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blkA4alb
02-18-2006, 10:04 PM
hey guys whats the deal with getting an FAL lower reciever, is it possible to get one? would it be worth getting one or will it not be put on the updated list making it a paper weight?

C.G.
02-18-2006, 10:50 PM
hey guys whats the deal with getting an FAL lower reciever, is it possible to get one? would it be worth getting one or will it not be put on the updated list making it a paper weight?

Imbels can not be imported anymore, you can only buy from a private party. DSAs are available and also Entreprise, but supposedly the latest batch has not been the best. Nodakspud will start selling sometime in the future. As to whether it'll end up on the list, your guess is as good as mine.

icormba
02-18-2006, 11:44 PM
FAL "LOWER" receivers are easy to get and Cheap! plus you don't need an FFL ;)

BUT the FAL uppers do need an FFL and are getting more expensive as each day goes by.

VERY FUN rifles even in it's California neutered state.

Rumpled
02-18-2006, 11:51 PM
Do some searching here. You'll see all the details you need on receivers, parts and compliance.
If you want the whole mind boggling picture, check out www.falfiles.com

But as far as CA, yeah legal, just gotta go pistol grip less or fix the mag (hint, fix the mag)

blkA4alb
02-18-2006, 11:53 PM
how come the lowers dont need an FFL, theyre the "gun", and what do you mean by neutered state? would i have to fix the mag? any idea how much im looking at to complete one?

Guinness
02-19-2006, 12:01 AM
Entreprise, but supposedly the latest batch has not been the best.


Dont tell me that, my type I from Entreprise in in DROS right now.. will let you guys know what it looks like when I pick it up next week...

Guinness
02-19-2006, 12:04 AM
how come the lowers dont need an FFL, theyre the "gun",


Actually, the upper is the receiver on the FAL.. its not like the AR's..

So the upper is the FFL part of the weapon.. The lowers are like what was said before.. everywhere..

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 12:05 AM
Dont tell me that, my type I from Entreprise in in DROS right now.. will let you guys know what it looks like when I pick it up next week...
how much did you pay for it? you know you want to sell it to me:D

C.G.
02-19-2006, 12:47 AM
FAL "LOWER" receivers are easy to get and Cheap! plus you don't need an FFL ;)

BUT the FAL uppers do need an FFL and are getting more expensive as each day goes by.

VERY FUN rifles even in it's California neutered state.

Drats, I didn't catch that.:eek:

C.G.
02-19-2006, 12:51 AM
Dont tell me that, my type I from Entreprise in in DROS right now.. will let you guys know what it looks like when I pick it up next week...

Don't worry, yours is a rifle made in the factory; they did all the fitting. It is a different story when you are trying to build one from scratch and have to do extra work on the receiver to make it fit.

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 1:03 AM
well hell if i could get a complete one that would be even better. i thought id have to build it, buying it would be easier. im guessing theyre fairly hard to come by and therefor expensive correct?

Guinness
02-19-2006, 8:52 AM
Don't worry, yours is a rifle made in the factory; they did all the fitting. It is a different story when you are trying to build one from scratch and have to do extra work on the receiver to make it fit.

Ouch!.. thats what Im doing!:D Im just getting them to barrel and headspace the receiver!.. (My lower is ready to be built up yet.. have to do some clean up on it!)..

Your not making me feel better here C.G.! ;)

Guinness
02-19-2006, 8:56 AM
well hell if i could get a complete one that would be even better. i thought id have to build it, buying it would be easier. im guessing theyre fairly hard to come by and therefor expensive correct?

I paid $329 + $25 DROS for it.. I was lucky enough that Lily at Entreprise held one for me beacuse they are out of type I's now.. and the type III's will be out sometime in the springtime..

You can buy a complete rifle from Entreprise or DSA but personally they are pricy for what you can build them for..

Check out the Entreprsie web site for prices....

http://www.entreprise.com/

Turbinator
02-19-2006, 10:27 AM
Anyone got a copy of that DIY fixed 10 round magazine article? The web site seems to be GONE.. I searched Calguns far and wide, plus FAL Files, and no luck.

Help?

Turby

C.G.
02-19-2006, 11:45 AM
Ouch!.. thats what Im doing!:D Im just getting them to barrel and headspace the receiver!.. (My lower is ready to be built up yet.. have to do some clean up on it!)..

Your not making me feel better here C.G.! ;)

Here is where I got the info:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=160747

C.G.
02-19-2006, 11:47 AM
Anyone got a copy of that DIY fixed 10 round magazine article? The web site seems to be GONE.. I searched Calguns far and wide, plus FAL Files, and no luck.

Help?

Turby
There you go, Turby:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050306151743/http://www.webshooters.org/diy_california_fal.htm

Guinness
02-19-2006, 12:06 PM
Anyone got a copy of that DIY fixed 10 round magazine article? The web site seems to be GONE.. I searched Calguns far and wide, plus FAL Files, and no luck.

Help?

Turby

Another thing I've heard of (and with out the drilling and tapping) is guys are putting rolled pins in the spring of the mag release.. You have to disassemble the mag relase to get to the pin making it a "fixed mag"..

Just a thought..

Guinness
02-19-2006, 12:07 PM
Here is where I got the info:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=160747


I'll have to inspect it well when I pick it up.. I have a type III on my first build and its real clean and smooth to shoot. Hope it was just a bad run of receivers that guy got.. Will let you guys know next week..

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 12:54 PM
geez, quite expensive. i was hopin for them to be in the 600-800 range, not 1200-1500. the california legal ones that enterprise sells have a fixed mag, is there any chance those would get on the list so that you could make it removable?

C.G.
02-19-2006, 1:09 PM
the california legal ones that enterprise sells have a fixed mag, is there any chance those would get on the list so that you could make it removable?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Guinness
02-19-2006, 1:14 PM
I actually asked Lily (of Entreprise) if they thought the FAL's would be added to the CA DOJ list, and they didnt think so. CA Models are expensive to buy complete. Building it your self isnt as expensive, lower parts kits can still be found for a decent price right now.. You can part out the build to if your not sure about barreling and headspacing (like I did).. then throw it together and dura coat it... and bam..

My first build..

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/Guinness71/CAFALinSOCOM.jpg

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 1:31 PM
thats pretty awesome looking. so the upper i would need to be shipped to an FFL, all the other parts i can have shipped to my door. how hard is it to build one myself?

SI-guru
02-19-2006, 1:44 PM
My DSA tactical FAL :D

http://www.hunt101.com/img/321850-big.JPG

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 1:47 PM
so i assume you guys have the mags fixed, so is it easy to load? worth the money on a chance that it would get on the list?

Mesa Tactical
02-19-2006, 1:54 PM
so i assume you guys have the mags fixed, so is it easy to load? worth the money on a chance that it would get on the list?

You load from the top, just like an SKS. Fast and easy, especially with stripper clips.

No one knows what's going to be on the list in the future. It doesn't matter really with FALs, as unlike ARs and AKs they are very fast and easy to reload with a fixed magazine. It's surprising we don't see more of them in California (for that matter, it's surprising we don't see a LOT more SKSes).

SI-guru
02-19-2006, 1:55 PM
It's ok with those 5 round stripper clips. But after I got my Springfield SOCOM, I really don't care much about the DSA anymore.

blkA4alb
02-19-2006, 2:16 PM
hmm, that doesnt sound so bad. i stripper clip load my sks and its fine. i obviously would just prefer removable mags. can you get 10 round stripper clips for the FAL?

laabstract
02-19-2006, 3:38 PM
hmm, that doesnt sound so bad. i stripper clip load my sks and its fine. i obviously would just prefer removable mags. can you get 10 round stripper clips for the FAL?

yes you can my FAL doesnt like the 5 round stripper clips :mad:

RobT2K
02-19-2006, 3:56 PM
Hey 3par- Nice FAL, where did you get the cheek rest piece? Is it adjustable?

I figure if I'm to put any kind of optic on mine I need to get something for the very low buttstock. I'm surprised I don't see more FALs with them, I always see the optics mounted very high compared to the buttstock height.

SI-guru
02-19-2006, 4:21 PM
That's a DSA X-stock with an ITC cheekrest. The padding can be adjusted but that's all you can do.
One word of caution, don't use the NSN ACOG like I tried in that picture. The BDC is not correct and the eye relief is way too short :p .

But frankly, is there anything the FAL can do that is SOCOM can't ? It's much lighter and have detechable mags.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/305244-big.JPG

DSA_FAL
02-19-2006, 7:31 PM
Here's the link to DSA's Cal legal FAL page: http://www.dsarms.com/catalog-list.cfm?Category=01&Subcat=SA58%20California%20Models&storeid=1
I own the one with the bull barrel.

RobT2K
02-19-2006, 8:37 PM
But frankly, is there anything the FAL can do that is SOCOM can't ? It's much lighter and have detechable mags.

So does that mean you'll be selling your FAL anytime soon?

SI-guru
02-19-2006, 9:27 PM
Nope. Sorry.

hiyabrad
02-20-2006, 1:22 AM
How do you load the things once you have fixed the mag in place?

CalExile
02-20-2006, 4:57 AM
I have a DSArms FAL, an Enterprise FAL, and a Century Arms FAL. The DSArms gun is by far the best of the three. The Enterprise looks like a well made bubba gun and the Century was garbage until extensive work was done. It had a bent gas piston, the trigger group looked like it had been machined with a Dremel, and had cheap, poorly fitting furniture. My DSArms FAL is almost as solid as my M1A. If you want a weapon you would be proud to grab when the Chinese paratroopers start hitting the deck, the DSA FAL is a strong contender in my opinion.

gunshack
02-20-2006, 9:11 AM
Odds are the FALs will not be listed as they are not "series" weapons. The only receivers not allowed in CA are the FN made ones.

Guinness mentioned this earlier: To pin the magazine on the ones I build I just take some 0.04" thick wire and cut a piece to 0.45" long. Slip that piece into the spring and wrestle in while the magazine is in place. It helps if you have the screw and the bolt-hold-open all ready in place too.

Since you need to disassemble part of the gun to take the magazine out, this seems to be a "little more legal" to me. Another benefit is that no permanent mods are made to any part of the rifle.

Here's my STG/DSA that I built... I'll continue to procrastinate on the paint, though.:rolleyes:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/gunshack/STG-58.jpg

hiyabrad
02-20-2006, 9:41 AM
Very sweet pic!

Can anyone tell me how you re-load the weapon once the mag is fixed in place?

Mesa Tactical
02-20-2006, 9:55 AM
Can anyone tell me how you re-load the weapon once the mag is fixed in place?

Read the thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=229940&postcount=25

hiyabrad
02-20-2006, 10:44 AM
Thank you sir!

gunshack
02-20-2006, 10:58 AM
How do you load the things once you have fixed the mag in place?

DSA and Tapco have stripper guide receiver covers, which make loading the FAL as easy as loading a SKS. I don't care for the way they look, though. As you can see in my photo I have the standard cover (on both of my FALs,) so I have to feed the rounds into the magazine one by one through the ejection port. Not the most effective way to do it in a battle situation, but this isn't my main battle rifle anyway... Nothing can displace my M1A from holding that distinction! :D

blkA4alb
02-20-2006, 11:34 AM
great...now i have to come up with at least another grand to get one of these awesome FALs, and i still have to build the ARs and the AK:rolleyes:

icormba
02-20-2006, 11:35 PM
sweet... it turns to another FAL pic thread!! yeah!! ;)

built my self for ~$616.95

http://www.m1garand.net/M1Pics/Chris/FAL/Image3.jpg

hiyabrad
02-21-2006, 12:18 AM
Please do tell the specs, parts, etc., on your beautiful FAL.

C.G.
02-21-2006, 8:06 AM
sweet... it turns to another FAL pic thread!! yeah!! ;)

built my self for ~$616.95



With the cost of parts going up you wouldn't be able to do it that cheaply anymore; unless you had parts stashed from long ago.

Pryde
02-21-2006, 8:55 AM
Hooray for CA-FAL showoff!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/sickeness/fal.jpg

Imbel kit on Imbel receiver, 17.35" barrel, Para Rear Sight, Penguin Buttstock and PG, Folding Charging Handle, In dire need of refinish. :)

gunshack
02-21-2006, 12:26 PM
Ok, I had to go take a picture of my Imbel/Imbel GL. It's not painted either, and the jury is still out on the fugly Century butt stock... It's a compliance part anyway.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/gunshack/Imbel.jpg

Pablo
02-21-2006, 2:43 PM
sweet... it turns to another FAL pic thread!! yeah!! ;)

built my self for ~$616.95

http://www.m1garand.net/M1Pics/Chris/FAL/Image3.jpg

Dude, yours is one of the hottest FALs I have seen!!! ;)

highlandr
02-21-2006, 6:12 PM
sweet... it turns to another FAL pic thread!! yeah!! ;)

built my self for ~$616.95

http://www.m1garand.net/M1Pics/Chris/FAL/Image3.jpg

Chris -

Very nice! Is she a true Izzy light barrel?
Please break her down to the parts you used. Would love to know.
Thanks.

/ :cool:

icormba
02-22-2006, 4:36 PM
With the cost of parts going up you wouldn't be able to do it that cheaply anymore; unless you had parts stashed from long ago.

Unfortunatly true :(


This one was a total mix-master...

South African kit $150.00 (+$100 today!)
imbel upper $250.00 (+$100-$200 today!)
Israeli stock set $99.00

u.s. parts $117.95 (same price today)
DSA hammer/trigger/sear
grip
mag floor plate & follower
U.S. fake belgian muzzle device
U.S. charging handle. (for 1 extra part)

labor $0.00 (tools extra!)

total $616.95

ok, so I was off by $5.00...
throw in a can of dubli-color high temp engine paint! ;)


I estimate my STG-58 build will cost around $690... still just under $700. I did buy the STG kit back in August and just got the DSA uppers last month (FINALLY!). My Dad's T48 copy will be around $625 as we already had the kit for that one too.

Guinness
02-23-2006, 6:23 PM
Well, I picked up my Type I today from Entreprise after the DROS and having it barreled with a DSA Stainless carbine - Im happy to say, the Type I looks good!. No complaints here for the quality and workmanship.. and it looks good with the 16' stainless!..

Will let you guys know how the fit and finish is once I assemble it..

The Tick
02-23-2006, 6:36 PM
My DSa reciver is in the mail today! I am going to buid an STG58. I got all the parts and cant wait.

hiyabrad
02-23-2006, 10:53 PM
My DSa reciver is in the mail today! I am going to buid an STG58. I got all the parts and cant wait.

How long did it take DSa to ship your receiver from when you ordered? Also, can you tell us about your build, what parts kit, etc?

Thanks

Leo762
02-23-2006, 11:14 PM
i guess i will post mine too

i love FALs, they are too accurate! i have been shooting mil surp for many years and go pretty good using iron sights of K98s, 91/30s, M39s etc at 200m, with the FAL its nothing! i steel plates at 200m get 10 out of 10 if i dont flinch - standing

here is my STG

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7317/80cl.jpg

some advice, if you are going to build, dont use century parts, their stocks are unusable, their grips are weird and uncomfortable - dont know about the handguards.

the "stripper clip" receiver cover scope mounts are good, pretty stable and keep zero, except you cant use stripper clips when the scope is off, they jam up - at least for me.
i ordered the dsa reciver cover and some 10 round s/c, well see how that stuff works

this is my other one, also STG kit, the barrel was pretty much unfired, with a scope i got a 1.5 inch group at 200m, they strung a little left for some reason, maybe just got lucky? i dont know

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4929/p71700302kw.jpg

i also want a para, i have an arg barrel that i will have cut and threaded, it will be like a DSA "congo" version

a while ago someone was selling converted 20 - > 10 round mags, i should have got a couple, they look so much better

madkiwi
02-23-2006, 11:30 PM
I (well, my FFL) got my StG-58 in from Rich @ CGW Guns on Tuesday. Pick it up on the 3rd.

http://www.madkiwi.org/madkiwi/fal.jpg


http://www.madkiwi.org/madkiwi/fal2.jpg

The receiver is not really that ugly, it had a lot of oil on it (look carefully and you can see where the oil stained the foam in the case). Color is charcoal parkerized except for the plastic and the anodized Tapco top cover, but the flash made it look very light grey.

It is a StG kit from FSE USA (now out of stock), a DSA type I receiver, ARS-made Stolle type flash-hider, Penguin pistol grip, DSA H/T/S, DSA semi-only safety, Tapco top cover and a Falcon floorplate in the magazine.

Including Rich's build and refinishing it's a lot more than $616. A LOT more, but I only purchased the kit in December. At $350 it wasn't cheap, but Rich said it was one of the nicest kits he'd seen. Bore looked virtually new. Receiver was $375 from Rich, luckily he had one in stock as I had been waiting for a type II from DSA and didn't know when it was going to arrive.

I actually have that type II receiver now, plan on another build, this time with an Imbel kit and I will have the rifle Duracoated or CenTac finished maybe in OD or even in a camo (I like the urban digital and MARPAT). That will be even more expensive.

I heard that DSA is out of receivers again. Supposedly will have more type IIs next month. Bit of a crapshoot with them, mine took 6 weeks, but others have waited 2 months or more. Only God knows when or if they will ever have type III receivers.

Leo762
02-24-2006, 4:52 PM
madkiwi, did you keep the stoll device on whe you got it into cali? it seems like a shady area in terms of legality, where did you get the info that its ok to use it? i would love to put an original one on mine but been trying to find more info about it.

C.G.
02-24-2006, 5:18 PM
I (well, my FFL) got my StG-58 in from Rich @ CGW Guns on Tuesday. Pick it up on the 3rd.

http://www.madkiwi.org/madkiwi/fal.jpg


http://www.madkiwi.org/madkiwi/fal2.jpg

The receiver is not really that ugly, it had a lot of oil on it (look carefully and you can see where the oil stained the foam in the case). Color is charcoal parkerized except for the plastic and the anodized Tapco top cover, but the flash made it look very light grey.

It is a StG kit from FSE USA (now out of stock), a DSA type I receiver, ARS-made Stolle type flash-hider, Penguin pistol grip, DSA H/T/S, DSA semi-only safety, Tapco top cover and a Falcon floorplate in the magazine.

Including Rich's build and refinishing it's a lot more than $616. A LOT more, but I only purchased the kit in December. At $350 it wasn't cheap, but Rich said it was one of the nicest kits he'd seen. Bore looked virtually new. Receiver was $375 from Rich, luckily he had one in stock as I had been waiting for a type II from DSA and didn't know when it was going to arrive.

I actually have that type II receiver now, plan on another build, this time with an Imbel kit and I will have the rifle Duracoated or CenTac finished maybe in OD or even in a camo (I like the urban digital and MARPAT). That will be even more expensive.

I heard that DSA is out of receivers again. Supposedly will have more type IIs next month. Bit of a crapshoot with them, mine took 6 weeks, but others have waited 2 months or more. Only God knows when or if they will ever have type III receivers.

+1 on the FSE kit. After I got the first one it was so nice that I went out and bought a second one. Both look unfired.
BTW- Nice FAL!:)

icormba
02-24-2006, 7:48 PM
I (well, my FFL) got my StG-58 in from Rich @ CGW Guns on Tuesday. Pick it up on the 3rd.

I only purchased the kit in December. At $350 it wasn't cheap, but Rich said it was one of the nicest kits he'd seen. Bore looked virtually new. Receiver was $375 from Rich, luckily he had one in stock as I had been waiting for a type II from DSA and didn't know when it was going to arrive.

mine took 6 weeks, but others have waited 2 months or more.


$350 for a excellent STG kit was a great price back in Dec.!! heck... for excellent condition... $350 was almost the norm over summer. You did GREAT! and at $375 for the receiver! Rich almost gave it to you at dealer cost! That's awesome customer service! plus your STG-58 looks SWEET!!
I hope mine will look as good.

madkiwi
02-25-2006, 9:12 AM
madkiwi, did you keep the stoll device on whe you got it into cali? it seems like a shady area in terms of legality, where did you get the info that its ok to use it? i would love to put an original one on mine but been trying to find more info about it.

Notice where I said "ARS made Stolle type"? I got it from gunthings.com.

The Arizona Response Systems FH is an exact duplicate of the Stolle except for 2 crucial differences. First, it is 22.5mm in diameter so 22mm rifle grenades don't fit. Now I have no way of checking this because I don't have any 22mm rifle grenades lying around, but I will take their word for it.

Second, it does not have the grenade retention spring.

Plus I get to count the US made ARS flash hider as a BATF compliance part.

If you are worried about it being a flash suppressor, you do know it is fine to have one on a non-AW, right?

madkiwi

Leo762
02-25-2006, 10:56 AM
Notice where I said "ARS made Stolle type"? I got it from gunthings.com.

The Arizona Response Systems FH is an exact duplicate of the Stolle except for 2 crucial differences. First, it is 22.5mm in diameter so 22mm rifle grenades don't fit. Now I have no way of checking this because I don't have any 22mm rifle grenades lying around, but I will take their word for it.

Second, it does not have the grenade retention spring.

Plus I get to count the US made ARS flash hider as a BATF compliance part.

If you are worried about it being a flash suppressor, you do know it is fine to have one on a non-AW, right?

madkiwi

right on dude,

if you look at my second pic, its a long flash suppressor

im going to get my one of those stoll ones though, looks great

C.G.
02-25-2006, 11:19 AM
If you are worried about it being a flash suppressor, you do know it is fine to have one on a non-AW, right?

madkiwi

As long as the mag is fixed.

anotherted
02-25-2006, 1:26 PM
i

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4929/p71700302kw.jpg




Daddy like. :D

laabstract
02-25-2006, 1:50 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=482&d=1140904195Daddy like. :D

nice to see a fellow pasadena shooter.

here is my FAL and other a couple other toys

The Tick
02-25-2006, 7:46 PM
DSA shipped after 2 weeks. I ordered an type II.

I bout my kit from DSA. I wish FSE still had them. Bright bore good rifling. Very good finish. Non matching serial numbers. The bolt and dust cover were brand new.

I am sending it off to Rich as I do not want to mess up the headspacing.

I will post pictures when complete in about 3 weeks

I cant wait!

madkiwi
02-25-2006, 10:10 PM
DSA shipped after 2 weeks. I ordered an type II.

I bout my kit from DSA. I wish FSE still had them. Bright bore good rifling. Very good finish. Non matching serial numbers. The bolt and dust cover were brand new.

I am sending it off to Rich as I do not want to mess up the headspacing.

I will post pictures when complete in about 3 weeks

I cant wait!

Mine had awesome finish (and matching serial numbers) but it doesn't matter when Rich refinishes it anyway.

I have a second FSE-sourced StG kit, but I foolishly gave it to my wife as a Christmas present. So my next build has to be an Imbel. Rich says if I want to have a custom Duracoat anyway...

Leo,

I see you have one of those Stolle type muzzle brakes (fake flash-hider) that DSA sells on your first rifle. Gunthings is showing the Stolle flash hider as Out of stock right now. I am pretty sure it is made by Arizona Response Systems but they don't show it on their own website. Good luck with finding one.

C.G.

Yes, my mag is fixed so it is not an AW. (I know you are clarifying for possible noobies who might be reading this thread)

madkiwi

Ravenslair
02-25-2006, 10:16 PM
The FAL is a great rifle. I had Rich @ CGW build mine. He does a great job. FAL's just like to hit what you point them at. You will be looking at roughly $1000 for the kit, receiver, required parts and construction if you have it built for you. Well worth the money for a great rifle.

Leo762
02-26-2006, 12:00 AM
thanks madkiwi, i contacted gunplumber from ars, hopefully we has some more.

check out fal files for a great deal on imbel kits if you dont have one yet, i may get one for spare parts

blkA4alb
02-26-2006, 12:11 AM
not trying to interrupt the awesome discussion, but i never thought my little post about an FAL would get THIS much response:). 65 posts i think it is, keep it up guys! and remember, the more pictures the merrier (girls with guns is a plus;))

The Tick
02-26-2006, 11:26 AM
How are you all going to lfix your mag?

C.G.
02-26-2006, 11:51 AM
How are you all going to lfix your mag?

http://web.archive.org/web/20050306151743/http://www.webshooters.org/diy_california_fal.htm

Leo762
02-26-2006, 2:04 PM
a dude at the gun store told me of a new way, i have not tried it but i have seen it. you take a BB, from a pellet gun or some #6 shot (i think it was 6, i cant remember) and stick it under the mag catch, it will stay there and be real tight, whenever you want to take the mag out you use a screwdriver to pop the BB out (so it is considered a "tool") it is a lot simpler and easier if you dont have a drill and a thread cutter.

however i dont know how secure it really is, no personal experiance, so i you have a new mag catch that isnt drilled out you can try it and tell us how well it holds up in action :)

the guy that told was in river city gun exchange on fruitridge in sac, you can ask them for more details.

C.G.
02-26-2006, 2:36 PM
a dude at the gun store told me of a new way, i have not tried it but i have seen it. you take a BB, from a pellet gun or some #6 shot (i think it was 6, i cant remember) and stick it under the mag catch, it will stay there and be real tight, whenever you want to take the mag out you use a screwdriver to pop the BB out (so it is considered a "tool") it is a lot simpler and easier if you dont have a drill and a thread cutter.

however i dont know how secure it really is, no personal experiance, so i you have a new mag catch that isnt drilled out you can try it and tell us how well it holds up in action :)

the guy that told was in river city gun exchange on fruitridge in sac, you can ask them for more details.

Personally, I would not take that approach.

Spica
02-26-2006, 2:42 PM
Guys, while we are in the subject of FALs can someone educate me on the difference between an Imbel kit and an Stg58 kit ?

I know that there is a difference in the country of origin, but is there anything else besides that ?

Thanks.

RobT2K
02-26-2006, 4:07 PM
I thought there was more than just putting a bb in there, I thought it was a combo of bb and short pin or thick wire inside the spring to keep it from compressing.

I never did get very clear directions, so I went with the drilled/tapped route. It seems more permanent looking also and with the set screw it definitely needs a tool to remove.

C.G.
02-26-2006, 4:34 PM
Guys, while we are in the subject of FALs can someone educate me on the difference between an Imbel kit and an Stg58 kit ?

I know that there is a difference in the country of origin, but is there anything else besides that ?

Thanks.

Imbel was built in Brazil; generally, but not always, the receiver was type III, the barrels were chrome-lined, and in some cases less accurate; some kits have seen a lot of use. STG was built in Austria; receivers are type I or II, barrels are not chrome-lined and generally more accurate.

madkiwi
02-26-2006, 5:24 PM
Imbel was built in Brazil; generally, but not always, the receiver was type III, the barrels were chrome-lined, and in some cases less accurate; some kits have seen a lot of use. STG was built in Austria; receivers are type I or II, barrels are not chrome-lined and generally more accurate.

Also-

StG came with a bipod and metal handguards, whereas the Imbels have no bipod and are plastic handguards.

StG receivers are machined, Imbel are investment cast.

StG is generally thought of as being the BMW of FALs, whereas the Imbels are the Fiats. Except Imbels keep working.

Ravenslair
02-26-2006, 7:08 PM
James' original experiment (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68486&perpage=30&pagenumber=1) over at FALFiles is reason enough to get a FAL.

C.G.
02-26-2006, 7:46 PM
Also-

StG came with a bipod and metal handguards, whereas the Imbels have no bipod and are plastic handguards.

StG receivers are machined, Imbel are investment cast.

StG is generally thought of as being the BMW of FALs, whereas the Imbels are the Fiats. Except Imbels keep working.

You are correct on most stuff, except that Imbel receivers were milled from a forging (not casting as you say):
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=156559&highlight=Imbel+receiver+cast+or+forged

fal_762x51
02-26-2006, 8:23 PM
Ravenslair, I think you gave a link to "Ole Dirty" correct? We don't want people knowing this about FALs; might raise the price. ;)

Draven
02-26-2006, 8:53 PM
Anything it can do that a SOCOM 16 can't?

Sure... if you build it up from a kit, its a heckuva lot cheaper than a SOCOM 16.

Ravenslair
02-26-2006, 9:08 PM
Ravenslair, I think you gave a link to "Ole Dirty" correct? We don't want people knowing this about FALs; might raise the price. ;)

You bet I am talking about "Ole Dirty". She is up to 10,800 rounds without a cleaning.

You are right, I better remove this post and my last with the link. I only have two FAL's and would rather not see the prices raise too much in case I want more ;)

Leo762
02-26-2006, 10:05 PM
Anything it can do that a SOCOM 16 can't?

Sure... if you build it up from a kit, its a heckuva lot cheaper than a SOCOM 16.

even if bought brand new it will be cheaper than a socom and cooler ;) :D

SI-guru
02-27-2006, 1:43 AM
I would have to agree on the cost.
But back to the "can" part, can you have a detechable mag on FAL post SB23 ? :rolleyes:

C.G.
02-27-2006, 1:45 AM
I would have to agree on the cost.
But back to the "can" part, can you have a detechable mag on FAL post SB23 ? :rolleyes:

Sure; take the grip and flash hider off.

SI-guru
02-27-2006, 1:48 AM
:D
Got me. Please do a demo for me next time you shoot that FAL with the grip off.
BTW, how do you hold your trigger plunger/spring ?

C.G.
02-27-2006, 10:21 AM
:D
Got me. Please do a demo for me next time you shoot that FAL with the grip off.
BTW, how do you hold your trigger plunger/spring ?

Personally, I don't like to shoot it without a pistol grip; but you can rest your thumb on the remaining stud.

Leo762
02-27-2006, 7:42 PM
yeah its weird

detachable mags are great but SHTF isnt coming so its not life and death, i dont mind a fixed mag, if SHTF, then you can unscrew teh screw and use a detach ;)

Rumpled
02-27-2006, 8:34 PM
Here's my Imbel.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/381950.JPG (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=381950&c=500&z=1)

I've taken over two years to collect all of the parts.
Now, I just need to finish my taxes so I can send it to Rich.

C.G.
02-27-2006, 8:39 PM
Here's my Imbel.



I've taken over two years to collect all of the parts.
Now, I just need to finish my taxes so I can send it to Rich.

South African?

Rumpled
02-27-2006, 8:55 PM
I thinks so. Like I said, it's been two years. I got it from gunthings.com hafta check the receipt.
I've got way too many projects going on (FAL, .50BMG, AR, AK, HK91?, ???)

-hanko
02-27-2006, 9:38 PM
South African?
SA without a doubt; they make a nice gun.

-hanko

highlandr
03-01-2006, 1:00 AM
Okay you guys.
Thanks for slapping me back to reality, and the beauty of the FAL. I've been so caught up in Black Rifle Fever lately that I completely abandoned my own FAL build project that was begun two years ago.

Now I'm revived and will resume putting together my STG and my Izzy HB.

And to think that I even began to get lured into thinking that I wanted an AK project....
If the (Ol' Dirty) FAL can handle dirt and water torture as well as the AK, then it's no contest.

/ :cool:

Lon Moer
03-01-2006, 11:20 AM
South African?
The paint identifies it as Rhodesian, but probably SA in origin.

The Tick
03-07-2006, 10:56 AM
Got my reciever today and shipped it out for the build

hiyabrad
03-07-2006, 11:15 AM
Who is doing the build for you?

The Tick
03-07-2006, 11:30 AM
Rich at CGW. He get great review fro FAL Files and he is close in NV

hiyabrad
03-07-2006, 11:33 AM
Are you having the mag release lever locked? If so, how does he do that part? A weld like DS Arms or a screw/bolt like lock?

madkiwi
03-07-2006, 12:17 PM
Are you having the mag release lever locked? If so, how does he do that part? A weld like DS Arms or a screw/bolt like lock?

Mine was with a locked mag release. Release was drilled and tapped, and a allen keyed set screw inserted.

Rich does the mod for $30. I had my brother do mine (on a milling machine with carbide bits) and he broke 2 taps inside the hole, requiring him to drill them out (breaking 3 bits) and a trip to his machine shop supply house for more bits, plus over 2 hours of work.

Another way to put it is that it would have been simpler to let Rich do it.

hiyabrad
03-07-2006, 12:45 PM
Can you post a pic of the mod? Thanks.

Guinness
03-07-2006, 1:27 PM
Just an FYI if your a home builder - Entreprise sells the tapped mag release for $40... I just completed my second build last week, they are pretty easy build up..

madkiwi
03-07-2006, 3:15 PM
Can you post a pic of the mod? Thanks.

Even better- http://web.archive.org/web/20050306151743/http://www.webshooters.org/diy_california_fal.htm

-hanko
03-07-2006, 8:18 PM
Even better- http://web.archive.org/web/20050306151743/http://www.webshooters.org/diy_california_fal.htm
Even mo' better:D ...http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=163934 check post 14 & the pic link on post 16; very elegant solutions & no broken taps

-hankko

Guinness
03-10-2006, 6:09 PM
Ok, heres the R1 Type Rhodesian I was working on.. built and waiting to be dura coated.. (when I get some time)..

Compliance parts with a DSA Stainless barrel and Entreprise Type I

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c269/Guinness71/R1A1build.jpg

mkinla
03-10-2006, 6:46 PM
Got a question for you guys, I just finished my imbel, and the shells are hitting the outside of the upper receiver right above the carrying lever and it's leaving tons of marks from the shell. I took it to Enterprise after shooting today because the sites are off and they said that was normal, I left the gun so I don't have a picture, but that sounds like b.s. to me....

BTW the FAL is amazing accurate, and for a 308 doesn't have that much kick....:D

laabstract
03-10-2006, 7:14 PM
Just an FYI if your a home builder - Entreprise sells the tapped mag release for $40... I just completed my second build last week, they are pretty easy build up..

How easy is it to get the barrel on the reciever? I heard it was tricky.

C.G.
03-10-2006, 7:38 PM
Got a question for you guys, I just finished my imbel, and the shells are hitting the outside of the upper receiver right above the carrying lever and it's leaving tons of marks from the shell. I took it to Enterprise after shooting today because the sites are off and they said that was normal, I left the gun so I don't have a picture, but that sounds like b.s. to me....

BTW the FAL is amazing accurate, and for a 308 doesn't have that much kick....:D

It is called brass kisses and yes, it is normal on a FAL. You do have to adjust your gas system for different ammo:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=149448&highlight=gas+setting

I suggest buying a sight tool for the front sight (price range $6-20) or use o-ring pliers, and the rear sight is adjusted with a screwdriver.

C.G.
03-10-2006, 7:57 PM
How easy is it to get the barrel on the reciever? I heard it was tricky.

You can read for yourself and decide:
http://wecsog.org/fal/

If you will only build one and don't have access to proper FAL specific tools, you are better off having a gunsmith, i. e. Rich at CGW, to build it for you.

Guinness
03-10-2006, 8:22 PM
How easy is it to get the barrel on the reciever? I heard it was tricky.

I had that barrel done by Entreprise (since I had a 10 day wait anyway for the DROS anyway)..

Like CG said, if your just doing one or two, its probably easier and cheaper to just have a smith do it and the headspace..

as for the rest of the build, it took less than an hour to strip, clean, oil and put back together..

Pryde
03-11-2006, 4:13 AM
If you're by enterprise, you should give larry hirota a call. He runs his business out in azusa which is like 10 minute drive from where entreprise is. He doesn't really advertise much but I've seen alot of FAL work and his is top notch. He also charges about 1/4th of what entreprise will charge you. I posted his contact info in another thread from last week about FAL smiths.

Not to knock on entreprise, I really like Ramon (thier gunsmith), he's a super nice guy but everytime I go visit their pro shop it seems like they don't treat him that well and all their work is incredibly overpriced. Larry will build your FAL and repark it for under $150, I like both of them person-wise but Larry's work is way better than Ramon's.

-hanko
03-11-2006, 6:33 AM
Got a question for you guys, I just finished my imbel, and the shells are hitting the outside of the upper receiver right above the carrying lever and it's leaving tons of marks from the shell. I took it to Enterprise after shooting today because the sites are off and they said that was normal, I left the gun so I don't have a picture, but that sounds like b.s. to me....
Brass marks are normal, though you can file the ejector a little to minimize the issue (see the gunsmithing section of the fal files), or live with it.

-hanko

Guinness
03-11-2006, 9:12 AM
If you're by enterprise, you should give larry hirota a call. He runs his business out in azusa which is like 10 minute drive from where entreprise is. He doesn't really advertise much but I've seen alot of FAL work and his is top notch. He also charges about 1/4th of what entreprise will charge you. I posted his contact info in another thread from last week about FAL smiths.



Thanks for the Info Pryde, I must have missed your post about Larry.. If I build another one I'll have to look him up...

Does he have a website?

Pryde
03-11-2006, 11:34 AM
Here's my earlier post.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=29948

I don't think larry has a website, pretty much have to reach him by phone. I would recommend anyone building a FAL give him a call, he's a super nice guy and his prices and the quality of his work are unbeatable.

I believe his email is: lhirota@earthlink.net but I have no idea if he checks it or not.

The Tick
05-08-2006, 6:52 PM
i just got back my FAL form GCW. The quality is excellent. I am very pleased

I would post pictures but they are all above 97KB

TheMan
05-09-2006, 12:30 AM
Here's my earlier post.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=29948

I don't think larry has a website, pretty much have to reach him by phone. I would recommend anyone building a FAL give him a call, he's a super nice guy and his prices and the quality of his work are unbeatable.


Just be aware that Larry takes his time getting stuff done. He does excellent work though.