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kenk4
04-09-2010, 4:01 PM
I believe it has a Ithaca frame and a Colt Slide by the markings on it. I has the cross cannons stamped lightly the right sided just below the slide. I've never taken it apart. It still has cosmaline on it. The rifling is sharp and it doesn't show signs of firing. I would like to know what this gun might be worth.

I've attached pictures to help identify the gun.

Thanks

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GM4spd
04-09-2010, 4:26 PM
Don't get me wrong--it's not a bad GI 45, but is totally incorrect for
collecting purposes,now if it had an Ithaca slide to go with the frame that
would probably double the value. As it is now it's just a 67 year old
shooter. Pete

littlejake
04-09-2010, 5:01 PM
IMO -- you may have a a Remington Rand Frame and a Colt Slide. I'm going by serial number and the FJA proof mark.

As a collectible, it has the value of neither a Colt nor a RR.

As a shooter it may be a fine piece. I would clean it up, lube it, and shoot it.

BTW -- there are other points that might be of interest such as proof stamps on the barrel, near the disconnect, and near or under the firing pin retainer.

gun toting monkeyboy
04-09-2010, 5:27 PM
It is a re-imported surplus mixmaster. Not a lot of collector's value, but it should be fun to shoot.

Tenamaxtle
04-09-2010, 5:51 PM
I will give you $200, and wont tell nobody.

SVT-40
04-09-2010, 7:10 PM
My books show that frame was either made by Colt, Ithaca or Remington Rand.

One book notes that Colt was assigned "some of the lower serial numbers in the block" which is serial number block 916,405 through 1,041,404. Remington Rand apparently produced "many" of the pistols above 936,000.

Additionally the "FJA" inspector proofs belong to Frank J. Atwood, Lt. Col. He was a US Military small arms inspector from 1942~1944 at Remington Rand.

Regardless the pistol is a recent import and has been through at least one rebuild due to the incorrect finish. Regardless it's a great pistol, and should shoot great.

The value would be around $450 up to $750 depending on the buyer.

jamesob
04-09-2010, 7:11 PM
i would say 300-400 would be a fair price for a century import mixmaster

Noxx
04-09-2010, 7:19 PM
I'd agree with the higher end of the above estimates. There's been a rise over the last ten years in WWII era 45's. If you want more information than you ever knew was available there are some great 1911 forums, and some of those posters know Clawson's book like the back of their hand.

The lowest price for a properly matched common make like a Rem Rand is still over a grand most places. Yours looks like a serviceable shooter, but it's collectors value is about nil, you could expect @600 with some plus or minus depending on your local market.

Given that I'd advise you to just keep it, after all, nothing wrong with an extra .45.

GM4spd
04-10-2010, 11:59 AM
My books show that frame was either made by Colt, Ithaca or Remington Rand.




There is NO way the OP's pistol is a COLT frame. Pete

SVT-40
04-11-2010, 11:11 AM
There is NO way the OP's pistol is a COLT frame. Pete

I guess you didn't read the next few sentences of my post:

"One book notes that Colt was assigned "some of the lower serial numbers in the block" which is serial number block 916,405 through 1,041,404. Remington Rand apparently produced "many" of the pistols above 936,000."

GM4spd
04-11-2010, 11:43 AM
I guess you didn't read the next few sentences of my post:

"One book notes that Colt was assigned "some of the lower serial numbers in the block" which is serial number block 916,405 through 1,041,404. Remington Rand apparently produced "many" of the pistols above 936,000."

I saw what you quoted. It still doesn't change the fact that Colt
did not make the frame in the original posters picture. I have a friend
who has over 400 1911 pistols(including 3 Singers) all excellent to mint/new from 1912 thru
1945. I have seen a Colt, Remington Rand, and Ithaca ALL with the same
serial in the 900,000 range. Did your book also tell you tha "FJA" initials do not appear on any Colt frames? Pete

Cokebottle
04-11-2010, 12:07 PM
What would be the C&R status on this?
I see comments on "recent import" and rebuild...

Is this C&R or not?

thefifthspeed
04-11-2010, 12:20 PM
I saw what you quoted. It still doesn't change the fact that Colt
did not make the frame in the original posters picture. I have a friend
who has over 400 1911 pistols(including 3 Singers) all excellent to mint/new from 1912 thru
1945. I have seen a Colt, Remington Rand, and Ithaca ALL with the same
serial in the 900,000 range. Did your book also tell you tha "FJA" initials do not appear on any Colt frames? Pete

He has 3 of the 500 Singers in existance? Wow I wish I had that kind of money to buy cool stuff. I'd be happy as a clam to just own a US&S 1911.

Cokebottle
04-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Did your book also tell you tha "FJA" initials do not appear on any Colt frames? Pete
Additionally the "FJA" inspector proofs belong to Frank J. Atwood, Lt. Col. He was a US Military small arms inspector from 1942~1944 at Remington Rand.
That's what I would assume ;)

NRAhighpowershooter
04-11-2010, 1:06 PM
What would be the C&R status on this?
I see comments on "recent import" and rebuild...

Is this C&R or not?

definately a C&R

10ga-killa
04-11-2010, 1:53 PM
As far as prices goes, one can still buy a brand new SA USGI 1911 with a couple of mags & other includes goodies for $550. Or a new RIA 1911 for around $400. So for a mix-master, Century import still in cosmo I say the PPT price is around $375 for a quick sale. Might be able to get more for it at an auction or consigned at a gun shop.

Sampachi
04-11-2010, 3:33 PM
The 'CAI St. Albans VT' is an older import stamp from the early 90's. BATFE won't let importers use that small of a font anymore.

ponderosa
04-11-2010, 9:37 PM
Man, I'd like a nice shooter like that... regardless of the mix.

Blue
04-11-2010, 9:48 PM
As far as prices goes, one can still buy a brand new SA USGI 1911 with a couple of mags & other includes goodies for $550. Or a new RIA 1911 for around $400. So for a mix-master, Century import still in cosmo I say the PPT price is around $375 for a quick sale. Might be able to get more for it at an auction or consigned at a gun shop.

I bet it'd still be a relatively quick sale at $500 too, neither the SA or RIA were made here in the USA. Whens the last time a real USGI 1911 popped up on here for $375?

jamesob
04-12-2010, 12:20 PM
a friend just picked up a nice rem-rand for 300 from an old man in dinuba last week, they are out there but not on a public forum like this.