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bplvr
03-30-2010, 7:08 PM
For those of us who have been following the exploits of our very own excentric, but lovable, 'pullnshoot25', he is pleased to announce that today he received his TWO crates of Mosin-Nagants . So how else you gonna arm 40 people for under $2,809.20 ? :eek: :) :cool:

AlliedArmory
03-30-2010, 7:11 PM
lol nice. Is that the best pic you could put up though? I need a magnifying glass to see anything

cruddymutt
03-30-2010, 7:20 PM
awesome!! You got to let us know if anything not common is in them crates.

bplvr
03-30-2010, 7:25 PM
lol nice. Is that the best pic you could put up though? I need a magnifying glass to see anything

PNS25 sent it to me ,I saved it to my computer and posted it. Maybe one of the other Gunnies can figure out how to enlarge it. I'm lucky that I could figure out how to even post it . I am very old ,and if you give me any more guff I'll take out my teeth and throw 'em at 'ya.

PowderBurn1
03-30-2010, 7:28 PM
Very Nice.......

geeknow
03-30-2010, 7:55 PM
bplvr,

a couple of crates of rifles is a satisfying sight, isn't it?

g

ZirconJohn
03-30-2010, 8:10 PM
PNS25 sent it to me ,I saved it to my computer and posted it. Maybe one of the other Gunnies can figure out how to enlarge it. I'm lucky that I could figure out how to even post it . I am very old ,and if you give me any more guff I'll take out my teeth and throw 'em at 'ya.

Best I could do, with the graphics I had to work with... Hope this helps...,

50789

Noobert
03-30-2010, 8:11 PM
Any pictures of them open?

pullnshoot25
03-30-2010, 8:12 PM
This is worth breaking Lent over. Sorry God!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/TueMar30180123PDT2010-1.jpg

MORE PICTURES LATER!!! Lots of Izhevsk rifles and about 4 Tula rifles out of this order of 40. WOO HOO!

geeknow
03-30-2010, 8:14 PM
he's baaaaack...:eek:

stand back...lightnings coming.

;)

pullnshoot, great to have met you this past weekend.

g

Spiggy
03-30-2010, 9:58 PM
Hello Coffee Table!

Rem222
03-30-2010, 11:40 PM
Nice pick up for you guys in SoCal... Great photo...

pullnshoot25
03-31-2010, 12:13 AM
OK, here are more photos!

Undoing the screws

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200715PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200715PDT2010.jpg)

Removing the bayonets

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200722PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200722PDT2010-1.jpg)

<skipping lots of random photos of me grinning while soaked in cosmoline>

While doing my preliminary sorting process.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200714PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200714PDT2010.jpg)

All back in the crates.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205313PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205313PDT2010.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205312PDT2010-2.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205312PDT2010-2.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205312PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205312PDT2010-1.jpg)

Tomorrow, Macadelic4 is going to come over and we are going to catalog all the serials on the guns and the bayonets to see if any of them match. At the moment I have selected a 1937 or 1941 Tula for my rifle but if I can get an all parts and bayonet matching rifle that will be pretty sweet...

I am going to be very sad to see these rifles go, I really wish I could keep them all. Alas though, my education calls! However, whence I am done I will (hopefully) be able to collect even more Mosins!

CARRY ON!

-N8

pullnshoot25
03-31-2010, 12:14 AM
An odd bayonet... could it be Finnish?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205313PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205313PDT2010-1.jpg)

pullnshoot25
03-31-2010, 12:15 AM
Hello Coffee Table!

Yep. Grammaton76 is getting the crates since he helped me out a bunch with this whole order. :)

k3nnex
03-31-2010, 12:23 AM
freakin awesome, so what are you going to do with all those? haha

7.62x54R
03-31-2010, 12:33 AM
freakin awesome, so what are you going to do with all those? haha

Mosin Volley?

rojocorsa
03-31-2010, 12:39 AM
I am extremely jealous (in a good way). How can one order a crate to their own house? I assume you do need a C&R license?

Vlad 11
03-31-2010, 12:57 AM
Very Nice! I can just imagine the smell as the crate was opened.

Spiggy
03-31-2010, 7:24 AM
Yep. Grammaton76 is getting the crates since he helped me out a bunch with this whole order. :)

*shakes fist* damn! now I gotta visit his new house!

Now for a Captain Kirk Impression...

SEEAAAAAAAAAAANNN!!!

slayer55
03-31-2010, 9:09 AM
Lucky that has to be the best feeling in the world to have a crate full of mosins sitting at your home. Im jealous

Interloper
03-31-2010, 9:12 AM
Tomorrow, Macadelic4 is going to come over and we are going to catalog all the serials on the guns and the bayonets to see if any of them match. At the moment I have selected a 1937 or 1941 Tula for my rifle but if I can get an all parts and bayonet matching rifle that will be pretty sweet...
-N8

Highly unlikely you will find any matching bayonets.
Not knowing what else you may have in there, I recommend you keep that '41 Tula. The Tula factory was overrun in '41 and only a few rifles were made. It's one of the rarer 91/30's and a neat score.

H3llpl3ss
03-31-2010, 12:26 PM
If you still have extras, I am willing to take 2-4 of them from you.

Noobert
03-31-2010, 12:37 PM
AWESOME!

a1c
03-31-2010, 1:25 PM
I am so damn jealous! Enjoy your Soviet toys, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to know what exactly is in those crates! Pics of markings! bores!

Zomgie
03-31-2010, 4:03 PM
You wouldn't happen to be the guy I was talking with at the Glass Factory in SB about getting his FFL 03 and doing exactly this... would you? Either way, awesome! :D

run8
03-31-2010, 4:58 PM
That's great man, I had thought about the coffee table idea with a crate when I seen one of the places I frequent was selling the crates of them, but I passed and bought a bunch of Finn M39's instead.

Don't suppose you can take some measurements of the crate for me, just an overall rough demension so I can make my own for transporting purposes.

cruddymutt
03-31-2010, 5:50 PM
+1 on keeping the 41 Tula. Ive been looking for one for a while myself.

Kerplow
04-01-2010, 12:12 AM
my goodness, your compound must be ultra secure!

Thanks again!

Stryfe76
04-01-2010, 12:43 AM
Which are the more desireable rifles Izhevsk or Tula?

Richie Caketown
04-01-2010, 12:58 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs471.snc3/25836_10150155841500212_733635211_11902303_6115998 _n.jpg

flying2275
04-01-2010, 1:15 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs471.snc3/25836_10150155841500212_733635211_11902303_6115998 _n.jpg

I only count 36 wheres the other 4?

Vlad 11
04-01-2010, 1:24 AM
OMG..... my mosinitus is acting up

dstone20
04-01-2010, 1:30 AM
Which are the more desireable rifles Izhevsk or Tula?


Generally speaking, the Tula's are rarer than the Izzy's. Of course certain years vary. In the end, I imagine it is up to the person collecting them to determine what is more desirable.

Harvey Mushman
04-01-2010, 9:16 AM
Generally speaking, the Tula's are rarer than the Izzy's. Of course certain years vary. In the end, I imagine it is up to the person collecting them to determine what is more desirable.

Well after witnessing a hard fought round of Rock Paper Scissors over the lone available Tula in this group, I'd say right now the Tula's are more in demand.

Stryfe76
04-01-2010, 9:42 AM
Generally speaking, the Tula's are rarer than the Izzy's. Of course certain years vary. In the end, I imagine it is up to the person collecting them to determine what is more desirable.

I posted the question and went to bed I wake up and I'm banned! I thought I blasphemed against all Mosin Nagant collectors by asking a forbidden question. lol :TFH:

Rem1492
04-01-2010, 9:51 AM
What was the freight shipping on these , I see I/O is selling the crates but does not list the shipping.

nick
04-01-2010, 10:00 AM
Highly unlikely you will find any matching bayonets.
Not knowing what else you may have in there, I recommend you keep that '41 Tula. The Tula factory was overrun in '41 and only a few rifles were made. It's one of the rarer 91/30's and a neat score.

It wasn't overrun, many parts of the factory were evacuated. Tula wasn't captured by the Germans. That being said, the equipment that was left at the Tula factory was mostly used to produce more complex weapons, not Mosin Nagants, which is why the ones made in Tula in wartime are rare. For instance, they made the bulk of SVT-40s, probably more of those than Mosin Nagants.

Interloper
04-01-2010, 10:12 AM
It wasn't overrun, many parts of the factory were evacuated. Tula wasn't captured by the Germans. That being said, the equipment that was left at the Tula factory was mostly used to produce more complex weapons, not Mosin Nagants, which is why the ones made in Tula in wartime are rare. For instance, they made the bulk of SVT-40s, probably more of those than Mosin Nagants.

I stand corrected, sir. Thank you.


During the Great Patriotic War (World War II) of 1941 to 1945, the city was important in the production of armaments (Rifle wise: Tula produced more SVT-40 rifles than Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M38, and M44 rifles). Tula became the target of a German offensive to break Soviet resistance in the Moscow area between October 24 and December 5, 1941. The heavily fortified city held out, however, and Guderian's Second Panzer Army was stopped near Tula. The city secured the southern flank during the Soviet defence of Moscow and the subsequent counter-offensive. Tula was awarded the title Hero City in 1976. It is home to Klokovo air base.

Personally, I think the Tula's are prettier. Love that big star.
My original point remains, though. '41 Tula's are quite a bit less common.

Fate
04-01-2010, 10:15 AM
Pullnshoot, your photobucket is getting overwhelmed and no longer displaying some of the pics. I'll ID that bayonet for you if you either email me the pic (bdgfate@yahoo) or use the CG pic upload.

nick
04-01-2010, 11:03 AM
Personally, I think the Tula's are prettier. Love that big star.
My original point remains, though. '41 Tula's are quite a bit less common.

Hmm, did I edit that Wikipedia page? Nah :)

And yes, anything made in Russia in 1941 is a bit less common, except for casualties, and it's especially so with factories located either in German-occupied territories, or close enough to them to've been either fully or partially evacuated. Izhevsk, on the other hand, was far enough away to only ramp up the production.

mosinnagantm9130
04-01-2010, 12:15 PM
My original point remains, though. '41 Tula's are quite a bit less common.

True, but not because of production numbers. Tula made more rifles than Izhevsk did in 1941.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/Soviet-M9130.asp

Scroll down to production totals.

Koolpsych
04-01-2010, 12:19 PM
Not to interrupt but those mosins in the case look nice! There is something about a box of guns that just gets me excited inside.

:tt1:

InFamous20
04-01-2010, 12:21 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs471.snc3/25836_10150155841500212_733635211_11902303_6115998 _n.jpg

My God! They look great, may I ask what are you going to do with them?
Not for sale? :43:

Richie Caketown
04-01-2010, 1:37 PM
I only count 36 wheres the other 4?

if you look to the left you will actually see a few more stocks , i believe those are nates picks

RawImpact
04-01-2010, 1:42 PM
pictures of each receiver!

Skandy714
04-01-2010, 2:27 PM
As mentioned above...are these for sell??? Seems like a lot of people is interested, someone should do a group buy lol.

grammaton76
04-01-2010, 3:28 PM
So how else you gonna arm 40 people for under $4,000.00 ? :eek: :) :cool:

Try $2,809.19 to be precise. So, it's under $3k!

And, that's why I get the crates. I'm the loan shark what'll not only take the crates, but also kneecap Nate if I don't gets my dough. ;)

Skandy - this buy was for the purpose of enhancing pullnshoot25's collection. Most of the rifles he ISN'T choosing for his own collection, are already set for folks (most of which are members of his marksmanship club). He's already got a waiting list in the event of flakes, but you can always PM him asking to be put on it.

Anyone who wishes to do the same kind of order, just needs a C&R FFL and around $1,404.59/crate shipped. :)

Brianguy
04-01-2010, 3:41 PM
Try $2,809.19 to be precise. So, it's under $3k!

And, that's why I get the crates. I'm the loan shark what'll not only take the crates, but also kneecap Nate if I don't gets my dough. ;)

Skandy - this buy was for the purpose of enhancing pullnshoot25's collection. Most of the rifles he ISN'T choosing for his own collection, are already set for folks (most of which are members of his marksmanship club). He's already got a waiting list in the event of flakes, but you can always PM him asking to be put on it.

Anyone who wishes to do the same kind of order, just needs a C&R FFL and around $1,404.59/crate shipped. :)

Where can I order a crate?

Kerplow
04-01-2010, 4:26 PM
Well after witnessing a hard fought round of Rock Paper Scissors over the lone available Tula in this group, I'd say right now the Tula's are more in demand.

:chris::18:

inbox485
04-01-2010, 4:27 PM
As mentioned above...are these for sell??? Seems like a lot of people is interested, someone should do a group buy lol.

+1.

InFamous20
04-01-2010, 5:43 PM
Try $2,809.19 to be precise. So, it's under $3k!

And, that's why I get the crates. I'm the loan shark what'll not only take the crates, but also kneecap Nate if I don't gets my dough. ;)

Skandy - this buy was for the purpose of enhancing pullnshoot25's collection. Most of the rifles he ISN'T choosing for his own collection, are already set for folks (most of which are members of his marksmanship club). He's already got a waiting list in the event of flakes, but you can always PM him asking to be put on it.

Anyone who wishes to do the same kind of order, just needs a C&R FFL and around $1,404.59/crate shipped. :)

1 rifle purchase was what I was leaning toward :cool:
hmm what to do with a crate full of mosins:rolleyes:

nick
04-01-2010, 7:06 PM
1 rifle purchase was what I was leaning toward :cool:
hmm what to do with a crate full of mosins:rolleyes:

Start a revolution. Overthrow Hugo Chavez. The possibilities are limitless :p

Interloper
04-01-2010, 10:45 PM
True, but not because of production numbers. Tula made more rifles than Izhevsk did in 1941.

http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/Soviet-M9130.asp

Scroll down to production totals.

So why does a '41 Izhevsk rate a 1 (out of 10) on Uncle Ted's list (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm) while a Tula rates an 8?

mosinnagantm9130
04-01-2010, 11:12 PM
So why does a '41 Izhevsk rate a 1 (out of 10) on Uncle Ted's list (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm) while a Tula rates an 8?

That is a good question, and I wish I knew. No one seems to know why 41 tula 91/30's are so hard to find.

I've seen pictures of three so far, two of them finn'd, one not.

ChrisTKHarris
04-01-2010, 11:15 PM
OMG that is awesome!

Rekrab
04-02-2010, 1:44 AM
Picked mine up, very nice selection. I know the '42 I grabbed is far from rare, but I liked the look of it so I'm pretty happy with it.

And yeah, those boxes are freaking cool.

Bokmal
04-02-2010, 2:24 AM
An odd bayonet... could it be Finnish?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205313PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205313PDT2010-1.jpg)
I'd like to see this one, I might be able to ID it for you. But I do wonder how a Finn (i.e. non-spike) bayo wound up in a crate of M/91-30'ies....:confused:

Blwnbwtie
04-03-2010, 11:12 PM
Where did you get the crates from i am interested in ordering one. Send me a PM with the info please.

Skandy714
04-03-2010, 11:21 PM
@ Blwnbwtie... DO IT! I'll buy couple off you. lol

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 10:20 AM
'IM BACK AND IT FEELS FRIGGIN GREAT!!!!

I just realized that my photo links got butchered so I am going to post them all up again for you guys. My friend Macadelic4 was supposed to post photos for me as well due to my Lenten hiatus but he decided to flake. :)

Once more, I present to you the glory of Mosin Madness 2010!

Unpacking the second crate
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092807PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092807PDT2010.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092803PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092803PDT2010.jpg)

A whole mess o' bayonets

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092809PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092809PDT2010.jpg)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092800PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092800PDT2010-1.jpg)

Taking a peek at some rifles

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092813PDT2010-2.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092813PDT2010-2.jpg)

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 10:33 AM
All the rifles lined up for Wednesday's selection.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_100_2914.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=100_2914.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_100_2915.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=100_2915.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092825PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092825PDT2010.jpg)

Picking through the rifles

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092826PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092826PDT2010.jpg)

All the ammo pouches. Each rifle got TWO pouches!
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092827PDT2010-3.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092827PDT2010-3.jpg)

Lorax3 and Kerplow battled it out for the one Tula that I missed while looking over the rifles, HAHA!
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092829PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092829PDT2010.jpg)

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 10:37 AM
All the rifles in their crates

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092816PDT2010-2.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092816PDT2010-2.jpg)

Crate 1
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092817PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092817PDT2010-1.jpg)

Crate 2
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092817PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092817PDT2010.jpg)

Pile O' Bayonets
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01092820PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01092820PDT2010.jpg)

I LOVE ME SOME MOSINS!
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/th_ThuApr01093029PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/Mosin%20Madness/?action=view&current=ThuApr01093029PDT2010-1.jpg)

Noraku81
04-04-2010, 12:02 PM
got me my rifles on friday! been cleaning the cosmo all weekend. Muchos gracias to ps25 for putting this together! Now how's about we get all the mosins together for a shoot one weekend?

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 12:09 PM
got me my rifles on friday! been cleaning the cosmo all weekend. Muchos gracias to ps25 for putting this together! Now how's about we get all the mosins together for a shoot one weekend?

It shall be called Mosin Mayhem!

Also, I think we should make S'Mosins and Smosh-kabobs with our bayonets!!! :)

Spiggy
04-04-2010, 1:21 PM
make a tent :D

TKM
04-04-2010, 3:15 PM
I saw a couple of young men shooting a sticky Mosin out at P2k yesterday morning. Must've been one of yours.

7.62X54R at the 5 yard line is fun to watch.

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 5:12 PM
I saw a couple of young men shooting a sticky Mosin out at P2k yesterday morning. Must've been one of yours.

7.62X54R at the 5 yard line is fun to watch.

Did one of them have fiery red hair? :)

TKM
04-04-2010, 5:36 PM
We were too busy giggling at the absurd(in a good way) trigger discipline of the one guy in a black shirt to notice the rest of the gang.

That and the arc-light muzzle blast.


Note to self, keep eyes open for the guy with fiery red hair.

Calguns shirt was in the wash.

I'll say howdy next time.

Interloper
04-04-2010, 6:37 PM
I for one would love to know more about the crates and what's in them. Any packing slips in Ukrainian? How were the bayos, pouches and rifles stored? Markings on the crates? These are paltry details but I'm living vicariously through you on this one and I'm interested in the most minute details.

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 7:04 PM
I for one would love to know more about the crates and what's in them. Any packing slips in Ukrainian? How were the bayos, pouches and rifles stored? Markings on the crates? These are paltry details but I'm living vicariously through you on this one and I'm interested in the most minute details.

Alrighty!

There were no packing slips in Ukrainian. All of the rifles in the crate were pretty much sequentially numbered and had barcodes and warning tags, which I removed because they were annoying.

Here is how they were packed...

Each crate was sealed with screws, about 2 of them per side, so about 8 screws total. When you open the lid, there is only a piece of sling material on one side to stabilize the lid, aside from the hinges themselves. The first thing you see is a sea of cosmoline paper and removing the first layer reveals two stacks of 10 bayonets each, all in one direction and one group per side of the crate. After removing those bayonets and more cosmoline paper, you will see 10 rifles stacked side-by-side and in alternating directions with another 10 rifles in the same fashion stacked underneath. After you pull out the rifles, you will see another sheet or two of cosmoline paper, underneath which lies all the accessories. On each side of the crate is a small compartment that holds 10 slings each and in the middle is a sea of ammo pouches, 40 in all. Hidden underneath the ammo pouches to the right side is a flat of 20 oil bottles, wrapped in cosmoline paper. Also wrapped in cosmoline paper and hidden amongst the ammo pouches are all the cleaning kit accessories, like the firing pin protrusion tools, cleaning rod guides, etc. On top of all the ammo pouches is a bundle of 20 cleaning kit pouches, either of black pebble "leather" or green canvas.

All the ammo pouches are typical post-war pebble grain leather and all the oil bottles are typical post-war dual cavity bottles. The takedown tool/pin protrusion tool is either an Izhevsk or a Russian/Ukrainian refurb tool. Muzzle caps are tall or short, both types are knurled. None of the bayonets matched and one of the bayonets was a weird plum color, apparently from a slightly whacked bluing job. (I kept that bayonet and I now have to figure out how to take it off the damn gun, as it is stuck on there...)

The crate markings I cannot recall at the moment but I will post on them later with more extensive photos.

I am going to blueprint the crates so that people can replicate these crates. Actually, if anyone wants to come up and draw these puppies out in Google Sketchup you are more than welcome to swing by... just saying. :)

pullnshoot25
04-04-2010, 7:05 PM
We were too busy giggling at the absurd(in a good way) trigger discipline of the one guy in a black shirt to notice the rest of the gang.

That and the arc-light muzzle blast.


Note to self, keep eyes open for the guy with fiery red hair.

Calguns shirt was in the wash.

I'll say howdy next time.

Do tell this story, my interest is piqued :)

Interloper
04-05-2010, 1:30 PM
Cool I had always wondered about those crates.
If you end up with any extra firing pin tools let me know.

OrovilleTim
04-05-2010, 1:43 PM
Man... I'd pick me up a crate of M44s real quick if there were any available. I tossed around picking up a crate of 91/30s, but can't bring myself to do it.

Wombat25
04-05-2010, 9:04 PM
Fantastic thread. I'm envious.

I would get my C&R for a crack at one of these...

cruddymutt
04-05-2010, 9:07 PM
so what was the years of the rifles in the crates? Any ex snipers, DDRs, MO double dates? Anything of collector intrest. I thought I read of a 41 Tula in there!!

bplvr
04-05-2010, 9:23 PM
For those of you who got in on this effort to find PNS25 a couple of good Mosin collectibles and you are in need of ammo to shoot and dislocate your shoulder, J&G has Bulgarian LB on sale for $99.00 /440 + shipping. { in a spam can. }

youpock
04-05-2010, 9:43 PM
I want to make a crate of mosins into a coffee table so badly with break in case of zombies plate..!!

mievil
04-05-2010, 10:30 PM
Sequentially numbered? Say what?

pullnshoot25
04-05-2010, 11:41 PM
so what was the years of the rifles in the crates? Any ex snipers, DDRs, MO double dates? Anything of collector intrest. I thought I read of a 41 Tula in there!!

There was talk of a '41 Tula but that was a misread. The closest I got was a 1940 :(

The rifles were mainly 1941, 1942 and LOTS of 1943 Izhevsk.

Nothing exciting, I checked all the rifles for all the usual stuff and found nothing.

Of note, however, is the fact that a lot of Izhevsk rifles had Tula-marked bolts and small Tula stars on the barrels. In addition, lots of Tula rifles had Izhevsk-marked bolts.

Looking closely at a bolt from a friend's rifle, I found a pre-1928 Izhevsk mark. This is quite odd, since this particular rifle was all parts matching but a rifle made in the late 1930s/early 1940s.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/IzhevskBowArrow.jpg

I also found one Izhevsk rifle with the Tula Hammer on it.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/TulaHammerCircle.jpg

Other than these little curiosities, there wasn't anything really exciting.

Images courtesy of 7.62x54R.net :)

-N8

pullnshoot25
04-05-2010, 11:43 PM
Sequentially numbered? Say what?

Importer's mark. :(

pullnshoot25
04-05-2010, 11:43 PM
For those of you who got in on this effort to find PNS25 a couple of good Mosin collectibles and you are in need of ammo to shoot and dislocate your shoulder, J&G has Bulgarian LB on sale for $99.00 /440 + shipping. { in a spam can. }

Sportsman's Guide is 90.56 shipped with their $10 coupon!

Bokmal
04-05-2010, 11:45 PM
How about that possibly Finn bayo you mentioned earlier?
Inquiring minds want to know... ;)

Spiggy
04-06-2010, 12:00 AM
most likely, it's not finnish, just purple. I have bare actions with the same purple finish

Bokmal
04-06-2010, 12:08 AM
most likely, it's not finnish, just purple. I have bare actions with the same purple finish
Ok then :(
But it would have been really cool to see a captured-recaptured spike bayo turn up in a crate in California.

pullnshoot25
04-06-2010, 12:09 AM
most likely, it's not finnish, just purple. I have bare actions with the same purple finish

Spiggy is correct, it is not a Finnish bayonet, just a funkily colored one.

Here is a pic of that bayonet next to a regular bayonet

https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D35533_8_7609327255

I kept the purple one for myself, though it is now stuck on my '37 Tula and I can't get it off. I am a little miffed about that...

Bokmal
04-06-2010, 12:38 AM
Spiggy is correct, it is not a Finnish bayonet, just a funkily colored one.

Here is a pic of that bayonet next to a regular bayonet

https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D35533_8_7609327255

I kept the purple one for myself, though it is now stuck on my '37 Tula and I can't get it off. I am a little miffed about that...
Thanks for the pic :) That color is actually rather like the plum color often found on our post war reworks.

Good luck in dislocating it, our just leave it. Think of it as a match made in Mosin heaven... :p

H3llpl3ss
04-06-2010, 6:28 AM
As for selling these, how does it look in your bound book that you purchased 40 long guns but kept only 4 of them. I was wanting to do a purchase of 5 Mosins from JG and keep the best of the bunch and off load the rest to friends, but I thought it would look like I am dealing, not collecting.

OrovilleTim
04-06-2010, 7:28 AM
As for selling these, how does it look in your bound book that you purchased 40 long guns but kept only 4 of them. I was wanting to do a purchase of 5 Mosins from JG and keep the best of the bunch and off load the rest to friends, but I thought it would look like I am dealing, not collecting.

Perfectly within the constraints of purchasing/disposing for the purposes of expanding your collection. The more you get, the better chance there is to find rare ones for your collection.

Spiggy
04-06-2010, 10:15 AM
Spiggy is correct, it is not a Finnish bayonet, just a funkily colored one.

Here is a pic of that bayonet next to a regular bayonet

https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D35533_8_7609327255

I kept the purple one for myself, though it is now stuck on my '37 Tula and I can't get it off. I am a little miffed about that...

The teardrop mosin tool also works as a bayonet wrench

Zomgie
04-06-2010, 10:26 AM
The teardrop mosin tool also works as a bayonet wrench

I LOVE that tool.

pullnshoot25
04-06-2010, 10:43 AM
The teardrop mosin tool also works as a bayonet wrench

Oh yeah, because that would make sense... DOH! :)

My bayonet is stuck without being turned though, that is the issue. I may have to heat this sucker up to get it off.

Nick1236
04-06-2010, 1:27 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/TueMar30180123PDT2010-1.jpg

MORE PICTURES LATER!!! Lots of Izhevsk rifles and about 4 Tula rifles out of this order of 40. WOO HOO!

The guy in the picture look so much Like my old neighbor. Score on the rifles :rockon:

Interloper
04-06-2010, 3:11 PM
There was talk of a '41 Tula but that was a misread. The closest I got was a 1940 :(

The rifles were mainly 1941, 1942 and LOTS of 1943 Izhevsk.

Nothing exciting, I checked all the rifles for all the usual stuff and found nothing.

Of note, however, is the fact that a lot of Izhevsk rifles had Tula-marked bolts and small Tula stars on the barrels. In addition, lots of Tula rifles had Izhevsk-marked bolts.

Looking closely at a bolt from a friend's rifle, I found a pre-1928 Izhevsk mark. This is quite odd, since this particular rifle was all parts matching but a rifle made in the late 1930s/early 1940s.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/IzhevskBowArrow.jpg

I also found one Izhevsk rifle with the Tula Hammer on it.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/TulaHammerCircle.jpg

Other than these little curiosities, there wasn't anything really exciting.

Images courtesy of 7.62x54R.net :)

-N8

Did you break any down to check tang dates?

pullnshoot25
04-06-2010, 3:29 PM
Did you break any down to check tang dates?

I did not. Since they are all round receivers and mostly with rough machining I figured they didn't have any funky stuff on them.

RudyN
04-06-2010, 3:32 PM
That looks like a good start!! :D:clap::clap::clap::jump:

Spiggy
04-06-2010, 4:27 PM
Oh yeah, because that would make sense... DOH! :)

My bayonet is stuck without being turned though, that is the issue. I may have to heat this sucker up to get it off.

Mosin bayonets are really sticky. I have a fun story about a time when one of our guys lifted his mosin (bayonet affixed) in triumph. The bayonet went through the ceiling. When he let go, it was stuck there, seemingly frozen in time. We left for lunch. When we got back, it was still there... 3 days later

Also have another fun story regarding a M44 and a leather couch. The couch never survived

Rukus
04-06-2010, 8:52 PM
One of the '44 Izzy's that I picked up is an all parts matching but has the Tula star on the bolt body, with the Izzy arrow in triangle on the cocking piece...

Big thanks to Nate for taking this on, it was quite the treat to walk in and see 20 or so rifles to take a pick from!

Jimmy310
04-06-2010, 9:23 PM
Dont underestimate those izzy's you guys. I have a 1943 Izzy m91/30 that can take off a zombies head with iron sights @ 300 yards. Let my remind you that the 1943 Izzy M91/30 was the most produced, least collectible, and "worst" year to get this rifle. My other C&R buddies who own everything from enfields to garands dont understand why my $99 dollar rifle is more accurate than theirs.

PS. that Bulgy 148gr lightball is amazing ammo!

Interloper
04-06-2010, 10:08 PM
Nothing whatsoever wrong with the Izzy's. I own a few Izzy rifles and carbines myself. For some reason I'm just drawn to the Tula's. Kind of a blondes vs. brunettes argument. One just speaks to you more than the other.

I don't know what's up with those bayonets. The rifles were carefully refurbed to make them ready for action right out of the box yet most of the bayos are too tight. If I were you I would put a few drops of oil or even a squirt of WD on it and let it stand upside down for awhile. I bet it comes right off. All the bayos I've had needed to be opened up a little before they would go on and off. I figured it was just my own bad luck.:confused:

pullnshoot25
04-06-2010, 10:36 PM
Dont underestimate those izzy's you guys. I have a 1943 Izzy m91/30 that can take off a zombies head with iron sights @ 300 yards. Let my remind you that the 1943 Izzy M91/30 was the most produced, least collectible, and "worst" year to get this rifle. My other C&R buddies who own everything from enfields to garands dont understand why my $99 dollar rifle is more accurate than theirs.

PS. that Bulgy 148gr lightball is amazing ammo!

+1 to that. I have a '43 Izzy as well :)

pullnshoot25
04-06-2010, 10:43 PM
Nothing whatsoever wrong with the Izzy's. I own a few Izzy rifles and carbines myself. For some reason I'm just drawn to the Tula's. Kind of a blondes vs. brunettes argument. One just speaks to you more than the other.

I don't know what's up with those bayonets. The rifles were carefully refurbed to make them ready for action right out of the box yet most of the bayos are too tight. If I were you I would put a few drops of oil or even a squirt of WD on it and let it stand upside down for awhile. I bet it comes right off. All the bayos I've had needed to be opened up a little before they would go on and off. I figured it was just my own bad luck.:confused:

I know! :)

I finally got the bayonet off by using a piece of wood against the edge of the bayonet and then smacking the wood with a hammer. It slid right off.

That plum bayonet is too cool so I think I will open it up just a bit :)

Spiggy
04-06-2010, 10:47 PM
aha! once again! trying to hit it has worked!

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 6:33 AM
Here is a somewhat crappy photo of the rifles I selected for myself. Top rifle is a 1939 Tula and the bottom rifle is a 1939 Izhevsk.

Enjoy!

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs105.snc3/15301_10150159059240212_733635211_12007422_3562798 _n.jpg

Nick1236
04-07-2010, 7:32 AM
Nothing whatsoever wrong with the Izzy's. I own a few Izzy rifles and carbines myself. For some reason I'm just drawn to the Tula's. Kind of a blondes vs. brunettes argument. One just speaks to you more than the other.

I don't know what's up with those bayonets. The rifles were carefully refurbed to make them ready for action right out of the box yet most of the bayos are too tight. If I were you I would put a few drops of oil or even a squirt of WD on it and let it stand upside down for awhile. I bet it comes right off. All the bayos I've had needed to be opened up a little before they would go on and off. I figured it was just my own bad luck.:confused:

I have a 1932 hex Izzy 91/30 and a 1943 Izzy M38. Both are great guns.

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 7:46 AM
I have a 1932 hex Izzy 91/30 and a 1943 Izzy M38. Both are great guns.

Jealousy pervades me!

Noonanda
04-07-2010, 8:09 AM
for those of you thinking about this be careful,..... Mosins are addictive.

I own about 12, and have 3 M-28/76's on the way. Im actually trying to thin down the herd some myself, gonna sell a few 91/30s

Interloper
04-07-2010, 10:05 AM
Here is a somewhat crappy photo of the rifles I selected for myself. Top rifle is a 1939 Tula and the bottom rifle is a 1939 Izhevsk.

Enjoy!

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs105.snc3/15301_10150159059240212_733635211_12007422_3562798 _n.jpg

Sisters!
I have set of Izzy/Tula sisters myself. They are '36's

rjf
04-07-2010, 10:34 AM
Where are the import marks? Barrel or receiver?

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 10:40 AM
Where are the import marks? Barrel or receiver?

7 digit string on the receiver and an import mark under the barrel near the front sight.

Noonanda
04-07-2010, 11:52 AM
7 digit string on the receiver and an import mark under the barrel near the front sight.

Century billboard import markings??

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 11:54 AM
Century billboard import markings??

IOINC. Typical Make/Model/Caliber/Importer on the barrel.

Rukus
04-07-2010, 1:31 PM
Are all 91/30's supposed to have tang dates on them? The '42 Izzy I picked up with the orange painted markings doesnt appear to have any sort of stamping on the tang, no date, no arsenal...nada.

professionalcoyotehunter
04-07-2010, 1:32 PM
I will keep my eyes on the For Sale section.:D

pullnshoot25
04-07-2010, 2:14 PM
Are all 91/30's supposed to have tang dates on them? The '42 Izzy I picked up with the orange painted markings doesnt appear to have any sort of stamping on the tang, no date, no arsenal...nada.

They should! You have to remove the stock to see the dates though. For the war time receivers it may be a little faint due to the rough machining and whatnot.

Rekrab
04-07-2010, 2:17 PM
for those of you thinking about this be careful,..... Mosins are addictive.

I own about 12, and have 3 M-28/76's on the way. Im actually trying to thin down the herd some myself, gonna sell a few 91/30s

If one of them happens to be Romanian... hit me up in PM >.>

mosinnagantm9130
04-07-2010, 3:34 PM
Are all 91/30's supposed to have tang dates on them? The '42 Izzy I picked up with the orange painted markings doesnt appear to have any sort of stamping on the tang, no date, no arsenal...nada.

From 7.62x54r.net:

Q. Why is the tang of my rifle not marked?

A. Receivers from 1891 until 1893 or 1894 were not marked on the tang, while Remington and New England Westinghouse did not date any receivers. They sometimes, but not always, placed arsenal marks on the bottom, sides or top of the tang. Some Soviet tang marks are stamped so lightly that they are barely visible while others are not dated, or not fully dated, for unknown reasons.

OrovilleTim
04-08-2010, 10:18 PM
I seen a couple people ask with no reply, so I'll ask again. Who is selling these by the crate right now?

Thanks

Rem1492
04-08-2010, 10:44 PM
I posted it in page 2 or 3, its IO inc that is selling them.

Dr. Peter Venkman
04-08-2010, 11:59 PM
for those of you thinking about this be careful,..... Mosins are addictive.

I own about 12, and have 3 M-28/76's on the way. Im actually trying to thin down the herd some myself, gonna sell a few 91/30s

If one of those 28/76's is a SKY one, mind saving it for me for about a year? :)

Harvey Mushman
04-10-2010, 1:48 PM
Has anyone shot one of these bad boys yet? Mine are just getting cleaned and decosmolined. Just wondering what kind of shooters these 40 turned out to be.



OK, here are more photos!

Undoing the screws

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200715PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200715PDT2010.jpg)

Removing the bayonets

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200722PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200722PDT2010-1.jpg)

<skipping lots of random photos of me grinning while soaked in cosmoline>

While doing my preliminary sorting process.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30200714PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30200714PDT2010.jpg)

All back in the crates.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205313PDT2010.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205313PDT2010.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205312PDT2010-2.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205312PDT2010-2.jpg)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/th_TueMar30205312PDT2010-1.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/pullnshoot25/?action=view&current=TueMar30205312PDT2010-1.jpg)

Tomorrow, Macadelic4 is going to come over and we are going to catalog all the serials on the guns and the bayonets to see if any of them match. At the moment I have selected a 1937 or 1941 Tula for my rifle but if I can get an all parts and bayonet matching rifle that will be pretty sweet...

I am going to be very sad to see these rifles go, I really wish I could keep them all. Alas though, my education calls! However, whence I am done I will (hopefully) be able to collect even more Mosins!

CARRY ON!

-N8