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x404
04-12-2010, 3:53 PM
303 is too expensive. whats the best way to rechamber to .308? anyone know? "you dead asses wouldn't know a good time if it fell from the sky and wiggled on your face"

Fot
04-12-2010, 4:03 PM
Strange post...

bigstick61
04-12-2010, 5:06 PM
The best way would be to try to find one of those kits that used to be sold by UK companies that included a 7.62mm barrel with the same external contours as the .303 one, a spring steel adapter for the stripper clip guide, a 7.62mm extractor, a 7.62 proofed bolt head, a 7.62mm magazine (there were a couple of types), and depending on the magazine, a 7.62mm ejector could be included as well. These were made for No. 4s and No. 5s. You would likely have to replace the front sight blade as well. The DCRA in Canada used to do No. 4 conversions, but I don't believe they do anymore.

The parts mentioned above can pretty much all be found seperately (but the clip guide adapters are almost impossible to fund by themselves); if need be, I'm sure you could find a custom barrel maker who can make a suitable barrel with the right threads and external contours.

kdm
04-12-2010, 5:18 PM
The cost of retrofit and parts would probably pay for a simple reloading setup...

artkat2
04-12-2010, 5:39 PM
Aim surplus http://www.aimsurplus.com/ and these guys http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/ sell Privi Partisan 174 grain boxer primed .303 for less than $15/20 before shipping. Good rounds and lot's of brass to reload later.

uzigalil
04-12-2010, 5:46 PM
http://www.specialinterestarms.com/index.php

Farquaad
04-12-2010, 7:21 PM
Buy an Ishapore 2a in 7.62 nato and forgo the conversion or get a Lee loader in 303 for $20 and load your own .303

mj1
04-12-2010, 8:07 PM
I have a set but I wouldn't sell it to your dead ***.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/a5eb317f.jpg

AngryPossum
04-12-2010, 8:34 PM
I have a set but I wouldn't sell it to your dead ***.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/a5eb317f.jpg

Lol....is there anything you don't have?

Buy an Ishapore 2a in 7.62 nato and forgo the conversion or get a Lee loader in 303 for $20 and load your own .303
+1...For the time and money you are going to put into a conversion you should just get an Ishapore....Mine is one of my most accurate rifles.

Argonaut
04-12-2010, 8:43 PM
Cheeper to sell your gun and buy a 308.....or live with it.

echo1
04-12-2010, 9:21 PM
Is it going to be for sale? Get an Ishapore.

Quiet
04-12-2010, 11:01 PM
It will be less expensive to purchase an Ishapore 2A in 7.62x51mm, than it would be for you to acquire a 7.62x51mm conversion kit.

mj1
04-13-2010, 4:50 AM
Lol....is there anything you don't have?

Well yes there is and I'm still looking for the WW2 remote controled anti tank donky.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/98385548.jpg

bigstick61
04-13-2010, 2:06 PM
I have a set but I wouldn't sell it to your dead ***.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/a5eb317f.jpg

Do you have a picture of the clip guide adapter? I've never been sure what it looks like.

As for getting an Ishapore, that doesn't really help if you really want a .308 No. 5.

mj1
04-13-2010, 2:27 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/74670ed8.jpg

PRODRIVE
04-13-2010, 2:30 PM
:King:I have a set but I wouldn't sell it to your dead ***.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/a5eb317f.jpg

smle-man
04-13-2010, 6:25 PM
I've got three #4s in .308 but these days it is cheaper just to buy a sporting arm in .308 than to try to piece together a kit for the conversion.

H3llpl3ss
04-14-2010, 8:33 AM
I have a friend that has 3 Enfield's chambered in 30-06. Since he already reloads for his 3 Garands and 2 1903's, the 30-06 was the way to go.

Noonanda
04-14-2010, 8:53 AM
I have a friend that has 3 Enfield's chambered in 30-06. Since he already reloads for his 3 Garands and 2 1903's, the 30-06 was the way to go.

Different kind of enfield we are talking about. You are talking about a M-1917 action which is a mauser action. We are talking about a #1 mk 3 or #4 Mk Enfield action, BIG Difference.
When I first read your post I thought to myself, "ouch, That is like being an EOD tech hand disabling an IED, you never know when it might go off" because .30-06 through a SMLE or #4 Mk 1 action would be just like that, eventually it will fail and go BOOM.

to the OP: Handloading is the best bet or buy a Ishapore .308 Enfield

Mike A
04-15-2010, 6:29 AM
Reload. There's nothing a .308 can do that a .303 reload can't. Except use cheap surplus .308 bullets. (And that, gentlemen, is why God made wheelweights).

Nodda Duma
04-15-2010, 7:50 AM
Different kind of enfield we are talking about. You are talking about a M-1917 action which is a mauser action.

Isn't the M1917 an Enfield action which borrowed Mauser features?. That's why it's referred to as an M1917 Enfield.

The M1903 Springfield is a Mauser action rifle.

-Jason

The Custard Pirate
04-15-2010, 10:19 AM
Only the No. IV and No. V Enfields are strong enough to convert to .308, the No.1s are not. The Indian Ishapore No.1 MkIIIs that are in Cal 7.62 were redesigned and manufactured with stronger steel.

Any gunsmith can re barrel a No. IV to .308. E R Shaw can supply threaded barrels for No IVs; http://www.ershawbarrels.com/custom.asp

gunn
04-15-2010, 11:06 AM
I thought the Ishapore enfields could only handle 7.62NATO and could/would kaboom with commercial 308 win loads.
Is this true?

-g

smle-man
04-15-2010, 11:40 AM
No.

bigstick61
04-15-2010, 3:18 PM
Only the No. IV and No. V Enfields are strong enough to convert to .308, the No.1s are not. The Indian Ishapore No.1 MkIIIs that are in Cal 7.62 were redesigned and manufactured with stronger steel.

Any gunsmith can re barrel a No. IV to .308. E R Shaw can supply threaded barrels for No IVs; http://www.ershawbarrels.com/custom.asp

The Australians actually did conversions of their No.1s and No.6s (No.1 in a No.5 configuration) to .308. The project was abandoned because the FN came out and also because a percentage of the guns converted eventually failed to withstand the pressures, but many did not. Seems it was hit or miss as to which could take it, which is never a good situation when you intend to convert all of the weapons to equip the military.

Steveo
04-15-2010, 4:27 PM
Cheapest way to shoot a .303 Enfield is to reload, as others have mentioned. HOWEVER, no one has said anything about the fairly common conversion to 7.62x54R. Certainly some plentiful and cheap ammo out there, here's some info on doing this conversion:
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15606&highlight=62x54+enfield
If it were me, I'd start reloading for .303, an easy entry into a very rewarding hobby. If reloading doesn't work for you and you want to shoot alot and spend the least amount of $ on ammo, get a gun that shoots cheaper ammo.

bigstick61
04-15-2010, 8:18 PM
If only I could afford what I needed to reload...

The sad thing is that I usually can find ammo for less than the cost to reload it (without even factoring the equipment I'd need), especially if I have to get new brass (as everything I have is Berdan primed, and that kind of primer is hard to find these days; this is actually the case with almost all of my calibers); that kind of makes it not worth the money and effort, especially since I can't really afford to buy more ammo anyways.:(

Noonanda
04-15-2010, 8:30 PM
Isn't the M1917 an Enfield action which borrowed Mauser features?. That's why it's referred to as an M1917 Enfield.

The M1903 Springfield is a Mauser action rifle.

-Jason

You know you might be right, but I just looked at Wikipedia it list this
Great Britain began development of a new rifle and cartridge copying many of the features of the Mauser system. This development included a front locking, dual lug bolt action with Mauser type claw extractor as well as a new, powerful rimless cartridge of .276 caliber.

and here it says that the receiver is for the most part a Mauser copy
While developed at the same arsenal, the M1917 is not a version of the .303 caliber rifle of c. 1890-1955, the Lee-Enfield (such as the SMLE version). Both were developed at the Royal Small Arms Factory at Enfield (arsenal) in the United Kingdom. The M1917 was actually a development of the Mauser 98 rifle. Due to the use of rimmed cartridges in the P14, the magazine capacity for the smaller diameter 30-06 was 6 rounds, although stripper clips held only five cartridges.

The action was used as the basis for a variety of commercial and gunsmith-made sporting rifles between the world wars and after; Remington Arms redesigned it, removing the "ears" and changing it to cock-on-open, to become the Remington Model 30 series of rifles in the interwar period. Some (approximately 3000) M1917 rifles were produced in 7 mm and sold to Honduras around 1930. Additional surplus rifles were bought by European arms distributors and converted to 8x57 Mauser, then sold for use in the civil war in Spain during the 1930s.

mj1
04-16-2010, 7:43 AM
.308 #5T

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/9954e987.jpg

I shot this at Bisley, amazing rifle.

Quiet
04-16-2010, 8:02 AM
Is it bad/wrong that I still haven't gotten around to shooting this. :o

7.62x51mm Sterling conversion, Enfield No4 Mk I
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_I88A6C5UfDU/S8iIcrm_obI/AAAAAAAADfY/wOsVh88lu1o/s640/CIMG0776.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_I88A6C5UfDU/S8iIegdKYFI/AAAAAAAADfs/5eKvBkPiG1Q/s640/CIMG0801.JPG

FMJBT
04-16-2010, 1:57 PM
Nice L-42! Can I have it? :D

bigstick61
04-16-2010, 6:39 PM
.308 #5T

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/9954e987.jpg

I shot this at Bisley, amazing rifle.

Very nice. I would like to convert a No. 5 to this configuration (sans the scope; irons for me). Neat thing about that is that when combined with the king screw sling swivel (or the Uncle Mike's I have on my .303 attached to the loop forward of the mag), a Ching sling, and a butt cuff (or something similar), the .308 No.5 meets the criteria to be considered a genuine scout rifle.

smle-man
04-16-2010, 8:20 PM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/P7150008.jpg

#4mk1 with CAL 7.62mm barrel

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/4m12762-2.jpg

#4mk1/2 with AJ Parker 7.62mm barrel and AJ Parker front and rear target sights; #8 butt stock

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/4mk2762.jpg

#4 mk2 with DCRA 7.62mm barrel

Fine shooters all but not as nice as MJ's collection!

FS00008
04-16-2010, 8:49 PM
So what gunsmith in the bay area would do a 7.62x54R conversion on my No. 1 Mk III?

If I could get it converted cheaply/easily I'd keep it!

bigstick61
04-18-2010, 12:05 AM
Only the No. IV and No. V Enfields are strong enough to convert to .308, the No.1s are not. The Indian Ishapore No.1 MkIIIs that are in Cal 7.62 were redesigned and manufactured with stronger steel.

Any gunsmith can re barrel a No. IV to .308. E R Shaw can supply threaded barrels for No IVs; http://www.ershawbarrels.com/custom.asp

Their site doesn't include any Lee-Enfields on the list of weapons they make barrels for.

The Custard Pirate
04-18-2010, 10:31 PM
Look in the Gunsmithing Services menu under Barrel installation.


http://www.ershawbarrels.com/barrel_install.asp

FMJBT
04-18-2010, 11:44 PM
Only the No. IV and No. V Enfields are strong enough to convert to .308, the No.1s are not. The Indian Ishapore No.1 MkIIIs that are in Cal 7.62 were redesigned and manufactured with stronger steel.

Any gunsmith can re barrel a No. IV to .308. E R Shaw can supply threaded barrels for No IVs; http://www.ershawbarrels.com/custom.asp

The No.4 action is arguably running right at the edge with some commercial 308 loads. 7.62 NATO is generally loaded to less pressure than commercial 308, and is probably further inside the margin of safety to fire through these old actions. Keep in mind also that rear locking lug actions are traditionally not known for their ability to handle high pressure loads. The Remington 788 had a rear locking action similar in concept to the Enfield, and was plagued with problems on models chambered in harder recoiling rounds, including the 308. The reason for this is because the compressive forces from the base of the cartridge act along the full length of the bolt. Forward locking lug designs like the Mauser place only a short section of the bolt under these forces. The larger volume of steel on rear locking designs allows for more compression than the relatively short affected length of a forward locking lug design. This will compound any issues with excessive headspace, as the headspace will become even greater under recoil, potentially allowing a case rupture.

I've actually done quite a bit of research into this as I had an old No.4 converted to 308 several years ago. The conversion is basically a poor mans L-42. It's been rebarreled with an Adams and Bennett F-54 contour 308 barrel with 1-10" twist. Magazine well was opened up to accept standard M-14 mags. Opening up the magwell for these mags interestingly enough required nearly identical machine work as the original conversions with the Sterling mags. This is also another thing that detracts from the actions ability to handle high pressure loads, as the metal removed from the action for mag clearance is in an area that will see stress under recoil. I have noticed a bit of increase in headspace since the original conversion. I make it a habit to check it about every 100 rounds or so. Once I noticed that it was closing on the Go gauge a bit easier, I decided to take it easy on the rifle and now I only shoot lighter weight bullets in factory loadings. The Remington "Managed Recoil" rounds work pretty well. With handloads I run heavier bullets, up to 175 grain HPBT's, but at reduced powder charges. I'll run these loads at the initial suggested starting point on the powder manufacturers load guides, but not much higher. Long range performance can still be obtained, at least out to around 800 yards or so. I won't load anything hot enough for 1000 yard shooting out of this rifle though.

Third one down:
http://forums.hybridz.org/uploads/500/med_Enfields001.jpg

Standard 303 magwell:
http://forums.hybridz.org/uploads/500/med_303_Enfield.JPG

Modified 308 conversion after milling (Note adapter at front of magwell with lug for M-14 mags)
http://forums.hybridz.org/uploads/500/med_308_Enfield.JPG

Haggar85
04-20-2010, 7:20 AM
or you could get the little 32.acp sleeves i think they are like 10-15 a pop but it would be really cheap.
usually i would not be looking up so some thing falling would hit the top of my head.

smle-man
04-20-2010, 8:56 PM
I didn't do any receiver modification to my #4s for the 7.62mm magazine. Just seated them with a good smack to the bottom of the case and all was well. They feed fine. I even used an Ishapore 2A magazine. Fits and feeds fine.

FMJBT
04-20-2010, 9:29 PM
I didn't do any receiver modification to my #4s for the 7.62mm magazine. Just seated them with a good smack to the bottom of the case and all was well. They feed fine. I even used an Ishapore 2A magazine. Fits and feeds fine.

Does yours use the Sterling mags? Reading through my Ian Skennerton conversion book again, I think I got the Enfield and Sterling mags mixed up. Sterling does not require milling on mag well of the action, but the Enfield conversions (L-8 and L-42) did require relief cuts for the magazine feed lips.

Either way, I still maintain that it is a good idea to check headspace on these converted rifles often. I'm still holding out hope that one day they will find a way to import the AIA M-10 series of rifles into the U.S. I've lusted after these for years:
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/images/N4M4-Left-L.jpg
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/index.shtm

bigstick61
04-20-2010, 10:26 PM
Does yours use the Sterling mags? Reading through my Ian Skennerton conversion book again, I think I got the Enfield and Sterling mags mixed up. Sterling does not require milling on mag well of the action, but the Enfield conversions (L-8 and L-42) did require relief cuts for the magazine feed lips.

Either way, I still maintain that it is a good idea to check headspace on these converted rifles often. I'm still holding out hope that one day they will find a way to import the AIA M-10 series of rifles into the U.S. I've lusted after these for years:
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/images/N4M4-Left-L.jpg
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/index.shtm

You should give it a shot and try to import one from Australia or Canada. I got my Form 6 approved but my financial situation changed and I had to back out of buying one (I was going to get their lightweight model, I think it was called the B3). It is quite expensive to import a rifle between shipping, fees, the dealer, and the customs broker; it's a lot on top. I never realized how expensive it is to ship a gun internationally and most carriers said no.

smle-man
04-21-2010, 5:59 PM
Does yours use the Sterling mags? Reading through my Ian Skennerton conversion book again, I think I got the Enfield and Sterling mags mixed up. Sterling does not require milling on mag well of the action, but the Enfield conversions (L-8 and L-42) did require relief cuts for the magazine feed lips.

Either way, I still maintain that it is a good idea to check headspace on these converted rifles often. I'm still holding out hope that one day they will find a way to import the AIA M-10 series of rifles into the U.S. I've lusted after these for years:
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/images/N4M4-Left-L.jpg
http://www.storm.ca/~aiarms/index.shtm


My first conversion used a Sterling magazine. I traded the Sterling mag to a guy in Canada for an original Enfield magazine. All three 7.62 rifles now have Enfield pattern magazines with the integral ejector tab. Two are Charnwood reproductions and one is an original Enfield. The Ishapore 2A magazine fits perfectly although a bit of the case has to be removed at the top front to allow the rounds to feed without drag.

Headspace is still fine in all three.