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99°
04-12-2010, 5:51 PM
So I am going to sell a few rifles out of my collection. I know I need a copy of the persins CA.ID and an affidavit stating he is not a felon and not orohibited from owning firearms if they are not ffl01/03 holders. I am supposed to enter the info of the rifle, and other persons info and transaction info too, but is there anything else? Am I missing anyting? It just feels too easy to sell a rifle and not report it or send info into batf. please let me know if im missing anything in the transaction.

TRICKSTER
04-12-2010, 6:55 PM
If the rifle is 50+ years old and you are a 03 FFL all you need to do is enter buyers info in the disposition section of you bound book. No affidavit is needed.
You can simply ask them if they can legally own a firearm.

(f) Firearms receipt and disposition by licensed collectors. Each licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics. The record required by this paragraph shall be maintained in bound form under the format prescribed below. The purchase or other acquisition of a curio or relic shall, except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, be recorded not later than the close of the next business day following the date of such purchase or other acquisition. The record shall show the date of receipt, the name and address or the name and license number of the person from whom received, the name of the manufacturer and importer (if any), the model, serial number, type, and the caliber or gauge of the firearm curio or relic. The sale or other disposition of a curio or relic shall be recorded by the licensed collector not later than 7 days following the date of such transaction. When such disposition is made to a licensee, the commercial record of the transaction shall be retained, until the transaction is recorded, separate from other commercial documents maintained by the licensee, and be readily available for inspection. The record shall show the date of the sale or other disposition of each firearm curio or relic, the name and address of the person to whom the firearm curio or relic is transferred, or the name and license number of the person to whom transferred if such person is a licensee, and the date of birth of the transferee if other than a licensee. In addition, the licensee shall—

(1) Cause the transferee, if other than a licensee, to be identified in any manner customarily used in commercial transactions (e.g., a driver's license), and note on the record the method used, and

(2) In the case of a transferee who is an alien legally in the United States and who is other than a licensee—

(i) Verify the identity of the transferee by examining an identification document (as defined in §478.11), and

(ii) Cause the transferee to present documentation establishing that the transferee is a resident of the State (as defined in §478.11) in which the licensee's business premises is located if the firearm curio or relic is other than a shotgun or rifle, and note on the record the documentation used or is a resident of any State and has resided in such State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the transfer of the firearm if the firearm curio or relic is a shotgun or rifle and shall note on the record the documentation used. Examples of acceptable documentation include utility bills or a lease agreement which show that the transferee has resided in the State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the transfer of the firearm curio or relic.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=27:3.0.1.2.3.8.1.6&idno=27

paul0660
04-12-2010, 7:01 PM
Yes it is so easy it is weird.

SimpleCountryActuary
04-12-2010, 7:51 PM
IT should be this easy for everything.

Z ME FLY
04-12-2010, 10:23 PM
Another way to make sure if you are shipping is to deal with Calgunners that have itrader feedback. Look over it make sure they bought a gun or two so they are legal and gtg.

SimpleCountryActuary
04-13-2010, 8:08 PM
Another way to make sure if you are shipping is to deal with Calgunners that have itrader feedback. Look over it make sure they bought a gun or two so they are legal and gtg.

And have over 700 posts. ;)

Fate
04-14-2010, 9:01 AM
If you are NOT a FFL holder (01/03), and the rifle is over 50 years old you can simply cash & carry. No affidavit needed. The only requirement is that you don't know they're a prohibited person. You are also legally able to SHIP that rifle to someone as long as it does not cross state borders. Out of state recipients must have an 03 or transfer thru a 01 FFL.

So easy a caveman could do it.

OpenSightsOnly
04-14-2010, 5:48 PM
So I am going to sell a few rifles out of my collection. I know I need a copy of the persins CA.ID and an affidavit stating he is not a felon and not orohibited from owning firearms if they are not ffl01/03 holders. I am supposed to enter the info of the rifle, and other persons info and transaction info too, but is there anything else? Am I missing anyting? It just feels too easy to sell a rifle and not report it or send info into batf. please let me know if im missing anything in the transaction.

A bill of sale (buyer and seller signs that document, bring two) with the needed info for your disposition book would do just fine.

Jimmy310
04-14-2010, 7:06 PM
If you are NOT a FFL holder (01/03), and the rifle is over 50 years old you can simply cash & carry. No affidavit needed. The only requirement is that you don't know they're a prohibited person. You are also legally able to SHIP that rifle to someone as long as it does not cross state borders. Out of state recipients must have an 03 or transfer thru a 01 FFL.

So easy a caveman could do it.

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