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kdm
04-08-2010, 3:23 PM
OK...school me. Or find a thread I can read, 'cause I sure can't.

Are C&R pistols exempt from the roster?

Inoxmark
04-08-2010, 3:36 PM
Yes they are. And they don't have to be over 50 year old, just on the C&R list.

CEDaytonaRydr
04-08-2010, 3:39 PM
Yeah.

Unfortunately, some FFLs don't seem to know that.

bplvr
04-08-2010, 3:44 PM
Calif. PC 12132{g} {C&R exemption} They are also exempt from the 10 day wait if
you have an 03 FFL and a COE. If you get both of those .....buy a bigger safe.

savasyn
04-08-2010, 6:17 PM
Calif. PC 12132{g} {C&R exemption} They are also exempt from the 10 day wait if
you have an 03 FFL and a COE. If you get both of those .....buy a bigger safe.

What he said! I have both and have made use of them. In fact, going to DROS and bring home another S&W pre-10 5 screw tomorrow :43:

TRICKSTER
04-08-2010, 7:10 PM
From The Calguns Foundation Wiki
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/The_Safe_Handgun_List
California FFLs may not transfer handguns which are not on the Roster unless the individual or guns or kind of transaction are listed as exceptions.

Current exceptions include:

1. peace officers with official identification;
2. gifts from out-of-state immediate family members (who are defined as parents, grandparents, children and grandchildren only; brothers and other familial relationships are not included);
3. curios and relics;
4. Olympic pistols listed in Penal Code 12132(h)(2);
5. private party transactions (PPT)Penal Code 12132(a) PPT is described in Penal Code 12082;
6. Single shot pistols that meet certain dimensional and other requirements in Penal Code 12133 (a) and (b) and described further below.
7. Single-action revolvers (basically any standard size single-action: Colt, Ruger, Uberti, etc) that fit the following criteria are exempt from the Roster (Penal Code 12133) described further below.

barrym66
04-08-2010, 7:17 PM
Calif. PC 12132{g} {C&R exemption} They are also exempt from the 10 day wait if
you have an 03 FFL and a COE. If you get both of those .....buy a bigger safe.

I did. Now if the ATF and DOJ would just step it up a notch, I could finish filling it. ;)

kdm
04-08-2010, 7:17 PM
Sweet...thanks for the great info, guys.

I did a PPT for a CZ52 pistol (vzor 52, but why split hairs:rolleyes:) which is C&R, but thought the PPT part was the exclusion. Yeah, my bank account, safe, C&R license and COE are all gonna get a workout. I've been looking at getting a P-38, and there's a good online source.

dfxjedi
04-08-2010, 7:49 PM
Calif. PC 12132{g} {C&R exemption} They are also exempt from the 10 day wait if
you have an 03 FFL and a COE. If you get both of those .....buy a bigger safe.

What's a COE?

barrym66
04-08-2010, 7:56 PM
What's a COE?

Basically a pre-approved background check...you get a Live Scan of your fingerprints (around $60-100) that is sent to and kept on file w/FBI, and accessible by DOJ, along with filing (and passing) an annual (I think) criminal background check w/DOJ.

Allows you to bypass the 10 day DOJ wait. :p

kdm
04-08-2010, 8:05 PM
It'll also exempt you from the 1 handgun a month rule. Theoretically, it'll also allow you to get ammo online when 962 kicks in.

I'm still banking on that getting ripped apart by The Right People.

savasyn
04-08-2010, 8:16 PM
Allows you to bypass the 10 day DOJ wait. :p

bypasses the 10 day wait on C&R gun ONLY and only when used with a C&R license.

Those two in combination, as mentioned above, bypass the one handgun a month thing for both C&R and modern handguns. It may take some convincing at the gun store that that is the case, but it is.

Stryfe76
04-08-2010, 8:16 PM
Do you need the 03 FFL to make use of the COE?

halifax
04-08-2010, 8:27 PM
I saw a post earlier (can't find it now) where someone said even if a handgun is on the Federal Curio & Relic list it still had to be over 50 yrs old (e.g., CZ 82) in CA to be a Curio & Relic. That didn't sound right to me but I didn't question it at the time. I will now: Do listed C&R handguns have to be >50 y.o. to be exempt from the roster in CA?

savasyn
04-08-2010, 8:28 PM
Do you need the 03 FFL to make use of the COE?

More or less. I don't know what the COE is useful for without the 03 unless you work at a gun store. I was under the impression that gun store employees were required to have them so that their finger prints were on file.

Mssr. Eleganté
04-09-2010, 1:08 AM
I saw a post earlier (can't find it now) where someone said even if a handgun is on the Federal Curio & Relic list it still had to be over 50 yrs old (e.g., CZ 82) in CA to be a Curio & Relic. That didn't sound right to me but I didn't question it at the time. I will now: Do listed C&R handguns have to be >50 y.o. to be exempt from the roster in CA?

No, they don't need to be over 50 years old. To be exempt from the Roster, handguns just need to be considered C&R by the Feds. That means they either have to be on the Federal C&R list or they have to be at least 50 years old.

California does not have its own definition of "C&R". California only uses the Federal definition. Every single firearm that the Feds say is C&R is also C&R in California. California imposes certain transfer requirements on C&R long guns that are not yet 50 years old and on C&R handguns. But those firearms are still C&R in California.

halifax
04-09-2010, 4:29 AM
That's what I thought. Thanks

halifax
04-09-2010, 4:29 PM
...California imposes certain transfer requirements on C&R long guns that are not yet 50 years old and on C&R handguns. But those firearms are still C&R in California.

Please expand on this.

Mssr. Eleganté
04-09-2010, 7:47 PM
Please expand on this.

That just means that C&R long guns under 50 years old and C&R handguns of any age are not exempt from California's dealer transfer requirements the way that 50+ year old C&R long guns are.

But the fact that California requires a C&R firearm to be transfered through a California licensed dealer doesn't diminish that firearm's C&R status at all.

halifax
04-09-2010, 8:23 PM
Got it.

ronlglock
04-23-2013, 5:43 PM
Calif. PC 12132{g} {C&R exemption} They are also exempt from the 10 day wait if you have an 03 FFL and a COE. If you get both of those .....buy a bigger safe.

Is this still true in 2012?

Quiet
04-23-2013, 6:24 PM
Is this still true in 2012?

yes

bplvr
04-23-2013, 6:44 PM
yes

nope ,it is going to be being discontinued last year. Sorry.

OniKoroshi
04-23-2013, 7:00 PM
Go to the DOJ roster page and the first paragraph says the C&R pistols are roster exempt

bplvr
04-23-2013, 7:03 PM
Go to the DOJ roster page and the first paragraph says the C&R pistols are roster exempt

But, that rule doesn't kick in till 2012.

Bazinga !

Quiet
04-23-2013, 8:00 PM
But, that rule doesn't kick in till 2012.

Bazinga !

heh... didn't realize this was a necropost until now. :o