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SixPointEight
04-08-2010, 10:02 PM
I searched on here and google for C&R pistols, and didn't come up with much. I'm looking at Semi-autos mostly, and cheap ammo would be a plus. I don't plan on ordering online, I would look for it in Nevada and import it.

I know there's the CZ-52 in 7.62x25, but I've never seen this ammo for sale locally, so I don't know the pricing on it. I also know there's the CZ-82 in 9mm Makarov. So basically I'm wondering what other low-price C&R semi's are out there for me to look into. If you own one and like it show me some pics.

Edit: I'm also pretty sure there's C&R 1911's out there, but I don't know at what price. But people love the 1911 so much I don't think it will fall within the "low-priced" category.

Eat Dirt
04-08-2010, 10:13 PM
You could try here ::

http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/c/c-r-guns/cPath/290?osCsid=306f08abefec3446461b9ce956c9cdc3

kdm
04-09-2010, 6:41 AM
I've always liked joesalter.com. Theirs is a hit-n-miss proposition, though...they'll get 10 or 15 new items in per day, and no telling what it's gonna be.

caldude
04-09-2010, 8:05 AM
Pricing probably won't be cheap, but there are plenty of C&R semi-autos. A lot are early ones in anemic calibers, but a few in more common calibers are:
-1911 (older than 50 years)
-Walther P-38
-Lugers
-Browning Hi-Powers (older than 50 years)

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 8:29 AM
http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/164167000/164167753/pix244952609.jpg

http://www.gunbroker.com/

Interloper
04-09-2010, 10:13 AM
One of the cheapest C&R pistols going right now is the 1895 Nagant (http://www.surplusrifle.com/pistolm1895/index.asp) Ammo can be had fairly cheap as well.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3493/themodel1895nagantrevolt.jpg

zinfull
04-09-2010, 10:50 AM
I like the walther PP's and the French Manurhin PP's. There are also the early colts and brownings.

jerry

CEDaytonaRydr
04-09-2010, 10:59 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/c/c...1b9ce956c9cdc3 (http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/c/c-r-guns/cPath/290?osCsid=306f08abefec3446461b9ce956c9cdc3)

WOW!

Are those colt detectives really worth $1300? :confused:

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 11:09 AM
No.

http://v2.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=157818150

SixPointEight
04-09-2010, 11:23 AM
One of the cheapest C&R pistols going right now is the 1895 Nagant (http://www.surplusrifle.com/pistolm1895/index.asp) Ammo can be had fairly cheap as well.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3493/themodel1895nagantrevolt.jpg

Thats some funky looking ammo! If I get a revolver it will probably be modern, I just can't get into the looks of the older ones

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 1:30 PM
Suit yourself!

http://dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/webleyvi-20080827-80005.jpg

http://dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/sw19-3-tr6367-20090103-08.jpg

The best revolvers are C&R revolvers. ;)

SixPointEight
04-09-2010, 1:37 PM
The smith is pretty, But the Nagant is uglier than even my Mosin-Nagant, and that's saying something

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 2:15 PM
Still kind of cool, if you ask me.

http://www.a-human-right.com/nagant-32acp-2_s.jpg

Now, here’s something ugly.

http://oldrifles.com/t94-1-n_70.jpg

Yikes!

ponderosa
04-09-2010, 2:18 PM
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu59.htm

The Tokarev Romanian 7.62 X 25 Pistol

and you mentioned the CZ-52 http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu25.htm

ponderosa
04-09-2010, 2:24 PM
CZ-82 looks nice: http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3CZ82&groupid=3

here's a fellow calgunner's c&r pistols: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=4049774

ponderosa
04-09-2010, 2:31 PM
Sistema .45 ACP, Model 1927 if you can find one

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu38.htm

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=44152

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 2:42 PM
They can still be had for under $600 if you shop around.

http://www.dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/m1927-65211-20070730-03.jpg

Mine turned into this …

http://www.dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/m1927-65211-20090815-57.jpg

… and can do this.

http://www.dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/m1927target-20100125.jpg

U.S. m1911s start at twice the price and go up from there.

CEDaytonaRydr
04-09-2010, 3:19 PM
http://www.dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/m1927target-20100125.jpg




How'd you get the powder burns off that target? :confused:

JK:D

SixPointEight
04-09-2010, 3:21 PM
Wow, now that's a 1911 I can get on board with. Not into paying 1k for a new one, but would pay 500-600 for a C&R one. Looks like I should be looking for Sistema or...Caspian?

M. D. Van Norman
04-09-2010, 3:42 PM
How’d you get the powder burns off that target? :confused:

The secret is to punch the holes before you hang the target. Then rip through a magazine as fast as you can and shout, “Hey! Look at this!” :cool:

ROTC sniper
04-09-2010, 8:33 PM
Pistol:
You can find some of these in the stores.
http://www.southernohiogun.com/romanian-tokarev-762x25-w-extra-magandhols-1.html


Ammo:
You can't get any ammo for less than $0.10 a round other than .22s
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/browse/pistol-ammunition-762x25.aspx?c=95&s=987&stk=1

My TT33 is awesome.

C&R dealers
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/military-firearms/25067-c-r-dealers.html

dfletcher
04-09-2010, 8:46 PM
In no particular order ....

Mauser 1914, Colt New Service & 1917, Smith version too. Colt SAA 2nd Gen (not cheap, sorry) Smith 53, High Standard semi autos, Colt 1903. Probably lots of Smith Model 10s and 12s.

sarabellum
06-15-2010, 5:29 PM
Hm, MD Van, Sig P210? I wonder what the OP's budget is for a C&R. The Sig P210 is cool and elegant. However, with a an approximate price of $1000-2000, a C&R collector would suffer from sticker shock:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=sig+p210

On another note, the Nagant revolver is very cool and representative of form following function in the WWI era.

50 Freak
06-15-2010, 6:49 PM
Can somebody please order me a Tokarev (TT33) or sell me one they don't want???

Geez...

Markus
06-16-2010, 1:00 AM
Hmm how much would somebody pay for one of these?

Richie Caketown
06-16-2010, 2:07 AM
They can still be had for under $600 if you shop around.



U.S. m1911s start at twice the price and go up from there.

where did you find one for that price? i would drive miles for that

M. D. Van Norman
06-16-2010, 11:02 AM
Not in California. I typically drive 1,500 miles round trip for my C&R handguns. :eek::D

A SIG P210 would be very cool, but they’re still too rich for my blood. Maybe one of the new reproductions that are coming out …

killmime1234
06-16-2010, 11:33 AM
So are C&R pistols "cash n carry" like long guns or does a pistol have to be DROS'd?

Someguy925
06-16-2010, 11:39 AM
C&R pistols has to be DROS'd in California

M. D. Van Norman
06-16-2010, 11:40 AM
In California, C&R handguns have DROS, registration, 10-day wait, HSC, etc.

1step
06-16-2010, 9:18 PM
I just drove to Fort Worth for a P38. Should be home with it on Friday for disasembly and cleaning. There was some visiting eith relative too but the trip to MGS was worth it!

mievil
06-16-2010, 9:38 PM
Dennis typically has some cool stuff. Price can be a little on the high side, but it will give you an idea of what's out there and you can shop around. But I have to say, his service is great.

Go to the Handguns section.

http://www.empirearms.com/

SixPointEight
06-16-2010, 10:15 PM
Hm, MD Van, Sig P210? I wonder what the OP's budget is for a C&R. The Sig P210 is cool and elegant. However, with a an approximate price of $1000-2000, a C&R collector would suffer from sticker shock:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx?Keywords=sig+p210

On another note, the Nagant revolver is very cool and representative of form following function in the WWI era.

Those are nice, but a bit above the price range. I was hoping for the, 300-500 range max.

M. D. Van Norman
06-17-2010, 8:10 AM
There’s always GunBroker, but you may have to add $75 to $100 in FFL transfer fees. :whistling:

beemaze
06-17-2010, 8:50 AM
In California, C&R handguns have DROS, registration, 10-day wait, HSC, etc.

Get yourself a COE (took two weeks to arrive for me) from the CA DOJ, and bypass the 10 day wait on all C&R's.

M. D. Van Norman
06-17-2010, 1:24 PM
My longest waiting period was about seven months …

http://dancinggiant.com/images/firearms/govt-c170225-20100502-86.jpg

… for this 1930s Colt Government Model. :D

Malthusian
06-17-2010, 2:09 PM
Get yourself a COE (took two weeks to arrive for me) from the CA DOJ, and bypass the 10 day wait on all C&R's.


C&R with COE exempts non-C&R handguns from ten day wait as well
Also exempt from 1 in 30

beemaze
06-17-2010, 3:07 PM
C&R with COE exempts non-C&R handguns from ten day wait as well
Also exempt from 1 in 30

You might want to check on the ten day wait exemption with C&R + COE- it applies to C&R's only per the CA DOJ (and it says so on the manual DROS form).

The 1 in 30 exemption for ALL handguns is correct.

Also, the C&R + COE will supposedly exempt you from mail order ammunition purchases which will become illegal for the subjects of Kalifornia in 2/2011.

savasyn
06-17-2010, 3:15 PM
You might want to check on the ten day wait exemption with C&R + COE- it applies to C&R's only per the CA DOJ (and it says so on the manual DROS form).

The 1 in 30 exemption for ALL handguns is correct.

That is correct. 1 in 30 exemption for all handguns, 10 day wait exemption for C&R only.

Also, the C&R + COE will supposedly exempt you from mail order ammunition purchases which will become illegal for the subjects of Kalifornia in 2/2011.

Yeah...if you can convince an out of state vendor of that. They have no idea what a COE is as it's a construct of the evil minds at the CA DoJ.

Malthusian
06-17-2010, 3:20 PM
You might want to check on the ten day wait exemption with C&R + COE- it applies to C&R's only per the CA DOJ (and it says so on the manual DROS form).

The 1 in 30 exemption for ALL handguns is correct.

Also, the C&R + COE will supposedly exempt you from mail order ammunition purchases which will become illegal for the subjects of Kalifornia in 2/2011.

Yup
Just checked
Your right!
I stand corrected

zatoh
06-17-2010, 11:55 PM
Star Model B in 9mm - ~$300. Not pretty but they work.
East German or Russian military Makarov $250 to $600
Cz50 - terrible trigger, .32 cal $200 - $250
Cz27 in 380 - $375 on up
I 2nd the TT33s. The Polish ones are nice. I hear the Yugo ones are nicer. Romanian ones are rough (to me). Good luck finding a Russian one if you can.
Ballester-Molina or Riguard in .45ACP - ~$350 - $400ishy?