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holasrmateo
03-23-2010, 9:32 PM
I want to be consistent with my aim and grouping. I know it is a subjective question, but what distance is "standard" as far as pistol shooting is concerned? 25ft? 50ft? 75? Further? Everything lands on the paper and mostly in a group but what is "good".

Scratch705
03-23-2010, 9:39 PM
imo good is everything in the 10 circle. or smaller than your fist.

but good for "combat" is anything inside the body. especially hitting vital organs.

JTROKS
03-23-2010, 9:39 PM
One hole 5 shot group at 25 yards. LOL! I don't know, but I think it depends how fast you're shooting. If you're shooting for defensive purposes, off hand and your grouping is 4-6 inches at 25 yards then you are gold. If you're shooting a target grade pistol slow fire such as bulls eye matches then you need to practice some more.

rgs1975
03-23-2010, 9:40 PM
Most of my pistol shooting is at 10 yards. Most of my pistol shooting is practice with my carry weapons so I'd rather get the close distance more dialed into my head and hands than long range type stuff. For this shooting I'm hapy as long as it's all COM or head shots in the black.

I do like to go out to 25 yards for chits and giggles every now and then though. At that point I just want to see it in the black.

Kelvrick
03-23-2010, 9:51 PM
Personally, I'm happy with everything inside the 10 circle at the 7 yard line with 1 second between shots. At 25, everything within the 8 circle.

With how much I think accuracy will suffer in an actual situation where I need to shoot someone, I think I need to be at least that accurate.

holasrmateo
03-23-2010, 9:56 PM
imo good is everything in the 10 circle. or smaller than your fist.

but good for "combat" is anything inside the body. especially hitting vital organs.

lol how big is your fist?

Scratch705
03-23-2010, 10:05 PM
my fist is about slightly smaller than a CD.

holasrmateo
03-23-2010, 10:20 PM
my fist is about slightly smaller than a CD.

I figured. It just sounded like the size of your fist and a 10 in circle were equal.

Scratch705
03-23-2010, 10:23 PM
ha, that would be some small hands if i can fit my fist in the 10 circle on a pistol target.

5150bronco
03-23-2010, 10:44 PM
One hole 5 shot group at 25 yards. LOL! I don't know, but I think it depends how fast you're shooting. If you're shooting for defensive purposes, off hand and your grouping is 4-6 inches at 25 yards then you are gold. If you're shooting a target grade pistol slow fire such as bulls eye matches then you need to practice some more.

i would agree with this....or rapid fire, dumping clip 12 in circles at 25 yards. 2 sec pause maybe.

civilsnake
03-23-2010, 11:00 PM
For defensive practice, 30 feet with everything in the triangle, firing as fast as I can reacquire sight picture.

For fun, 50 feet trying to keep it in the little orange circle on the targets I use. Probably 3in or so.

demo
03-23-2010, 11:15 PM
I buy official NRA targets to benchmark my shooting. they are cheap. they even sell them at midways.. they sell ten yard targets, they sell rapid fire 25 yard targets, they sell lots of different types of target. it takes the guess work out of it.

I use the 25 yard slow fire pistol target. We shoot at them from 25 yards. and sometimes me and my buddies keep score. I shoot 6 shots and add up the points. last time I shot, I scored between 31 and 52.

anyway. if you hit the ten ring all day then you are a god, I've never landed all 6 in the ten ring. or, if you can't land on a scoring ring, then you need more practice.

9mmepiphany
03-23-2010, 11:35 PM
Most of my pistol shooting is at 10 yards. Most of my pistol shooting is practice with my carry weapons so I'd rather get the close distance more dialed into my head and hands than long range type stuff. For this shooting I'm hapy as long as it's all COM or head shots in the black.

I do like to go out to 25 yards for chits and giggles every now and then though. At that point I just want to see it in the black.
there's nothing wrongs with shooting at 10 yards, but i would call 25 yards long range...what i'm thinking when someone says long range is 100yards. 25 yards should be a regular part of your practice, because it doesn't allow you to cheat on your trigger press.

the "standard" of accuracy for a defensive pistol used to be 4" @ 50 yards from a roll-over prone shooting position.

when i instruct i start at 5-7 yards just to tune up the client's stance and grip. then i want to see a slow trigger press. this morning, i got a student from bracketing the black to 3 shots touching in about 30 mins of work mostly on grip, body position and trigger press at a pace of about 3 shots/2 secs...i will say that he did have pretty good trigger control to start with

Bug Splat
03-24-2010, 12:10 AM
I'd also consider 25 yards "long range" for pistols. If you are in a 25 yard gun fight you might be better off running.

I normally shoot at 10 yards. These days if I can keep everything in 2 inches I'm happy. Back when I was shooting twice a week I could put every bullet through the same hole. I have on my wall a target with 3 ragged holes in it. Each hole saw 17 rounds of 9mm through it from 15 yards. I was at the top of my game. I wish I had time to shoot that good again :(.

Practice! Practice! Practice!

Oldnoob
03-24-2010, 12:19 AM
Mine standard is 21'~30'. And shouldn't be bigger than 2.5" group if I fire slow. No rest, free stance, two hands. And most of store bought targets are way too big. I usually use xerox papers and color dot sticker. 5 bucks can make 150~300 targets, depend on if Staple was on sale or not.

Here is a example of my target:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/nmbh9mm.jpg
out of my Ruger NM blackhawk 9mm. 30' slow firing, at my good day. Can do similar with my top 3 semis.

I have never shoot beyond 75' with a pistol.

MarioS
03-24-2010, 10:36 AM
15 yards is about "standard" for me, however standard is defined...

There are some really good shooters on this board who will make a tight group in the 10-ring at 30+ yards with a Glock, but if you're punching a fist-sized group in the 10-ring at 15 yards with a long, nasty striker-fired trigger, you're doing a pretty good job in my opinion.

For defense, rapid fire, all A-zone hits at 10 yards in as stressful of a situation as you can create for yourself with your heart rate up and adrenaline going.

Black Majik
03-24-2010, 10:40 AM
Standard pistol grouping is .5" at 30 yards.

What....? You can't do it? ;)

SCMA-1
03-24-2010, 10:51 AM
One hole 5 shot group at 25 yards. LOL! I don't know, but I think it depends how fast you're shooting. If you're shooting for defensive purposes, off hand and your grouping is 4-6 inches at 25 yards then you are gold. If you're shooting a target grade pistol slow fire such as bulls eye matches then you need to practice some more.

^this^. Standing line practice for me is putting all my rounds at 25 yards on the head of an IPSC target. Then I do it with strong hand only and then weak hand only. All this while increasing my rate of fire.

hybridatsun350
03-24-2010, 10:54 AM
Most people focus on shooting at 7-10 yards as that is the average distance at which you will most likely be shooting in a defensive scenario. However, shooting at 25 or 50 yards can really improve your shooting. The focus necessary to get consistent groups at 25 yards is vastly greater than that needed at 7 yards so going back to 7 from 25 will seem like a joke and your shooting will improve.

9mmepiphany
03-24-2010, 12:31 PM
However, shooting at 25 or 50 yards can really improve your shooting. The focus necessary to get consistent groups at 25 yards is vastly greater than that needed at 7 yards so going back to 7 from 25 will seem like a joke and your shooting will improve.
this is true...you should always practice the harder shot to improve the easier shot.

FWIW: most gun sights are set up at the factory for 25 yards.

when i used to compete in PPC (back in the days when it was a revolver only event) the saying was, "you win at 50 yards and lose at 25 yards" at 50 yards we were shooting 24 rounds DA from 4 positions in 2.5 mins, then we moved up to 25 yards and had to put the last 6 rounds into the target standing without support in 12 sec. competitive shooters would usually "clean" (all shots inside the 10 ring on the B27) the 50 yard stage, but might throw a shot at the 25

rgs1975
03-24-2010, 7:26 PM
These are from my range trip today and I'm perfectly happy with them. I've seen better but I'm just fine with this. :)

7 yards, 24 shots, Federal American Eagle 230g FMJ

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/213/86235458.jpg


7 yards, 18 rounds, Federal American Eagle 230g FMJ

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2676/19274128.jpg


7 yards, 8 roundsd per target (1 magazine), Federal American Eagle 230g FMJ

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7522/56705999.jpg

daveinwoodland
03-24-2010, 7:31 PM
How about a T/C 7MM TCU open sights at 125 meters? Can hit a dinner plate sized gong pretty much every shot with the exception a rare one off wild one.