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DELTA 9 1/2
04-05-2010, 9:35 AM
ive looked at a lot of sites and only a K98K 10 25 & 30 round mag was found...
I'd like to get , if all possible, a mag like a Lee Enfield for a Mosin Nagant.

to take the mag assembly off and put that on would be nice.
If it has been done id like to see that (a video maybe)
but if its not a wise idea and not try for safety reasons then OK.

why mess with something if it already works fine the way it is now..

Rekrab
04-05-2010, 9:56 AM
Considering the way the Magazine and trigger guard are one piece I'm sure you'd be looking at quite a bit of custom metal work. You'd also have to build a completely custom magazine for it. I say stick to stripper clips.

pullnshoot25
04-05-2010, 10:42 AM
I have seen done before but the conversion is obscure. There was a prototype made, I have to dig up the photo.

Baron
04-05-2010, 10:49 AM
Something like this?
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/16/mosin-nagant-with-hi-capacity-magazine/
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mosin-nagant-trench-magazine-extended.jpg

Fate
04-05-2010, 11:28 AM
I have seen done before but the conversion is obscure. There was a prototype made, I have to dig up the photo.

The Finns did an experimental fixed version for trench warfare. That's the pic above.

There was a modern prototype proposed...not made. He created it in Photoshop as a detachable mag concept. Problem was, he didn't take into account that the mag would have to be curved/angled due to the shape of the bullets when stacked. He never actually produced any IIRC.

DELTA 9 1/2
04-05-2010, 12:14 PM
if u did it as a double thick mag it would lessen the curve wouldn't it.

Staggered like some m16 mags have.

the idea is more space less curve.. its not like i want any more then
15/20-25/30 rounds in all...but yea it would be Sweet. it would look funny but what the hay.

Musashi
04-05-2010, 1:44 PM
Something like this?
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/16/mosin-nagant-with-hi-capacity-magazine/
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mosin-nagant-trench-magazine-extended.jpg

jesus i couldnt imagine seeing that mosin in person, much less shooting it

Spiggy
04-05-2010, 3:36 PM
if u did it as a double thick mag it would lessen the curve wouldn't it.

Staggered like some m16 mags have.

the idea is more space less curve.. its not like i want any more then
15/20-25/30 rounds in all...but yea it would be Sweet. it would look funny but what the hay.

*throws a wrench* RIMMED CASINGS! :D

Quiet
04-05-2010, 5:47 PM
*throws another wrench* Needs to be 10 rounds or less for CA, otherwise it's manufacturing a large capacity magazine.

Barabas
04-05-2010, 6:13 PM
Just you all wait until I get my shop set up. An m44 converted to .410 is on the list.

bigstick61
04-05-2010, 7:29 PM
I've seen a .410 Mosin-Nagant. It seems that the military rifles converted to use shotgun calibers have been called muskets by militiaries; I guess they must be the modern incarnation of the musket, in this case a repeating musket.

Barabas
04-05-2010, 7:55 PM
I've never seen a converted mosin that wasn't used as a single shot. I intend to remake the magwell to fit five shots.

C.W.M.V.
04-05-2010, 8:15 PM
Just you all wait until I get my shop set up. An m44 converted to .410 is on the list.

probably has less recoil than a normal MN

Bokmal
04-07-2010, 12:03 PM
I've seen a few conversions done, this is one. Done by a gunsmith in northern Finland. He used a L-S 26 LMG mag. It works ok, but like he said himself; an interesting technical exercise, but rather pointless...

http://www.oulunasepaja.fi/muutos21.jpg

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 3:55 PM
Just you all wait until I get my shop set up. An m44 converted to .410 is on the list.

Where is your shop going to be? Please say in San Diego...

Barabas
04-07-2010, 5:01 PM
San Diego.


But not really. I'm not getting into the modern firearms business, I'm just going to do this for fun. I do occasionally build repro locks for reenactors to build up into their demonstration pieces.

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 9:13 PM
San Diego.


But not really. I'm not getting into the modern firearms business, I'm just going to do this for fun. I do occasionally build repro locks for reenactors to build up into their demonstration pieces.

Yeah, we are going to have to talk... :) :) :) :)

bigstick61
04-07-2010, 10:10 PM
I've never seen a converted mosin that wasn't used as a single shot. I intend to remake the magwell to fit five shots.

Are you going to have it use the common .410 shot shell, or are you going to go the route of blowing out the 7.62X54R as was done on the British Lee-Enfield muskets in that caliber (using the .303 case)?

Rover
04-08-2010, 12:22 AM
I've been waiting for an absolutely hammered MN to come up for sale cheap. I want to make an 10 round top-loader, kinda like a bolt action SKS. So if anybody has one that's been wrapped around a tree, or you lost the bolt and stock so now you'd like a very small amount of money for it, i want it.

Barabas
04-08-2010, 7:11 AM
I want it to be able to use regular low-wall .410 bulk ammo (haha), but expect that I'll have to use the Brown Bear brass shotshells to make it feed reliably due to mag spring tension.

I've always been leery of fire-forming. I like having absolute control over case expansion.

Are you going to have it use the common .410 shot shell, or are you going to go the route of blowing out the 7.62X54R as was done on the British Lee-Enfield muskets in that caliber (using the .303 case)?

PNS, I'm not in SD. Sorry if my joke was too obtuse. Once I get a roof on my shop and get things situated, you are welcome to visit if you are in the Sacramento area.

Stryfe76
04-08-2010, 10:23 AM
If anyone gets a .410 Or a .357 mag / .38 Spl Mosin Nagant up and running let me know how you did it as I'd love one as well.

Pingn
10-21-2010, 10:12 AM
Found a similar thread that might interest you folks a while back.
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/mosin-nagant/106458-mosin-nagant-10-rd-magazine.html

On the thread is a series of photos that show from rough draft to finished prototype of his add on clip. Which gives you 5 more rounds. I could be wrong but I believe it is attached where the floor plate goes on. Also gotta admit the 1st pics showing the rough draft or "franken clip" worried me at first but I kept reading.

Here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCi1uNdYgbU

I would suggest visiting his blog. This guy makes some pretty wicked stuff.

Spiggy
10-21-2010, 10:45 AM
^ You realize this guy is a member of Calguns right?

SixPointEight
10-21-2010, 10:51 AM
All this posting, and nobody mentions that a CALGUNNER made a working prototype, and was going to work on distribution?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=332164

Milsurp Collector
10-21-2010, 12:03 PM
All this posting, and nobody mentions that a CALGUNNER made a working prototype, and was going to work on distribution?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=332164

This an old thread. Pingn resurrected it to tell us about Datamancer's project, not realizing that we already know about it from the thread to which you referred.

Pingn
10-21-2010, 12:53 PM
Lol. Thanks.

My bad.

That's what coffee, 2 seconds of sleep, babysitting non identical twins as an uncle, and helping their parents will get ya.

Let that be a lesson to you all. Learn from my red faced forum noob moment.

Yup! That's right! Did it on purpose! Purely educational! For future generations!
:coolgleamA:

Haggar85
10-21-2010, 2:29 PM
well not to hijack thread....but you can fit an MG15 mag in a mauser with limited skills.it hold 25 or 35 8mm rounds.
would this be on an ATI that was kind of shaped as required.
just thinking:
if you get an ATI stock and cut the magazine area larger, cut and weld the trigger guard assembly to the magazine. like the little clamp part in the front of the mag and the trigger guard in the rear. that would be an option at least in theory but it would have to be fed by strippers.
but how to over come the issue of loading. the mosins in meant to have a single stack mag, so the rounds are centerline, the enfield mag the are stacked and off center?
it would be an interesting thing to think about, im going to go scribble some thing

Peter.Steele
10-21-2010, 6:34 PM
Someone posted earlier about rimmed cartridges being a problem for large magazines.

Not so.

The alignment of the cartridges, vis a vis the rims, is totally irrelevant in this design. The follower pushes the cartridges up, where they are stopped by the bottom of the bolt assembly. When the bolt is opened, the ejector / interruptor, which is a one-piece thing made out of spring stock and fastened to the left-hand side of the receiver, comes into play. The top part of it catches the spent casing and kicks it out, while the body of it holds all but the top round down in the magazine. The top round, the one to be loaded, winds up laying on top of it, not held down in any way, and the bolt catches it.

The rim can't catch on the next cartridge down, because of the interruptor.


... I've been thinking about doing something similar, actually. I was considering getting a Dragunov mag for the follower and spring, and then a spare 91/30 magazine floorplate for the hinge and latch, and Macgyvering it together. Never got around to trying it, though.

... Maybe I should.