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blacklisted
02-13-2006, 11:01 PM
Has anyone checked out the new laws for 2006? They've been up for a long time but I've been preoccupied with the lower issue and just checked them out.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/2005bills.htm

I was bummed out until I saw this:


* Allows ammunition vendors to sell ammunition or reloaded ammunition that can be used in both a rifle and a handgun to persons at least 18 years of age but less than 21 years of age only if the vendor reasonably believes the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun (PC 12316).


I'm still bummed out, but not as much now. This may not mean much to most people here, but for those that are <21, it does help things somewhat :)

Now I just have to buy a pistol caliber carbine in .45 ACP :D

olegk
02-13-2006, 11:07 PM
Quote:
vendor reasonably believes the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun (PC 12316).

Good reason might be?:
1. rifle on shoulder
2. rifle magazines in hands
3 10 days waiting period is over

Something else?

olegk
02-13-2006, 11:11 PM
Missed most important one:
Handgun caliber

blacklisted
02-13-2006, 11:12 PM
A receipt for a pistol caliber carbine would be pretty good for establishing reasonable belief.

grammaton76
02-13-2006, 11:30 PM
A receipt for a pistol caliber carbine would be pretty good for establishing reasonable belief.

I would bring a picture of the rifle and a product description, printed from a website.

I bought some 9mm from Wally World a while back, and the "For a handgun?" question came up. The lady behind the counter chuckled and said, "There's not a rifle in the world tha takes that stuff, so yes!"

I was indeed using it in a handgun, but felt the need to point out that there's a fair number of 9mm carbines out there. Anyone under 21 with a pistol caliber carbine might be well served by bringing proof that the pink unicorns - erm, I mean pistol caliber carbines - do indeed exist. Just in case, ya know?

artherd
02-14-2006, 7:15 PM
A statement should be grounds enough to 'reasonably belive'. A reasonable person generally belives that people coming to transact in good faith (as opposed to say, steal goods) are telling the trugh.

saki302
02-15-2006, 1:37 AM
Marlin camp carbine.. Ruger PC-series carbine- all CA legal pistol Caliber carbines. The pre-2000 AW carbines.. well, if you have one of those, you'd be over 21 already :D

-Dave

islanderman7
02-15-2006, 11:26 PM
im not 21 yet, but how in the hell am i supposed to get 9mm for my AR that shoots 9mm? 9mm is generally regarded as pistol ammo

blacklisted
02-15-2006, 11:37 PM
im not 21 yet, but how in the hell am i supposed to get 9mm for my AR that shoots 9mm? 9mm is generally regarded as pistol ammo

I guess you could say "it's for a rifle". It would be the truth.

Jeff Rambo
02-16-2006, 11:16 AM
im not 21 yet, but how in the hell am i supposed to get 9mm for my AR that shoots 9mm? 9mm is generally regarded as pistol ammo

If you can reasonably prove that the 9mm ammunition is being used for a long gun, the store has to make the transaction.

tenpercentfirearms
02-16-2006, 11:23 AM
I think the best way for me to tell is the 9mm rifle ammo is 50 cents more than the 9mm pistol ammo! So if you are 21 and come into my shop make sure to buy the 9mm rifle ammo! :D