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Veritas_223
02-12-2006, 11:03 AM
Is there any legal way to use thus ROMANIAN ROMAK-3 7.62X54R SNIPER RIFLE KIT on an off list AK reciever? The funny thing is it comes with 4 10 round mags..

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=PKRIRO02

PanzerAce
02-12-2006, 11:19 AM
sigh....to be legal, you would have to get a different stock, and grind off the bayo lug (some have these, some dont). Also, the reason it comes with 10 round mags: thats the largest size there is for these. Be aware however that the DOJ is claiming that these are the same as ROMAK 991s, which they are not, but the 991 is on the list, so you might want to get a letter from the DOJ about these. Also, the search function is you friend, as I know of atleast 3 other times that this came up (first time was by me actually).

Sgt Raven
02-12-2006, 11:44 AM
sigh....to be legal, you would have to get a different stock, and grind off the bayo lug (some have these, some dont).

Bayo lugs aren't on the Kali list. :rolleyes:

Charliegone
02-12-2006, 12:02 PM
What I would like to know is what is actually written on the receiver. If it doesn't say ROMAK 3 we should be able to purchase it. Yeah by the way bayo lugs are ok in cali.:D

xenophobe
02-12-2006, 12:15 PM
On what receiver? On the unlisted receiver, or are you talking about a factory original Romanian PSL??

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/2392/vaarpsl0ka.jpg

These are banned by SB23, and you would have needed to have bought it before Jan 1, 2000. They are detachable magazine centerfire rifles with thumbhole stocks, and yes, they are marked ROMAK 3.

Charliegone
02-12-2006, 12:18 PM
Yeah but they sell the bare receiver so you can build them up. Is that one yours? It can be built with no thumbhole stock and with use with a regular stock like that of the saiga.

xenophobe
02-12-2006, 1:55 PM
No, that one is not mine, but it's identical to it. I was lucky and got one of the ones with the grey Romanian Valdada scopes. The later imports shipped with a black Russian PSO-1.

Yes, you can build them up on an unlisted receiver without the thumbhole stock.

morepoop4u
02-12-2006, 1:58 PM
So if we pin the mag like http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=28079&page=3

and use an off-list lower (vulcan, ewbanks, etc), we can order that kit and build that riffle with a thumbhole stock after we have the required # of compliance parts?:D

xenophobe
02-12-2006, 2:05 PM
Correct. But getting enough compliance parts for the PSL is the tough part. Since it is a sheet metal receiver..

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings[/b]
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Butt stocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, hand guards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Magazine Followers
(20) Magazine Floor plates

So it would have 15 imported parts, out of a total allowable import part count of 10. You can replace 4 fire control components, to bring that to 11 parts, but NONE of the other parts for the PSL have been made for compliance. I guess if you removed the muzzle break and put on a US one, you would be good to go.

PanzerAce
02-12-2006, 2:29 PM
Yeah by the way bayo lugs are ok in cali.:D

Oops :D

well, I know of a place that used to have complete rifles that would take off the buttstock before shipping to my FFL, so I could get a different one, but it looks like he doesnt have any in stock right now :(

Oh, and can some one show me where the ROMAK-3 is actually listed?

Pulsar
02-12-2006, 3:23 PM
As someone who has built one of thee kits I guess I should pine in.

The recievers don't say Romak 3 anywhere on em. The only writing I ever found on the one I worked on said "Dragunov made in Romania 762x54R"

That was the only writing found on the reciever. As for making it compliant with the ten parts or less game wouldn't be too hard as many of the components are interchangable with AK parts.

Personally, I'd just leave the stock alone and just come up with a pinned mag set up, would have to modify the mag so you could load it, and you might loose a little bit of capacity in doing so, but it saves a hell of a lot of work.

xenophobe
02-12-2006, 3:34 PM
The aftermarket receivers are NOT marked ROMAK 3. However the factory rifles ARE marked ROMAK 3, at least mine is:

Left side Trunion:
Rxxxx 1998 (serial + date of manufacture)
Receiver (below RPK bulge):
ROMAK - 3
7.62x54mm

Right side receiver:
RATMIL / CUGIR
MADE IN ROMANIA
D.I.G. Va. Bch. Va.

A Druganov is a completely different rifle.

berg
02-12-2006, 5:27 PM
Most of the PSL's (ROMAK-3) are now kit guns assembled on Romanian receivers. These receivers, as mentioned above, will say "DRAGUNOV" or "FPK" but not ROMAK-3. Only Century imported PSL's say romak-3. InterOrdnance imported PSL's say SSG-97. They are all the same rifle.

I don't think there's any need for a 10 US parts game on these as they are not prohibited from import into the US.

Veritas_223
02-12-2006, 5:37 PM
"I don't think there's any need for a 10 US parts game on these as they are not prohibited from import into the US."

That was my thinking. Off list US made AK receiver, pinned 10 round mag and the parts kit it should be Cali legal.. Anyone disagree? Any AK smiths in NorCal willing work on this?

olegk
02-12-2006, 5:37 PM
Here it is. Not USA made, though.
They willing to ship to Kali.

http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=1817&Category_Code=AKA+AK+RV
Is any US made around?

C.G.
02-12-2006, 5:44 PM
Here it is. Not USA made, though.
They willing to ship to Kali.

http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=1817&Category_Code=AKA+AK+RV
Is any US made around?

Word of caution; Florida Gun Works have a pretty bad name on other forums, seems they like to collect money whether they have something in stock or not and then you may have to wait for months or forever for your product.

olegk
02-12-2006, 5:50 PM
Thanks for warning..
Romak-3 is really grey area. Especially Romanian made receiver.
How they marked, by the way?

Another diller:
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/
The website is down or offline.

Some notes:

The brand new Romanians currently being imported and offered on the surplus market are made by CN Romarm SA/Cugir. Chambered in 7.62x54R and recently in 7.62x51, they carry the model designations of PSL or SSG-97. The PSL I worked with was chambered in the original 7.62x54R caliber and is imported by Century Arms Int.

The CN Romarm SA/Cugir not in the list

xenophobe
02-13-2006, 7:35 AM
Read post #12 for Romak markings.

Romak-3 is a pre-Century import. Mine was imported by D.I.G. of Virginia Beach VA... whomever that is.

EBWhite
02-13-2006, 9:16 AM
I wonder if there is anyway we coule get one of these 762x54 receivers sent to california and have them be legal?

I called centerfire and they are out of stock and could no remember what the make/model was on the receiver.

Flordia gun works has no number listed

Any other sources for these, i love to get one!

sv_sniper
02-13-2006, 10:38 AM
MilitaryGunSupply has Romak3 receivers. I don't know if they ship to Kali.:)

berg
02-13-2006, 10:39 AM
There's something you really need to consider if you are thinking about pinning the mag. If you have never loaded a 7.62x54R mag before you probably don't realize they are not loaded like a standard magazine.

Because of the rimmed case, and because of the mag design, you have to insert the cartridge starting at the center of the mag and slide back. You can't just place it square on top and push down. Each new cartridge must rest slightly in front of the last for it to feed properly.

Trying to get this down while jamming your finger through the ejection port, under the gas piston, will take some talent. You'd almost be better off installing a single shot sled.
http://www.dragunov.net/romak/donfromak5roundtop_sm.jpg

Pulsar
02-13-2006, 10:58 AM
I was actually thinking of making the magazine a bottom loader, tkae a lot of work, and you'd loose some capacity, but it should work.

olegk
02-13-2006, 12:43 PM
MilitaryGunSupply has Romak3 receivers. I don't know if they ship to Kali.:)
They will not. Just confirmed with them.

mltrading
02-13-2006, 12:46 PM
They will not. Just confirmed with them.


Too bad... any alt. resources?;)

69Mach1
03-20-2006, 11:15 AM
This place has them and are shipping them out to people on their waiting list. They should know if they have any left over next week. Get on their waiting list. The receivers are not marked ROMAK anywhere.

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/partskit.html

69Mach1
03-23-2006, 8:39 PM
Or get this one:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=45737107

olegk
03-23-2006, 10:03 PM
Or get vepr .308
Here:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=122&t=339063
I did business with him before

Builder
03-24-2006, 9:03 AM
<snip> use an off-list lower (vulcan, ewbanks, etc), we can order that kit and build that riffle with a thumbhole stock after we have the required # of compliance parts?:D
Just for completeness, even though the PSL is built on the AK design, the receiver is not an AK and thus an AK receiver (like those listed above) won't work. The front of the PSL receiver has a Yugo trunion design for greater trunion to receiver strength. The PSL mag well is larger. The gas piston is a little longer too. I can get the exact dimension if some one is interested. Other than that, they about the same. The PSL has the bayonet lug and the Romak-3 does not.
Thanks,
Builder

unimog_88
03-24-2006, 9:07 AM
So... are there any CA-legal commercial receivers for Romak3 available on the market?

EBWhite
03-24-2006, 10:42 AM
Yes, tickbitesupply.com offers them..

69Mach1
03-24-2006, 11:51 AM
Be aware that some receivers say ROMAK 3 on them. The ROMAK 991 is a listed CA AW. Too close for me. They are also based on the RPK, not the AK receiver. If you find a source, first ask what the markings are, second, buy it because they are hard to get right now, and third, please let the rest of us know your source.

PanzerAce
03-24-2006, 12:28 PM
69, the ROMAK 991 is for 7.62x39, whereas the PSL/ROMAK 3 is in 7.62x54R.

EBWhite
03-24-2006, 12:49 PM
The ones at tickbitesupply.com just say "made in romania psl paratrooper 7.62x54"

No romak markings

Steyr_223
10-30-2006, 10:49 PM
Has anyone built a 7.62x54r ROMANIAN ROMAK? What OLL did you use? Any pics? Fixed mag or detached filled stock?

PanzerAce
10-31-2006, 1:13 AM
Has anyone built a 7.62x54r ROMANIAN ROMAK? What OLL did you use? Any pics? Fixed mag or detached filled stock?

As far as I know, nobody on this board has built a romak3 yet.

NeoWeird
10-31-2006, 1:55 AM
As far as I know, nobody on this board has built a romak3 yet.

You sure of that?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40758&highlight=thumb

And was it Pulsar who earlier said he had also made one?

69Mach1
10-31-2006, 6:51 AM
I didn't build it. I just had the complete rifle shipped without the stock, filled in the stock, and reinstalled it. Kit's are $400 I think, and deicated PSL receivers are about $200, if you can find them both. Buying a complete only cost $200 more.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/hkSONY473.jpg

Steyr_223
10-31-2006, 10:07 AM
That is a great looking rifle 69Mach1! Where did you order it from? I would like to get a complete rifle as well without the stock. How did you fill the stock opening? Did you have to make other mods so it can accept detachable mags?

Builder
10-31-2006, 11:33 AM
As far as I know, nobody on this board has built a romak3 yet.I've attached a picture of the PSL that I've built. And a little more info is also available at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40411
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/DavidRSw/PSL.jpg
Thanks,
Builder

JPglee1
10-31-2006, 11:47 AM
Looks really cool Builder!!!

I wanna modify a regular AK kit to take .308...actually an AK74 bolt/carrier and an AK kit.

A couple people have done it, I'm just broke all the time and can't afford the parts right now/

I wanna do a .223 AK w/galil to M16 mag adaptor first.


J

PanzerAce
10-31-2006, 3:48 PM
I've attached a picture of the PSL that I've built. And a little more info is also available at http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40411
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/DavidRSw/PSL.jpg
Thanks,
Builder

damn, How the hell did I forget about that beuty? did you do a rivet build? and if so, how close are you to Merced :D

50 Freak
10-31-2006, 4:09 PM
Nevermind

Builder
10-31-2006, 4:47 PM
did you do a rivet build? This is a metric cap screw build.
how close are you to Merced :DSan Fernando Valley
Builder

69Mach1
10-31-2006, 7:19 PM
That is a great looking rifle 69Mach1! Where did you order it from? I would like to get a complete rifle as well without the stock. How did you fill the stock opening? Did you have to make other mods so it can accept detachable mags?

Thanks. Here's how I filled in the stock:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=40758

It was a private party sale from out of state. Check gunbroker, gunsamerica, and auction arms for them. Once the thumbhole is filled, using a detachable magazine is fine.