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Gunfighter01
02-13-2006, 6:30 PM
#1 If you have a lawfully Registered AW, can you change the entire upper?

#2 If you can change the upper, can you change it to a different configuration than what was registered, ie" registered rifle is a 20" A2 with a permanent carry handle, changing to a 16" A3 flat-top.

#3 Does Colt sell complete upper packages?

#4 If Colt does not sell complete or incomplete uppers, who would one recommend as a great upper replacement for a Colt Sporter? Drop in quality, NO gunsmithing required.

ohsmily
02-13-2006, 6:34 PM
#1 If you have a lawfully Registered AW, can you change the entire upper?

#2 If you can change the upper, can you change it to a different configuration than what was registered, ie" registered rifle is a 20" A2 with a permanent carry handle, changing to a 16" A3 flat-top.

#3 Does Colt sell complete upper packages?

#4 If Colt does not sell complete or incomplete uppers, who would one recommend as a great upper replacement for a Colt Sporter? Drop in quality, NO gunsmithing required.

1 Yes
2 Yes
3 they are readily available
4 no complete upper requires gunsmithing to fit. Stag and armalite are high quality uppers.

stevie
02-13-2006, 6:37 PM
Check that front pivot pin, some Colts use a larger pin than most manufacturers.

ocabj
02-13-2006, 7:01 PM
#3 Does Colt sell complete upper packages?

#4 If Colt does not sell complete or incomplete uppers, who would one recommend as a great upper replacement for a Colt Sporter? Drop in quality, NO gunsmithing required.

3. Brand new Colt manufactured uppers aren't really readily available to the civilian market. Colt doesn't really have many parts dealers. Authentic Colt made parts tend to me more expensive that others. You're buying name.

4. Measure your pivot pin diameter. If it is .250" you're good to go for any upper. If it is greater than .3", then you need the offset pin. It's only $5 or so. This will allow you to use any upper.

I have a Colt Sporter (circa 1993).

BigAL
02-13-2006, 9:40 PM
http://www.specializedarmament.com/

The only place I know that readily stocks a lot of Colt stuff. But you will pay big for it.

Jon
02-13-2006, 9:48 PM
BigAL, that there are some crazy expensive prices! :eek:

Mute
02-14-2006, 8:51 AM
As long as it's not an SBR upper, you should be good to go.

DrjonesUSA
02-15-2006, 1:28 PM
#2: I do not believe that the configuration (bbl length, flattop or carry handle, etc) is "registered" in any way. Seeing as how only the receiver is the gun and the rest (upper) is just parts, it doesn't matter.

#3/4: Unless you *HAVE* to have the Colt name, save your money and buy Stag, RRA, or something else. As you can see at that link above, a Colt upper, and ONLY the upper assembly, will cost you MORE than a COMPLETE AR-15 RIFLE. :eek:

The Colt uppers listed at that site are at least TWICE the price of a Stag or RRA, and there's simply no justification for that price; you do not get better quality for that extra money. You're just getting "Colt" instead of "RRA".

One option is to get a surplus M16A1 upper from cdnninvestments.com - those are real Colt parts and are sanely priced; around $400 or so.

I'm not knocking Colt, as they do make good stuff, but it sure isn't worth DOUBLE what the competition is charging.

moulton
02-15-2006, 1:45 PM
I wanna go for the a1 vietnam look, I saw at CDNN sports they have several a1 uppers but all out of stock. What type of accuracy can you expect out of a A1?

DrjonesUSA
02-15-2006, 1:48 PM
I wanna go for the a1 vietnam look, I saw at CDNN sports they have several a1 uppers but all out of stock. What type of accuracy can you expect out of a A1?


They aren't out of stock: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/arsp1upnewco.html


As far as accuracy, I'm not sure. Combat accuracy at least; probably 1-2 MOA at worst. Check AR15.com and also keep an eye out in the sale forum there.

Keep in mind that the upper from CDNN does NOT include the bolt, carrier, or charging handle.

You'll also have to scrounge up an A1 stock & pistol grip.

6172crew
02-15-2006, 1:57 PM
Colt, FN, Stag, CMS, LMT. Id say those all have the same machine shop or quality you'd expect from Govt type uppers/parts.

Colt/FN stuff is great, but who makes the parts for them?

:rolleyes:

There was some guys who had it down for who made what for whom, I cant find the AR15.com link but I will look for it.

shopkeep
02-15-2006, 2:00 PM
What's the big deal with Colt? Lewis Machine Tools makes most of the newest and latest rifles used by the United States Military. Just get an LMT upper, slap a barrel on it, and build it up. Forget name brand, as long as you go with a good barrel and other parts you'll have an excellent rifle for 1/4th the price of a Colt.

6172crew
02-15-2006, 2:02 PM
What's the big deal with Colt? Lewis Machine Tools makes most of the newest and latest rifles used by the United States Military. Just get an LMT upper, slap a barrel on it, and build it up. Forget name brand, as long as you go with a good barrel and other parts you'll have an excellent rifle for 1/4th the price of a Colt.

Ed Zacary, LMT has a Govt contract and the uppers can be had for alot cheaper than a Colt.

DrjonesUSA
02-15-2006, 2:05 PM
Ed Zacary, LMT has a Govt contract and the uppers can be had for alot cheaper than a Colt.


RRA won a govt contract recently: (DEA, FBI and Bureau of Indian Affairs (?????))


Can anyone explain to me why the freakin' Bureau of Indian Affairs needs AR-15's???????? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Jeff Rambo
02-15-2006, 2:20 PM
The BIA has Law Enforcement responsibilities on BIA controlled land (Roughly 50 million acres).

antarius
02-15-2006, 2:23 PM
RRA won a govt contract recently: (DEA, FBI and Bureau of Indian Affairs (?????))


Can anyone explain to me why the freakin' Bureau of Indian Affairs needs AR-15's???????? :mad: :mad: :mad:
No kidding. I thought all they got were Casinos.

Now they get AR's too?

Sigh.

DrjonesUSA
02-15-2006, 2:24 PM
No kidding. I thought all they got were Casinos.

Now they get AR's too?

Sigh.


No, not the tribes themselves; the BIA is a government agency.

Though I'll bet with all the money & political power those tribes have, they can probably get any weapons they want.... :mad: :mad:

BigAL
02-15-2006, 4:13 PM
Call me crazy but I do think you get a little more from Colt in the form of QC and a product that is closer to mil-spec. It's not just the name. I have to default to those who run a lot of carbine classes and many of them say Colts have the fewest problems. A Colt rifle may not have the best finish or the fewest tool marks but they are definitely made to be used hard. Whether or not the higher price is worth it is up to the buyer.

DrjonesUSA
02-15-2006, 4:18 PM
Call me crazy but I do think you get a little more from Colt in the form of QC and a product that is closer to mil-spec. It's not just the name. I have to default to those who run a lot of carbine classes and many of them say Colts have the fewest problems. A Colt rifle may not have the best finish or the fewest tool marks but they are definitely made to be used hard. Whether or not the higher price is worth it is up to the buyer.


Again, I'm not knocking Colt (nor is anybody here, I don't think) but we're just saying that they are simply not worth TWICE the price of their competition.

There was some guy on another forum spouting the whole "this guy I know who runs a carbine class says everything but Colt is garbage" BS, and no offense, BigAL, but that's all that is: BS.

There are many manufacturers that make just as good a product as Colt, if not better, and for waaaay less money.

As far as "mil-spec" goes, well, Colt sure as heck isn't the only supplier to the US Armed Forces.

CMT and FN make a lot of military rifles and parts.

Anyone who disagrees, just check out ar15.com and they'll tell you what I just told you....

grammaton76
02-15-2006, 4:19 PM
Can anyone explain to me why the freakin' Bureau of Indian Affairs needs AR-15's???????? :mad: :mad: :mad:

Simple - there's plenty of land. As has been demonstrated in our national forests, folks like to move on in and start growing pot or cooking meth wherever they figure it's not going to get noticed. They tend to stick around close by, and really don't give a rip about the legality of the full-auto weapons they'll defend it with.

Gunfighter01
02-15-2006, 6:55 PM
I just wanted to match things up, thats why i was looking at Colt, also,this rifle has run flawless for me for years and frankly, i dont know anything about any other manufactures. That all being said, i am going to keep my original upper with all the WAY-COOL toys on it, so this is going to be a 3-Gun match rifle, it doesnt have to look purty, i just need it to be reliable!...I am leaning towards Rock River, Bushmaster is a little higher, and the other guys, i have never heard of. Although, like i said in the original post, a couple of guys had bent barrels from Stag, so that concernes me to much to spend that kind of money on Stag.

BigAL
02-15-2006, 7:20 PM
Again, I'm not knocking Colt (nor is anybody here, I don't think) but we're just saying that they are simply not worth TWICE the price of their competition.

There was some guy on another forum spouting the whole "this guy I know who runs a carbine class says everything but Colt is garbage" BS, and no offense, BigAL, but that's all that is: BS.

There are many manufacturers that make just as good a product as Colt, if not better, and for waaaay less money.

As far as "mil-spec" goes, well, Colt sure as heck isn't the only supplier to the US Armed Forces.

CMT and FN make a lot of military rifles and parts.

Anyone who disagrees, just check out ar15.com and they'll tell you what I just told you....

I'm not saying if it's worth it or not. It certainly isn't to me but if someone decides it is and wants to spend the money then I'm not going to think any less of them for doing so. Hell i would never spend the kind of money for a Wilson or Les Baer AR but there are people who do and it may be worth it TO THEM. I don't believe that instructors often recommending Colt is BS either. These are well documented people who have BTDT and see more rounds go downrange in a month than I see in a 5 years. We're not talking about armchair commandos here.

I can only speak for the 3 ARs I own. One is a Colt that I recently bought and when I went to zero it, it required no windage adjustment and a 1/4 turn on the front sight. Both other ARs required 5-6 clicks at least (still well within spec). Coincidence or is there something going on here? I can't say from such a small sample size. And there is no doubt a few companies are the subcontractors for many different manufacturers. However, I do believe there is a difference with what gets accepted and rejected during QC and that this is primarily what sets these companies apart. When Colt makes many of their parts they don't know if it's going in a rifle to be carried by GI Joe or by me. If that means they follow additional procedures to weed out lemons (which EVERY manufacturer makes now and then), i'm willing to pay more for that. And don't think i'm a Koolaid drinker either b/c if the SHTF i'd grab my franken AR parts gun before the Colt.

Mute
02-15-2006, 8:34 PM
I'll agree that it a Colt might not be worth twice the price as some of the better competitors, however, Colts are still the standard when it comes to long term reliability. FYI, I own a Rock River and I'm very happy with it, but I've been around long enough to see some non-Colts give up the ghost at various training courses and on the range, often without a whole lot of rounds through them.

DrjonesUSA
02-16-2006, 10:04 AM
I agree (as I've said numerous times) that Colt makes damned fine stuff and I'd be first in line to shoot one.

I'm just trying to get the original poster to realize that just because a part doesn't have the horse on it does NOT mean it is inferior quality.

DrjonesUSA
02-16-2006, 10:04 AM
[quote=DrjonesUSA]Never mind. It just doesn't seem worth it anymore.


Don't be sore because I beat you at the full-auto-parts argument. ;)

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