt that's slightly bigger than that and drill the hole in the sight mounting bar larger and then re-tap the hole in the receiver.

Noonanda
04-14-2010, 7:32 PM
Man if these rifles were not pretty rare, expensive, full of history, and if my name was bubba I would love to mount a PE rail somewhat similar to the TIV-85 style scope mount (since those are made of unobtanium) just to see how accurate these rifles really can be. I wonder if there is any way to make a scope rail similar to the accumounts that uses the rear sight and the side rail for the diopter sight. Points of contact would be the rear sight base and a bracket that uses the side rail for the diopter.dont want to make it permanent though.

Pthfndr
04-14-2010, 7:46 PM
Rock Solid makes a scope mount, but because it also attaches to the side of the receiver at the rear I don't think it would work because of the milled cut out for the side diopter mount.

But, check out what this guy did. First is a link to his post on Snipercentral, the second one is a link to his web page with more details. He made his own scope mount. Very cool. I've exchanged some PMs with him.

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=296287&sid=d599d96864f174824000d08a1c9365ca

http://www.shoot-farther.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page14.html

One of his pictures.

http://www.shoot-farther.com/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_87.jpg

Noonanda
04-15-2010, 11:20 AM
Rock Solid makes a scope mount, but because it also attaches to the side of the receiver at the rear I don't think it would work because of the milled cut out for the side diopter mount.

But, check out what this guy did. First is a link to his post on Snipercentral, the second one is a link to his web page with more details. He made his own scope mount. Very cool. I've exchanged some PMs with him.

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=296287&sid=d599d96864f174824000d08a1c9365ca

http://www.shoot-farther.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page14.html

One of his pictures.

http://www.shoot-farther.com/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_87.jpg

Yep Ive seen these, I wish there was a way to do the scope mount non-permanent/gunsmithing. Hacking up this rifle definately is not my goal.

bplvr
04-15-2010, 11:35 AM
Go to G/B auction # 163021066 .It is a Lefty but it has a top mount scope rig with the dioper in place on the left rear. Interesting.

bplvr
04-15-2010, 12:01 PM
Ok, I checked it today. The threaded part is 4mm x .5mm thread pitch. That's kind of an odd size. .5mm is finer than 40, maybe a 48 tpi would work.

If you can't find a shoulder bolt with threads that size, you could always get a shoulder bolt that's slightly bigger than that and drill the hole in the sight mounting bar larger and then re-tap the hole in the receiver.

It would actually be 50 TPI . OR get a 1/4-20 knurled thumb screw,
and have a machine shop cut off the threads and re-thread it to 4mm x .50.
This would also give you a 1/4 " dia. shoulder .
Another idea would be to get a "captive screw" recut to 4mm x .05 .

Noonanda
04-15-2010, 12:24 PM
bplr did you receive your rifle yet? Post some pics when you do and show us what you got

Noonanda
04-15-2010, 12:30 PM
look at auction 164924611, wish I had that kind of money to spend or wish I knew where to find that scope mount. If I could find the correct scope mount I would modify it.

bplvr
04-15-2010, 1:06 PM
bplr did you receive your rifle yet? Post some pics when you do and show us what you got
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as of yesterday afternoon it hadn't been packed to ship yet,so it will be at least a week. any parts that are on my gun that you are missing i will blueprint for you in case you want to get a few made. there is always a market for " impossible to find/ obsolete " parts.
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Noonanda
04-15-2010, 8:06 PM
well Im selling one of em, gotta try to make some of my money back now on one of the auction boards, for cheaper than the importers are selling em for. I wish I could keep all 3, might try to convice the wife to let me keep 2, and then I might contemplate keeping one original and using one as a "sniper variant" similar to the one list on GB but still more than I paid. I meant to list it here first to give someone from California first dibbs, if you find the auction and are interested I will pull it as long as it has not been bid on, just PM me.

marxdspot
04-15-2010, 10:41 PM
well Im selling one of em, gotta try to make some of my money back now on one of the auction boards, for cheaper than the importers are selling em for. I wish I could keep all 3, might try to convice the wife to let me keep 2, and then I might contemplate keeping one original and using one as a "sniper variant" similar to the one list on GB but still more than I paid. I meant to list it here first to give someone from California first dibbs, if you find the auction and are interested I will pull it as long as it has not been bid on, just PM me.
PM inbound.

Noonanda
04-16-2010, 5:31 AM
got a few PMs asking the same questions. it is rifle # 2 (post # 2)listed in this thread, and is auction #165312622 on GB

Bokmal
04-18-2010, 12:06 AM
I would love to mount a PE rail somewhat similar to the TIV-85 style scope mount (since those are made of unobtanium)
Well, I did send my TKIV-85 mount over to a GB member in Ohio to be modelled... I need to check on his progress. But I think 1:1 repros should be available sometime soon.

The diopters used on the M/27-66 and M/28-76 were the same as on the Valmet Leijona .22lr match rifles, sets can occasionally be found at shows. (BTW, same as for for the sweet handling post war sniper/biathlon rifle M/39-57).

The M/28-76 holds a special place in my heart, had I got an invitation for WWIII back in the 80'ies I would have been issued one...:33: