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2Cute2Shoot
03-23-2010, 8:56 AM
Hi there!

I've been wondering if there are any girls here on Calguns who are also somehow involved in law enforcement. I'm only 18, but for the past 6-8 months, I've been thinking about making law enforcement my career path. I've had so many people tell me it's a 'man's world' still in police work, so I'm kinda discouraged in that way. Even my counselor in high school told me I should think about doing something more 'girl friendly'.

I'm small, only 5' 3". I've heard so many bad things from guys who are federal. Like they have to do things they don't really agree with and work in a broken system, and only go up the ladder if they take transfers to terrible places. I really like the idea of staying in my hometown and doing something where I can feel like I'm making a difference. Some people told me to consider the military, but know I definitely won't do that. It's just my mom and me in the house, and I'm not ready to leave her on her own.

I want to know if you experience all those things people warn me about: sexual harassment, promotions going mainly to the men, every career in law enforcement being too dangerous for me, etc. I'm also told that I'm too girly to be in this field....at least in any part of it where I could be part of making my community safer. Anyway, I want to do something were I can feel proud that I'm serving, yet not have it be too much for me. How happy have you been as a girl working in law enforcement? Do you think it takes a lot of masculinity to succeed? Were you ever intimidated/treated badly by the guys? Thank you so much!!

Lucky7
03-23-2010, 9:03 AM
Have you looked at joining an explorer program with a local agency they will give you an idea of what it will be like and will help you with the hiring process. And you will get access to officers who will be happy to tell you everything you could ever want to know. Hope this helps somewhat.

doorman
03-23-2010, 9:11 AM
Have you looked at joining an explorer program with a local agency they will give you an idea of what it will be like and will help you with the hiring process. And you will get access to officers who will be happy to tell you everything you could ever want to know. Hope this helps somewhat.

+1 do this, it will help you make a more educated decision and give you something to put on your resume to show you are interested in more then just pay.

novabrian
03-23-2010, 9:23 AM
I live in Westminster Ca,which is Orange County and I have seen several police women/girls.I say that cause they look young.I think in the past few years there has been a steady incline of women officers.If that is what you want to do than don't waste time and go pursue it.

nrvnqsrxk
03-23-2010, 10:13 AM
Not a girl, but offering a viewpoint as an applicant for law enforcement.

It's great that you're considering your career choices so early. This gives you three years to prepare before you turn eligible to sign up. As others have said, joining an explorers program will give you great hands on experience and an insight into what the force actually looks like from the inside out. Go onto their website and see if they're taking any civilian volunteers or have any tours of the department.

At the most recent recruit testing, I know of two female applicants that dropped out. One was disqualified because she couldn't run fast enough. Another couldn't make it over a 6' wall. Both will be returning at a later date to finish their physical testing. It'll be a tougher road for you simply because of your size, but if you can work to 100 pushups, 100 situps, 20 pull ups, and run 2 miles in under 13 minutes, you'll be unstoppable and no one will be able to say anything. I think you will be able to do this in 3 years. The one concern I have is you getting into fights. As an officer, you will get into fights. What's to stop them from overpowering you, taking your gun, and having you at their mercy? Think about it.

Female applicants are attractive in big agencies that are looking to fill minority requirements. That being said, you'll be even more competitive with a college degree. I'm not sure where your hometown is, but you may want to see if being female will work to your advantage. Are you thinking about federal law enforcement? If you go to the FBI, you will be shipped off based on the bureau's needs..

Steyrlp10
03-23-2010, 11:45 AM
Glad you're considering an honorable career and asking questions of those who are in LE.

My oldest was in the Explorers and loved it. In addition to everyone else's suggestions, you might like to go on a few ride alongs. I'm not sure which city you're in, but there is also the Citizens Academy. It will allow you some insight into the workings of that particular department.

The fact that you're female should not deter you. I always thought a good cop was good because that individual did his/her job, not because of what gender or color he/she is. Because you're 5'3" (which is taller than me - lol), you may just have to train physically harder than your male counterparts, but that doesn't automatically mean you're slated for failure.

I have the honor of being friends with female cops who are on K9 and SWAT units. Do you think they let someone tell them they "can't?"

It's like any job, I think. You need to be motivated and really enjoy what you're doing. Otherwise, it's time for a career change.

Remember, there are also female firefighters out there.

Best of luck to you... give it your best shot, so you can look back and say you at least tried to do what you wanted to do and not have any regrets.

2Cute2Shoot
03-23-2010, 1:03 PM
Not a girl, but offering a viewpoint as an applicant for law enforcement.

It's great that you're considering your career choices so early. This gives you three years to prepare before you turn eligible to sign up. As others have said, joining an explorers program will give you great hands on experience and an insight into what the force actually looks like from the inside out. Go onto their website and see if they're taking any civilian volunteers or have any tours of the department.

At the most recent recruit testing, I know of two female applicants that dropped out. One was disqualified because she couldn't run fast enough. Another couldn't make it over a 6' wall. Both will be returning at a later date to finish their physical testing. It'll be a tougher road for you simply because of your size, but if you can work to 100 pushups, 100 situps, 20 pull ups, and run 2 miles in under 13 minutes, you'll be unstoppable and no one will be able to say anything. I think you will be able to do this in 3 years. The one concern I have is you getting into fights. As an officer, you will get into fights. What's to stop them from overpowering you, taking your gun, and having you at their mercy? Think about it.

Female applicants are attractive in big agencies that are looking to fill minority requirements. That being said, you'll be even more competitive with a college degree. I'm not sure where your hometown is, but you may want to see if being female will work to your advantage. Are you thinking about federal law enforcement? If you go to the FBI, you will be shipped off based on the bureau's needs..

I have to admit this is really intimidating to me. The physical goals are scary enough, but the other part is almost too scary. If I went into law enforcement, I would want to be able to do a good job at it. Not just fill a requirement that they have girls or minorities. I think those kind of requirements are terrible and I wouldn't want to be a part of it, especially if there are men out there that could do a better job protecting the public :( and they were making the whole community less safe by taking in girls who couldn't do the job as well physically.

A few months ago, I called the Peninsula Law Enforcement Explorers program and can you believe there was no one who could tell me what it would be like for girls?? Well hopefully there are some female law enforcement here that will pop up and say how it really is for girls! :)

prc104
03-23-2010, 2:06 PM
Also try www.officer.com , they have a California sub forum and probably a wider array of people (and opinions) who work directly in law enforcement.

Good Luck!

center_x
03-23-2010, 2:34 PM
Sorry, dont have any chick experiance, but from my experiance, its no longer a "Man's world". I think thats more in the past along with all of the thoughts about men being better than women (for the most part). It seems thats most agency's are looking for females over males. I personally think it all depends on the lady. If you have the personality for it, do it. Just be sure thats what you want. Maybe you could try a few ride alongs and see how you like it.

2Cute2Shoot
03-23-2010, 4:13 PM
Also try www.officer.com , they have a California sub forum and probably a wider array of people (and opinions) who work directly in law enforcement.

Good Luck!

Thank you for the website Prc! I'm surprised there are no law enforcement girls here at Calguns:confused:

Backinblack1234
03-23-2010, 4:42 PM
Don't be afraid. My Criminology teacher at Skyline College is about 5'3 and she worked for Federal Law Enforcement. Don't let your counselor dissuade your dreams. You can maybe look into LEO for State Colleges.

grammaton76
03-23-2010, 4:45 PM
You might find this thread to be useful... this was a female inquiry in the LEO forum a while back, and had some neat info:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=249936

2Cute2Shoot
03-28-2010, 9:37 AM
Don't be afraid. My Criminology teacher at Skyline College is about 5'3 and she worked for Federal Law Enforcement. Don't let your counselor dissuade your dreams. You can maybe look into LEO for State Colleges.

Hi Black! I'm near to Skyline College...in San Bruno, right? I would love to talk to your criminology teacher...if you think she's a good person to talk to? Cuz I'm 5' 3" as well and am petite but just wonder if someone like me could make it in law enforcement. How would you describe her besides height? If you think she would be good for me to talk to, I definitely will!

2Cute2Shoot
03-28-2010, 9:45 AM
You might find this thread to be useful... this was a female inquiry in the LEO forum a while back, and had some neat info:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=249936

Thanks Grammaton! That was good information. I'm just sad there aren't any more female officers on this site...which is something I was really hoping for.

BigDogatPlay
03-28-2010, 10:17 AM
I worked with a number of females over the course of my career. One of the toughest was all of 5-4 and maybe a hundred twenty pounds wringing wet. She took no guff from anyone, and if there had to be a fight I wanted her on my side. I worked with other women who were complete duds.

But the same rules apply to men... there are great cops and there are duds. Gender has absolutely no basis as to ability.

As above, if you are truly interested look into an explorer program while you are still eligible age-wise. Also consider doing a citizen's academy for the opportunity to have a high level overview and get a couple of ride alongs.

If you are serious, start improving your physical condition. Upper body strength and endurance are what you will need to focus on. Start biking progressively longer distances, then start running. Push ups and pull ups are okay, but do some targeted weight work on your arms, shoulders and chest.

2Cute2Shoot
03-28-2010, 4:20 PM
I worked with a number of females over the course of my career. One of the toughest was all of 5-4 and maybe a hundred twenty pounds wringing wet. She took no guff from anyone, and if there had to be a fight I wanted her on my side. I worked with other women who were complete duds.

But the same rules apply to men... there are great cops and there are duds. Gender has absolutely no basis as to ability.

As above, if you are truly interested look into an explorer program while you are still eligible age-wise. Also consider doing a citizen's academy for the opportunity to have a high level overview and get a couple of ride alongs.

If you are serious, start improving your physical condition. Upper body strength and endurance are what you will need to focus on. Start biking progressively longer distances, then start running. Push ups and pull ups are okay, but do some targeted weight work on your arms, shoulders and chest.

Thanks Big Dog! It's good to hear that someone my size was able to make it. Physically, I enjoy running so that isn't too much of a problem, and I don't think situps are a problem, but I can't do more than 5 pushups (the boy way). I hate weight training, but I guess I should start now. I really appreciate all the advice :)

Doheny
03-28-2010, 4:28 PM
You seem pretty intelligent. If you want to be a real hero, become a fire fighter.

Granted, you'll need to score higher on the test...

;)

2Cute2Shoot
03-28-2010, 4:38 PM
You seem pretty intelligent. If you want to be a real hero, become a fire fighter.

Granted, you'll need to score higher on the test...

;)

I would love to! My dad and I talked about it last year. He asked me "do you think you could ever carry a 6' man out of a burning building?"

I had to answer truthfully no. I don't think it's right for a woman to take a spot, especially if it's because of a quota, where she couldn't perform in the way that's needed. It's bad for everyone. One of the reasons I keep asking about the police is that I don't want to make the same mistake there.

I would love to serve and do something I'm proud of, but not if it means a single person might ever get hurt because I too small or not strong enough as a man that I took that job away from that might have been able to save a life that I couldn't. Trust me, I think about this all the time!

Backinblack1234
03-28-2010, 10:36 PM
Hi Black! I'm near to Skyline College...in San Bruno, right? I would love to talk to your criminology teacher...if you think she's a good person to talk to? Cuz I'm 5' 3" as well and am petite but just wonder if someone like me could make it in law enforcement. How would you describe her besides height? If you think she would be good for me to talk to, I definitely will!

You should talk to her. Maybe take a class at Skyline.

supertrooper
03-29-2010, 3:05 AM
not a girl but i deal with cops almost daily at work and have family and friends that are cops. one of them is a girl with the LA sheriffs dept.
as for the explorers, i was one for a few years back in high school and it was a great experiance. you should join and do some ride alongs. i think you size is not as big of a factor as your attitude. going on ride alongs will give you an idea if you like the job and if you can deal with the F'ed up people they deal with and the things they see on the job.

Chk Chk Boom
03-29-2010, 11:24 AM
Get your degree first. Or at the very least, make progress towards it (if you aren't already; you just made it sound like you weren't going to school).

I just turned 19 a few months ago and looked into becoming an LEO last year. You generally need to be 21 to start the academy anyway, so you have plenty of time. Your local JC criminal justice (or equivalent) department is bound to have former LEO's and maybe even a female one. My JC has a 30+ year veteran of LAPD and his wife is currently a Lt. in LASD. The info is out there, and they're always open to welcome another into the "blue brotherhood".

Good luck!
Jeff

Cowboy T
03-29-2010, 2:27 PM
Your size doesn't have to be a problem if you don't let it. Just train hard. Look at Mugsy Biggs. He's only 5 foot 3, but he had a great career in the NBA! And Spud Webb remains legendary.

I happen to know the first female US Air Marshal. These are the Air Marshals that got created in the aftermath of Sept. 11th. I took the NRA Basic Pistol Course from her. She's about 5 foot 2, tiny wisp of a thing. She's in her what, early-to-mid-40's, and she's as girly as a girly-woman can be. She said that her chief tool is showing respect for the bad guy, and this gets her more cooperation than all her martial arts training has ever gotten her.

Good luck! And yep, get your degree first!

leitung
04-13-2010, 4:43 PM
I have worked with many female cops before, and I have met some that are pretty bad a**. I have seen many female officers in probation or parole before that are 5'2 & 5'3 before and a couple working for ABC. If it's your dream then go for it, it's a damm fun job but it's also very stressful. I am still looking into it but I am waiting for the economy to bounce back and hiring starts again.

masameet
04-13-2010, 8:38 PM
I've met a couple of male cops who were my height (with shoes) -- 5'3" -- and some female cops who were shorter than me. In the past few years I've met and talked with a number of cops. IMO a cop is not judged by his height but by his words, his actions, and his heart.

2Cute2Shoot, if something of our personalities can be deduced from reading our posts, then I'd say you have a good head on your shoulders. Most likely you'd do well in any career you chose. For sure, get your college degree. And if LE is a career you really want, at least discover which LE field is for you.

2Cute2Shoot
04-13-2010, 11:24 PM
I've met a couple of male cops who were my height (with shoes) -- 5'3" -- and some female cops who were shorter than me. In the past few years I've met and talked with a number of cops. IMO a cop is not judged by his height but by his words, his actions, and his heart.

2Cute2Shoot, if something of our personalities can be deduced from reading our posts, then I'd say you have a good head on your shoulders. Most likely you'd do well in any career you chose. For sure, get your college degree. And if LE is a career you really want, at least discover which LE field is for you.

Masameet, that is so nice of you to say :). I know we don't know eachother, and I need to take what people say here with a grain of salt, but after hearing a lot of negative and really questioning what I want to do, it really makes me feel good to hear something like that from you! You're sweet :)

xxsleepyxx
04-14-2010, 11:50 AM
Make sure you meet the very basic requirements. Have you been convicted of a crime, done drugs more than once, have disorders like ADD, too sexy? All of these will potentially disqualify you.

Fireguy
04-17-2010, 2:07 AM
2Cute, I was a firefighter for 32 years in a major eastbay city with a high murder rate. For the life of me I don't understand why anyone wants to be a cop. So don't worry about what people say if you want to be a cop go for it. You have to be prepared by taking classes at least get an AA degree in criminal justice you may need a 4 year degree to be comepetative in the testing process.
There are 1000's of people applying for just a few jobs as a police officer and many more than that want to be a firefighters. Meet with a career councilor at school or at a Junior College to help you along your career path.

Good Luck in your career search.

FastFinger
04-17-2010, 8:05 AM
Another avenue to consider is being a parole officer. I have a good friend and she love her job, based in Santa Cruz.

EBWhite
04-17-2010, 12:50 PM
Don't turn into a slut and screw the whole dept to climb the ladder. Yes it happens and works, but screws you back in the long run

banzaijohn
04-17-2010, 2:56 PM
LAPD has the Candidate Assistance Program (CAP) hosted by the Recruitment and Employment Division (RED) LAPD loves acroynms. You volunteer Tuesdays and Thursdays nights and Saturday (I think, may have changed formats) and they condition you, teach you to march etc, basically a pre-academy. It'll them a year to do your background anyway... http://www.joinlapd.com/index2.html

johnthomas
04-17-2010, 3:47 PM
Don't turn into a slut and screw the whole dept to climb the ladder. Yes it happens and works, but screws you back in the long run

Wow!!!!!! Really had to go there? You don't know this young lady and brought something as personal up as this?
I am sure there are plenty of female's that will steer her in the right direction.

2Cute2Shoot
04-17-2010, 4:59 PM
Don't turn into a slut and screw the whole dept to climb the ladder. Yes it happens and works, but screws you back in the long run

Wow!!!!!! Really had to go there? You don't know this young lady and brought something as personal up as this?
I am sure there are plenty of female's that will steer her in the right direction.

I know, right? But I think EB had only good intentions and trust me, if that were my route, I don't think I would select law enforcement!

2Cute2Shoot
04-17-2010, 5:04 PM
I have worked with many female cops before, and I have met some that are pretty bad a**. I have seen many female officers in probation or parole before that are 5'2 & 5'3 before and a couple working for ABC. If it's your dream then go for it, it's a damm fun job but it's also very stressful. I am still looking into it but I am waiting for the economy to bounce back and hiring starts again.

So many of you have told me you have known good female police. But people also tell me that departments let girls in because of quotas. I don't like the sound of that. I don't want to get in somewhere that I shouldn't just because of a quote, and even worse, end up somewhere that I really shouldn't be. That could cause me to do a bad job or even put my life in danger.

I hope some of the law enforcement men here (since there are so few LEO girls here) can answer honestly about the girls they have served with. Do you think a lot of them got there because of quota? Are there some that really should be in a safer position? I want to always keep this in mind as I pursue my career and I am (have spoken with a female at the San Jose Police Dept., and will do the cadet program).

My dad used to feel that way on the higher level. He used to always complain about...I can't remember her name but a female...I think asian police chief in SF? I guess she did all kinds of dumb stuff, couldn't even qualify with her gun, didn't have lots of experience, but made it all that way anyway, partially because she was female, just to do a bad job. I don't want to be that...EVER!

Steyrlp10
04-17-2010, 5:24 PM
My dad used to feel that way on the higher level. He used to always complain about...I can't remember her name but a female...I think asian police chief in SF? I guess she did all kinds of dumb stuff, couldn't even qualify with her gun, didn't have lots of experience, but made it all that way anyway, partially because she was female, just to do a bad job. I don't want to be that...EVER!

He must be referring to Heather Fong.

One of my good friends is a retired deputy chief of a major police department. She worked her way up the ranks and was both a K9 and SWAT officer. I can tell you in all honesty that she did not succeed by being a "slut" as one of the other posters stated. She also won several awards in pistol -- against other male officers.

You already know my thoughts on this topic. I believe that whatever choice you make, you will act with intelligence and integrity.

9mmepiphany
04-17-2010, 7:41 PM
I think asian police chief in SF? I guess she did all kinds of dumb stuff, couldn't even qualify with her gun, didn't have lots of experience, but made it all that way anyway, partially because she was female, just to do a bad job.
that was Heather Fong

there is a truism in LE...which also generally applies to life as a whole..."they promote you to your level of incompetence"

EBWhite
04-18-2010, 2:19 PM
Wow!!!!!! Really had to go there? You don't know this young lady and brought something as personal up as this?
I am sure there are plenty of female's that will steer her in the right direction.

As a LEO- I see too many nice girls get wrapped up in other male cops helping them out (just to get some) They give in and its hard when there are so many guys being nice to pick from. It does help them out but soon they get a bad rap....Just trying to help...

johnthomas
04-18-2010, 2:43 PM
As a LEO- I see too many nice girls get wrapped up in other male cops helping them out (just to get some) They give in and its hard when there are so many guys being nice to pick from. It does help them out but soon they get a bad rap....Just trying to help...

Worded differently, that is great advice. I'm sorry I responded as I did. Sometimes we have something in our head and pop off too quickly. JT

2Cute2Shoot
04-18-2010, 4:15 PM
As a LEO- I see too many nice girls get wrapped up in other male cops helping them out (just to get some) They give in and its hard when there are so many guys being nice to pick from. It does help them out but soon they get a bad rap....Just trying to help...

I think that can be true in any field...or any thing! If a girl is playing up her sexuality to get things...with a lot of guys she can get her way, but that's being a real tease...and ruthless IMO. That's why I try never to take anything from a guy. Even if I'm not purposely using being a girl, you never know what a guy might be thinking, or innocently hoping...and I would never want to use anybody like that :). Maybe that means I won't get far, but at least I'll feel good about myself!

center_x
04-19-2010, 7:13 PM
Amazing where this thread has gone. Would have never guessed.

2Cute2Shoot
04-19-2010, 8:11 PM
Amazing where this thread has gone. Would have never guessed.

I know, right? That's what makes Calguns so much fun! The people are CRAZY :nuts:

I always have to check back to see what happens next :)

center_x
04-19-2010, 8:27 PM
Serious huh, it never gets old! I sometimes get on Calguns just for simple entertainment.

p2pjunky
04-22-2010, 7:22 PM
I have to admit this is really intimidating to me. The physical goals are scary enough, but the other part is almost too scary. If I went into law enforcement, I would want to be able to do a good job at it. Not just fill a requirement that they have girls or minorities. I think those kind of requirements are terrible and I wouldn't want to be a part of it, especially if there are men out there that could do a better job protecting the public :( and they were making the whole community less safe by taking in girls who couldn't do the job as well physically.

You have three years for physical training and to get educational/related experience. If it's truly your dream, give it your all - until you do you won't know what your potential (and limits) really are.

From personal military experience I've met women smaller than yourself who could kick 90% of the men's a**. Granted you have to try harder, but if it's your dream there's no reason that you can't be a great LEO, and not just part of the recruiter's minority quota.

If you need an example look at Kimberley Munley, the 5'4" 120 lb cop that ended the Ft Hood massacre. "Her partner in Wrightsville, Investigator Shaun Appler, recalled how Sergeant Munley saved him one night when she wrestled a large man off him after the man had pinned him down and was trying to take his gun."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's perfectly possible for you to be a great LEO, the only question is how bad do you want it?

2Cute2Shoot
04-22-2010, 11:00 PM
You have three years for physical training and to get educational/related experience. If it's truly your dream, give it your all - until you do you won't know what your potential (and limits) really are.

From personal military experience I've met women smaller than yourself who could kick 90% of the men's a**. Granted you have to try harder, but if it's your dream there's no reason that you can't be a great LEO, and not just part of the recruiter's minority quota.

If you need an example look at Kimberley Munley, the 5'4" 120 lb cop that ended the Ft Hood massacre. "Her partner in Wrightsville, Investigator Shaun Appler, recalled how Sergeant Munley saved him one night when she wrestled a large man off him after the man had pinned him down and was trying to take his gun."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's perfectly possible for you to be a great LEO, the only question is how bad do you want it?

Hi P2P! Wow, your first post something so nice on this thread! :) I completely forgot about Kimberly Munley and how proud she made me feel. Thank you for remembering her and bringing her up!

Regarding physical training, I like running and do 3 miles at a 10 minute pace 2 or 3 times a week. I really am thinking about trying to gain some weight. The Dr. always tells me I have low iron and low blood pressure and I would probably be stronger if I ate more protein. I think I'm going to start some weight training and my brother said I could get on his protein and amino acids with him. Girls always feel pressure to stay so skinny, but who cares if i get a little fat, right?

p2pjunky
04-23-2010, 6:48 AM
Regarding physical training, I like running and do 3 miles at a 10 minute pace 2 or 3 times a week. I really am thinking about trying to gain some weight. The Dr. always tells me I have low iron and low blood pressure and I would probably be stronger if I ate more protein. I think I'm going to start some weight training and my brother said I could get on his protein and amino acids with him. Girls always feel pressure to stay so skinny, but who cares if i get a little fat, right?

Running is great for building a base cardio fitness level - but you should start concentrating on upper body (while keeping up running). A professional fitness/weights and nutrition course is probably the best place to start off, as they can give you the best and healthiest techniques to reach your physical peak, and dispel allot of fitness/nutrition myths you'll hear from friends or people at the gym. Everybody has their own pet fitness secret/system/shortcut - just ignore fads and listen to the fitness professionals. It's all about forming the right eating and exercise habits for life, instead of trying to become a triathlete in two months.

Hope that gives you some good ideas

homerm14
04-23-2010, 7:14 AM
My old partner is female and 5'04. I went through the Academy with her and she had no real problems. Yes it is a lot more physically challenging to make it through but totally doable. I will also point out she was much better at defusing situations verbally than I was. People seemed to be less threatened by her and would listen instead of becoming confrontational. I am also an FTO and have trained plenty of female officers who had no problem doing the job. In all seriousness size is not always everything. I am 6' 205 and have had to deal with people much bigger than me. Use your wits and your training which means don't become complacent, and always continue to train. As some have pointed out there are plenty of men that are of smaller stature on the job that do just fine. There are also plenty of large men that are totally worthless.

straightpuke
04-23-2010, 9:33 AM
I'm an explorer for Westminster Police Department and there are many women officers there. I went on a ride-along with one also and it was like any other ride-along. It was awesome.

2Cute2Shoot
04-23-2010, 12:34 PM
I'm an explorer for Westminster Police Department and there are many women officers there. I went on a ride-along with one also and it was like any other ride-along. It was awesome.

that's awesome. I called all around and couldn't find a ride along with a female officer anywhere near San Mateo (Bay Area). Too bad you're so far away!:(

Dirtbiker
04-23-2010, 3:36 PM
I had three girls in my academy class not one over 5'4 120. They referred to themselves (in fun) as Charlie's Angels because all three were beautiful and one had black hair, the other brown and of course the third was blonde.

Only one succeeded as a police office the other two, while the did great in the academy, just weren't cut out mentally for the job. That's not a slight, the job just isn't for everyone.

My class graduated 13 and only 5 are still cops 10 years later.

2Cute2Shoot
04-23-2010, 7:35 PM
I had three girls in my academy class not one over 5'4 120. They referred to themselves (in fun) as Charlie's Angels because all three were beautiful and one had black hair, the other brown and of course the third was blonde.

Only one succeeded as a police office the other two, while the did great in the academy, just weren't cut out mentally for the job. That's not a slight, the job just isn't for everyone.

My class graduated 13 and only 5 are still cops 10 years later.

I keep hearing things like that - that girls never end up sticking in law enforcement. :( I really want to know why!

grammaton76
04-26-2010, 5:51 PM
I keep hearing things like that - that girls never end up sticking in law enforcement. :( I really want to know why!

I suspect a good number of 'em decide they don't want to take risks after having kids. It thins women out of a lot of other professions, but I imagine the life-and-death risk in being an LEO would probably thin that profession more aggressively.

Axewound
04-26-2010, 11:17 PM
It's the best job in the world.
There are women where I work that I would much rather have then some of my male counter parts backing me up. I've seen some females really hang in there when it comes to things like stacking drills. You'll be fine as long as you stay mentally tough, and be loud. Officers presence should be your first skill to master at the academy

2Cute2Shoot
04-27-2010, 10:27 AM
I suspect a good number of 'em decide they don't want to take risks after having kids. It thins women out of a lot of other professions, but I imagine the life-and-death risk in being an LEO would probably thin that profession more aggressively.

that's true and I never thought of it :(. When you have children of your own, you really have to think about the risks that you take, and maybe change how you live your life. I think I would feel the same about my husband too though. I wouldn't want to be left alone with our children who didn't even have a father anymore if something happened to him! But i guess a mother is something else. I would have to ask myself if I would want to continue in this career and serving the community once I had a little boy or girl depending on me.

Dirtbiker
04-27-2010, 2:00 PM
There are a lot of fields in law enforcement. My buddy's (and former academy classmate) wife is a ballistics expert in a major crime lab in Ca. She gets to help solve crime and doesn't have to carry a gun.

Foriegn power
05-05-2010, 8:55 AM
'Major crime lab in Ca,' is that crime lab in the california state university of LA?

Dirtbiker
05-05-2010, 9:13 AM
Sorry I can't and won't give details about her employment beyond what I stated.

center_x
05-05-2010, 3:52 PM
I keep hearing things like that - that girls never end up sticking in law enforcement. :( I really want to know why!

FAIL! I know plenty of guys who never stick to LE also. It goes hand and hand. Its a job. Both genders quit jobs for whatever reasons.

Im pretty sure Alameda County Sheriff's Department and Auburn Police Department have a female Sheriff/ Cheif and Im sure there is more. They didnt get their positions by quitting or thinking they could not do their jobs because of their gender.

I also know plenty of women deputies that can kick my a** and have been in LE for over ten years.

2cute- your on the right track. Dont let anyone set you aside to what you want. If you want it enough, you'll get it.

2Cute2Shoot
05-05-2010, 5:55 PM
FAIL! I know plenty of guys who never stick to LE also. It goes hand and hand. Its a job. Both genders quit jobs for whatever reasons.

Im pretty sure Alameda County Sheriff's Department and Auburn Police Department have a female Sheriff/ Cheif and Im sure there is more. They didnt get their positions by quitting or thinking they could not do their jobs because of their gender.

I also know plenty of women deputies that can kick my a** and have been in LE for over ten years.

2cute- your on the right track. Dont let anyone set you aside to what you want. If you want it enough, you'll get it.

Thank you for your nice thoughts Wes :)! Yeah, I don't want to quit at law enforcement. I don't know if it's my dream, but I really would like to do something like that. I still am interested in why so many people say female officers don't make it :(. I wonder if there are any statistics?

olhunter
05-06-2010, 2:49 PM
I keep hearing things like that - that girls never end up sticking in law enforcement. :( I really want to know why!

Catching bad guys is the easy (and fun) part. Dealing with the broken lives is the hard part. Interviewing the 5-year-old rape victim, comforting the little boy sitting on the curb who's whole family just got wiped out in a traffic accident, taking a report from someone who just had their entire lives stolen from them, knocking on someone's door at 3am to tell them their loved one is dead. And doing it in a professional, emotionally detached manner. Dead bodies, pain, despair, suicides, poverty...it will get to you. Women seem to have a harder time becoming emotionally detached. So, you either become an emotional hard-***, you quit, you die of a stroke/heart attack at 55 or you eat your gun. The bigger the city, the worse it is. Not to depress you, but most people think LE is just arresting bad guys and getting in a 'high speed pursuit of the Bandit'.

amndacatr
05-07-2010, 2:09 AM
If you are really serious about choosing this as your profession, I wouldn't say it's bad, but I would rather suggest you to get moving to a rather safer department as the time progresses. This would matter when you have kids, I have seen many mothers who back off for the sake of their children, it's not that they don't love their job but children comes before the job. So, I would suggest you to go pursue your dreams and give your best and if the going gets tough quit. This would still keep you high, as you made it where very less women have dared to reach. Good luck!!

2Cute2Shoot
05-07-2010, 10:13 AM
If you are really serious about choosing this as your profession, I wouldn't say it's bad, but I would rather suggest you to get moving to a rather safer department as the time progresses. This would matter when you have kids, I have seen many mothers who back off for the sake of their children, it's not that they don't love their job but children comes before the job. So, I would suggest you to go pursue your dreams and give your best and if the going gets tough quit. This would still keep you high, as you made it where very less women have dared to reach. Good luck!!

You're totally right. I really haven't thought about how I will feel when/if I have children, or how my husband would feel about his wife doing something that might be dangerous. How am I ever supposed to know about things like that though? :confused: It's something so far into the future. I think that would even be a consideration for a guy to? Wouldn't it?

9mmepiphany
05-07-2010, 12:34 PM
LE isn't as dangerous as many people believe...just ask the life insurance companies...it is really more stressful than anything else

oddjob
05-08-2010, 11:14 AM
I am not trying to discourage you, but I have seen a lot less females retire at regular
retirement age than males (on a percentage basis). More (to me) seem to retire on a medical. Women don't seem to last on patrol either. The "attitude" really changes when the females have children. I do understand the change though.

Having said that here is my suggestion. Get a job at a large PD or SO that has permanent investigative positions. A lot of smaller agencies tend rotate their investigators. Larger departments also offer more "light duty" positions in the event of injury (on duty or off and for things like pregnancies). There are more assignments as well (recruiting, horse patrol, air ops, training & etc).

Don't get me wrong its a great career. I did it for 31 yrs and had a great time. Very little stress comes from the streets.....it comes from poor management.

Try contacting groups like this for more information. http://www.wpoaca.com/ Groups like this are a valuable source of all sorts of information. In any case I wish you luck.

develown
05-08-2010, 6:41 PM
I'm not in law enforcement or a female for that matter, but i can tell you how it is in the military.

On the whole it seems to me females get a lot more breaks and get promoted faster as opposed to males. I think most people are afraid of being accused of being sexist or having a complaint filed on them under the several different army programs that are designed to combat sexual harassment and things of that nature. Personally i like to call it reverse sexism. Most male superiors wont seriously punish a female, i guess their afraid their to fragile and might break them.

Also, the reason less females stay on to retirement is usually because they decide to raise a family at some point as opposed to being kicked out or medically chaptered or any thing like that. (this isn't just my opinion, i saw an article on this at some point)

I would bet on a stack of phone books that its probably pretty similar for law enforcement, especially if its a federal agency. The way i see it, what do you have to lose? Law enforcement isn't like the military, your not stuck there for several years, you have the freedom to quit.

Hope this helps.

Dr. Peter Venkman
05-17-2010, 4:29 PM
PM sent.

Sicarius
05-17-2010, 7:36 PM
I have a friend that is an officer(SF) and it is brutal work. When you first start, you get the crappy shifts... All is fair... low man on the totem pole but you have no personal life. You sleep during the day... can't meet with friends and such. If you are in a relationship... it will definately take its toll on it if not right out fail. The work is hard itself and potentially very dangerous. Injuries are definately there and you get to witness some extremely grousome things out there. You work a lot of overtime $$. A lot. You can be filling reports 3, 4+ hours after you were suppose to be off. The days off you have you are kinda expected to show up to court for whatever traffic violations and what not that you ticketed beforehand. You work nights for the first few years then you go to court during your day on your day off... I am in no way trying to talk you out of anything but it gives you a perspective as to why some people just can't stick with it. It's totally understandable if you ask me. Say you want to have kids later on... You have to reprioritize for your family. Most officers you talk to have marriage issues(male... havn't talked to female ones about home life yet). Devorced several times in many cases. It's not just a job... it becomes your lifestyle.
Of course that is for SF. Foster City just has its first murder in 10 years about a year ago... Really depends on where you go...
Kevin

2Cute2Shoot
05-18-2010, 1:29 PM
I have a friend that is an officer(SF) and it is brutal work. When you first start, you get the crappy shifts... All is fair... low man on the totem pole but you have no personal life. You sleep during the day... can't meet with friends and such. If you are in a relationship... it will definately take its toll on it if not right out fail. The work is hard itself and potentially very dangerous. Injuries are definately there and you get to witness some extremely grousome things out there. You work a lot of overtime $$. A lot. You can be filling reports 3, 4+ hours after you were suppose to be off. The days off you have you are kinda expected to show up to court for whatever traffic violations and what not that you ticketed beforehand. You work nights for the first few years then you go to court during your day on your day off... I am in no way trying to talk you out of anything but it gives you a perspective as to why some people just can't stick with it. It's totally understandable if you ask me. Say you want to have kids later on... You have to reprioritize for your family. Most officers you talk to have marriage issues(male... havn't talked to female ones about home life yet). Devorced several times in many cases. It's not just a job... it becomes your lifestyle.
Of course that is for SF. Foster City just has its first murder in 10 years about a year ago... Really depends on where you go...
Kevin

Most of the people who give me their real stories...they are always horrible stories and make is sound so tough :(. And people always ask me if I am ready for that, but my question to that is 'how do you know? if you have never dealt with any of those things? But anyway, thank you so much and I plan to keep up with school and I plan to gain strength physically (even if it means gaining weight :(). And I also plan to try the San Jose Cadet program after summer and do a martial art during summer. Hopefully as the years go by, I will know better what I can handle :)

Sicarius
05-18-2010, 4:25 PM
By all means give it a shot. I am in no way trying to discourage you from exploring the option. Just giving you a perspective of an SF officer has to go through and how it affects his personal life. He still is an officer and I doubt he would trade it for any other job. Give it an honest chance if that is where your heart is. At the very least you said that you tried.
Kevin

oddjob
05-18-2010, 9:14 PM
The bad stories are just that. The worst side of the job. The best??? Its a great job, steady pay, good benefits, meet great people (not the crooks), and its fun! I can honestly say I got paid to have fun!!! But the bottom line is life changes when you have kids. It does, but you can adapt if you are willing to change. I did and I was a father (still am).

2Cute2Shoot
08-23-2010, 10:46 PM
well i got some sad advice last week :( and i have been so depressed about it and thinking of it all weekend. :( Anyway, someone, and i will not say who because they are nice and only trying to be honest, had a talk with me and was telling me i should definitely not try to be a sheriff's deputy as my career.

He was telling me about the different levels of force such as pepper spray and taser and bean bag and how officers today cannot just draw their weapon if they are feeling threatened. So he was also saying that if i was dealing with some violent aggressive person, i could not just draw my gun or use my gun to threaten him because that would just end up getting the dept sued over and over again. I totally understood that but then he was saying that i have to be ready to beat up and get beaten up by the bad guys which is just what policing is today and he said he was positive that no girl or even some guys who are not so tall/big can do that. :confused:

One reason i am not saying who this is is because i do not want him/his office to be bashed because he is just saying what he thinks is true. And i don't remember all the details because i was totally crying and sad when he was telling me this, but he said that in policing today, the public expects police to be beat up before they can use force and to 'tangle' with criminals and only use 'appropriate' force, which might be just using pepper spray on some crazy dangerous person. And he said that almost no girl could do this night after night.

So anyway, he was saying that there are so many girl officers because it is PC and there is pressure on sheriffs to hire girls but that really girls are just inviting challenges from the losers on the street :mad: and end up just hurting the entire force and being in more lawsuits and are just more likely to get hurt. And he said this is the reason that most girls do not last in the police because they realize what they are. So i guess lots of people are just too nice or don't want to seem like they are anti-girl so will not tell me these things. But he said if i really care about my community and the other officers, i should think about doing something else.

Well i am still confused and don't know what to think but i think he might be part right and i have to really think about what kind of person i am, because i know i would never want to put anybody in danger and would only do something if i knew i would be helping. Anyway, that is why i've been sad this weekend. :(

KaTooM
08-23-2010, 11:04 PM
"Women officers" I see more and more Woman officers were I live(Sheriffs)

If you really want to get into law enforcement you need to grow some skin(thick) and come to your own conclusions.

I would start by doing alot of ride alongs. The military might also be a good source of reality. Girls need not apply!

masameet
08-23-2010, 11:24 PM
I meant to ask you that question -- would you be wiling get into a fight with a bad guy (BG)?

Some years ago I heard on the local AM radio talk station a retired Berkeley police chief. He said he knew he had a good police candidate who'd last when the candidate said he'd been in some fist fights (and didn't necessarily start them).

A couple of years ago in conversation with one of my town's local LEOs, he mentioned how one of his co-workers was coming off of disability. How did he get hurt? Fighting some drunk in a barroom.

A deputy sheriff told me how he can always tell which BG is going to start a fight with him. He said in one such fight, his shoulder had been seriously injured. I also asked about the deputy who got attacked in the neighboring town. He said she's doing well, assigned to another area, and her assailants, having been charged with CA PC 405a (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/405a.html), were still in the county lockup.

Also I know of one local LEO, a sergeant, who says his best strength is his ability to communicate. He has used his thinking and way of speech to defuse situations.

If you're involved in contact sports, including martial arts, and have not shied away from the pain or physical contact, then take that cop's opinion for what it is: One man's opinion.

Give yourself time to grow up some more and experience failure as well as success. At 19, you still are figuring out who are you and what you stand for. If your goal is to become a deputy sheriff, then prepare yourself mentally and physically in the next few years to be one. If that means doing some martial arts as well as adding more muscle via muscle strengthening exercises (running does not add muscles to the upper body), then do it.

Always remember: Nil desperandum.

And BTW did that LEO mention that any internet identities you establish (and have current) must be disclosed during the application process?

2Cute2Shoot
08-24-2010, 8:54 AM
I meant to ask you that question -- would you be wiling get into a fight with a bad guy (BG)?

Some years ago I heard on the local AM radio talk station a retired Berkeley police chief. He said he knew he had a good police candidate who'd last when the candidate said he'd been in some fist fights (and didn't necessarily start them).

A couple of years ago in conversation with one of my town's local LEOs, he mentioned how one of his co-workers was coming off of disability. How did he get hurt? Fighting some drunk in a barroom.

A deputy sheriff told me how he can always tell which BG is going to start a fight with him. He said in one such fight, his shoulder had been seriously injured. I also asked about the deputy who got attacked in the neighboring town. He said she's doing well, assigned to another area, and her assailants, having been charged with CA PC 405a (http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/405a.html), were still in the county lockup.

Also I know of one local LEO, a sergeant, who says his best strength is his ability to communicate. He has used his thinking and way of speech to defuse situations.

If you're involved in contact sports, including martial arts, and have not shied away from the pain or physical contact, then take that cop's opinion for what it is: One man's opinion.

Give yourself time to grow up some more and experience failure as well as success. At 19, you still are figuring out who are you and what you stand for. If your goal is to become a deputy sheriff, then prepare yourself mentally and physically in the next few years to be one. If that means doing some martial arts as well as adding more muscle via muscle strengthening exercises (running does not add muscles to the upper body), then do it.

Always remember: Nil desperandum.

And BTW did that LEO mention that any internet identities you establish (and have current) must be disclosed during the application process?

well thank you for that advice. I did expect that being a deputy would be physical but i never really thought that i would have to be having fights regularly, :eek: and mainly i didn't think that it was just like ccw where you can only use your weapon if your life or someone's life is threatened and if not and they are just some drunk person, you have to fight with them!!! Anyway, this person i spoke to said that your average girl can NOT handle this! :(

I have been weight training all summer and have done brazilian jiujitsu with my girl cousin. But i do not want to be the one liable to my partner or to some innocent person if girls are just not really strong enough or intimidating enough to do that job right. :( So i have a lot to think about there.

and regarding the internet, i do not have facebook or myspace but do have this and HAD some others on 'girl' type forums. anyway, i have not hidden that from PD and i even told some of the officers about calguns and they are on here too! do you think this could get me into trouble when i actually apply? :confused: i will ask the undersheriff that i know if i should cancel this account. :no: Hopefully he will say no :)

masameet
08-24-2010, 11:00 AM
Are you aiming to be an "average" girl?

Honestly how come you didn't question that cop's assessment? How well does he know you? Is he projecting his fears onto you? Has he watched you react under stress?

For sure, to quell your doubts and concerns, I think you need to talk to LEOs -- both male and female -- who understand the quality of mental toughness. I have my opinion, and I think it's an attitude borne of confidence, courage and being able to focus, all of which can be strengthened through maturity, being objective (i.e., more thought, less emotion), and learning to value one's abilities. Having the ability to know what is right, and then to act and do what is right, are big pluses too.

And you could ask the LEOs here. Still I would guess that most cops don't get into fights on a daily basis. They just have to be ready to engage in one, should the BG decide he doesn't want to go to jail. So that's a mind set. And worrying about your partner means you're not thinking about what you need to do. Plus with LE training, you'll learn things like Officer Presence and how to use a collapsible baton. Obviously on-the-job training goes a long way too. Doesn't mean you can't be fearful. Staying focused and using your training, as well as thinking smart, and being positive -- work on those traits instead.

And as a female you have the ability to relate, empathize and communicate. A lot of times folks, even BGs, just want somebody to talk with them and listen. Letting someone be heard is one fast way to gain a person's trust and respect, if not friendship.

But of course if you'd rather quit ....

Anyway that's my Pep Talk of the Week!

:) Keep your chin up.

Narcdogk9
08-24-2010, 12:00 PM
Well I had a female partner for 5 years and I trusted her to have my back all the time. But then again she had a great attitude. From reading your posts it sounds like you watch to much TV and really just want to point a gun at someone and not really be a cop. They never show you on TV the hours and hours of report writing you have to do. If your not willing to jump into a fight then you should look for another line of work. Maybe a dispatcher.

9mmepiphany
08-24-2010, 12:56 PM
if not and they are just some drunk person, you have to fight with them!!! Anyway, this person i spoke to said that your average girl can NOT handle this!

it is never a good idea to pull your gun on a drunk person for several reasons:
1. you can't shoot them for just being drunk
2. most drunks won't know you've pulled a gun anyway
3. it doesn't take much to put a drunk on the ground and keep them there.

I've worked around female officers without reservations for many years, they might leave for many different reasons, being unable to get into a fight isn't usually one of them. I've also had several female trainees and I would choose them to handle many calls with me over a male officer, because they don't get as emotionally involved when challenged...granted it was something I taught them

The Duke
08-24-2010, 1:17 PM
it is never a good idea to pull your gun on a drunk person for several reasons:
1. you can't shoot them for just being drunk
2. most drunks won't know you've pulled a gun anyway
3. it doesn't take much to put a drunk on the ground and keep them there.

I've worked around female officers without reservations for many years, they might leave for many different reasons, being unable to get into a fight isn't usually one of them. I've also had several female trainees and I would choose them to handle many calls with me over a male officer, because they don't get as emotionally involved when challenged...granted it was something I taught them

9mm, is this your honest assessment of female officers or are you trying to be encouraging and PC? I am not a cop myself but do have several shooting buddies who are and one nephew who is a fireman. They all tell me, without exception that women are very often a liability. The simple reason is that the departments feel forced to take women who are physically unqualified to meet quotas and political pressure. There are female firefighters out there who cannot pull a full sized man out of a burning building. In some counties, they are being promoted to chiefs!!!

There are lots of female officers in service who lack the physical strength to restrain the average belligerent male perp. 2cute2shoot, there are many well qualified female police currently protecting cities and counties across the country, but the good ones are physically strong enough to go toe to toe with the type of scum they encounter on a daily basis. Sorry to say but based on the pictures you yourself have posted here, you are a tiny girl. Anybody here who encourages a thin wristed 110lb girl to get out and patrol the streets isn't doing her or the civilian population any favors.

9mm is correct, you cannot draw your gun on a drunk, or someone resisting arrest. In many circumstances, you must physically overpower them to make the arrest. Hit them unnecessarily with your night stick, mace them too early or point a loaded weapon at them and your department will be facing an excessive force suit. And you know who ends up paying out the big settlements to these losers who should be sitting in a jail cell...you and me, the tax payers.

So I am sorry to say that a strong 6' 200lb cop with some street fighting skills and also some good communication skills will be a much more effective presence on the streets than a cute little girl who happens to know how to shoot. That 6 footer will head off more conflicts than 2cute could even handle getting into.

So I am not saying that any person, male or female who is small and physically weaker than what is truly required, couldn't get themselves into fighting shape for the job. I am just saying it will be very, very tough, and I believe, not advisable. Just because you are "allowed" to do the job by the powers that be, doesn't mean that you are qualified to do it, and you just might end up doing society an injustice.. Just look at our president.

The Duke
08-24-2010, 1:18 PM
Well I had a female partner for 5 years and I trusted her to have my back all the time. But then again she had a great attitude. From reading your posts it sounds like you watch to much TV and really just want to point a gun at someone and not really be a cop. They never show you on TV the hours and hours of report writing you have to do. If your not willing to jump into a fight then you should look for another line of work. Maybe a dispatcher.

This is well spoken. 2cute2shoot, you need to seriously think about this. I am glad I rarely see girls or your build patroling my neighborhood. It would NOT instill confidence in me.

9mmepiphany
08-24-2010, 1:47 PM
9mm, is this your honest assessment of female officers or are you trying to be encouraging and PC? I am not a cop myself but do have several shooting buddies who are and one nephew who is a fireman. They all tell me, without exception that women are very often a liability.

I'm seldom been accused of being PC, certainly my former supervisors would never say that. I would never pass a female office, or any officer for that matter, through my phase of field training if i did not think they could hold up their end in a brawl.

I used to go looking for calls, during their time with me, to see if they would "engage" when the situation called for it. granted, I did explain my expectations of them when we first met, so I really didn't expect less. I've found that trainee's reluctance to engage had more to do with their not understanding when the "line was crossed".

I will add that I have seen officers, both male and female, who seemed to go out of they way to avoid having to "lay hands on" when needed...you just learn not to count on them for cover, or you just send them in first to draw "fire"

Maybe I've just been lucky as to my trainees and beat partners...maybe I just bring out the best in them :p I did note that female trainees are more likely to use their training than just brute force to solve most problems.

female firefighters I've known have always prided themselves on their ability to pull their own weight...and anyone else on their team.

Steyrlp10
08-24-2010, 2:10 PM
I'm seldom been accused of being PC, certainly my former supervisors would never say that.

You didn't have to roll a sofa into IA like the rest of my crew, did you? :D

9mmepiphany
08-24-2010, 2:44 PM
When I first started in LE and worked in Custody, my interaction with IA got to the level that they would call me at home (I worked graves) and we would go over the whole process over the phone so the investigator could clear the case as either unfounded or unsubstantiated without having to set up an appointment.

This was a long time ago and we "took care of business" back then

Steyrlp10
08-24-2010, 2:53 PM
When I first started in LE and worked in Custody, my interaction with IA got to the level that they would call me at home (I worked graves) and we would go over the whole process over the phone so the investigator could clear the case as either unfounded or unsubstantiated without having to set up an appointment.

This was a long time ago and we "took care of business" back then

Sounds a lot like my friend who I fish tournaments with. He was with IA for some time, but he was fair and always gave the officers the benefit of the doubt. It's staggering when you imagine the paperwork involved in the "Big Machine."

As for phone calls at home from the Brass, I denied the existence of everyone - lol

These days, it's more fun to talk about hot chases over coffee :)

Rivers
08-26-2010, 10:46 PM
A few years ago, I had to arrange a presentation on computer security / cyber crime / identity theft. I called the FBI office in SD and made a great connection. The guy I was put in touch with joined right after 9/11, leaving a hi-tech job that paid a heck of a lot more to work for the FBI. And he was friends with members of my group who still worked at his previous employer, so a bit of a homecoming for him. Anyway, the point is that after hearing his presentation, I had one thought about him, that I had just met the man with the most secure job in the world.

On a side note, he also got to go home regularly to his wife and kids, was paid to travel the world giving lectures, and interfaced with LE, including Interpol and many unnamed agencies. Basically, he makes a huge contribution to LE by using his brains and computer skills.

With identity theft, chiid porn and fraud scams growing as rapidly as they are, going to college with a major in computer science and a minor in criminal justice would position anyone, male or female, as a highly desired LE candidate. And after a few decades in LE, you retire and go to work in the private sector where you can make really big money and still sleep in your own bed each night.

LadyCop
09-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Hi ladies,

I finally found the perfect place to introduce myself. I've been in law enforcement for nearly seven years, started as an explorer and then became a CSO before going to the academy. I listened to a lot of people and the most important thing I learned before applying for a sworn position was to study and get in shape. My biggest problem was upper body strength, so I worked out until I could get over the six foot wall with no problem. Anyway, I love my job, it's a great career and I have a great family that gives me all of the support I need. I would encourage anyone that has the desire, to apply.

The Duke
09-16-2010, 3:00 PM
Hi ladies,

I finally found the perfect place to introduce myself. I've been in law enforcement for nearly seven years, started as an explorer and then became a CSO before going to the academy. I listened to a lot of people and the most important thing I learned before applying for a sworn position was to study and get in shape. My biggest problem was upper body strength, so I worked out until I could get over the six foot wall with no problem. Anyway, I love my job, it's a great career and I have a great family that gives me all of the support I need. I would encourage anyone that has the desire, to apply.

That's a great perspective to add for 2cute. But I'd be interested to hear your commentary in general on women LEOs. I personally think there is to much PC crap going on in life safety, with minorities being put into positions they are unqualified for, and thus are doing a disservice to the general public.

Do you see women getting into law enforcement that really have no business being there? I have a feeling this is one of the big reasons so many women seem to burn out early as police.

LadyCop
09-24-2010, 8:00 PM
That's a great perspective to add for 2cute. But I'd be interested to hear your commentary in general on women LEOs. I personally think there is to much PC crap going on in life safety, with minorities being put into positions they are unqualified for, and thus are doing a disservice to the general public.

Do you see women getting into law enforcement that really have no business being there? I have a feeling this is one of the big reasons so many women seem to burn out early as police.

Hi Duke. Sorry it took so long for me to answer. To answer your question, I don't think that it's a matter of male or female. I think it's all about personality types. I think agencies do a good job weeding people out who probably shouldn't be in law enforcement. There are so many obstacles that police officer candidates go through before they are actually hired. To give you my personal experience, I had to take a written exam, a physical agility test, go through a background check, that included checking to see if I had a criminal history, and a credit check to see if I was financially responsible. I also had to go through a psychological exam, a polygraph exam, and a physical which also included a stress test. After I was accepted for a sworn position, I attended the academy where I was required to maintain a "B" average for my grades. The subjects included a class in criminal law, the vehicle code, patrol procedures, physical training, firearms training, evidence gathering, crime scene investigation, and traffic accident investigation. For practical exercises, I had to pass exams that tested my skills during a felony car stop, building searches, dealing with 5150s, and other skills necessary to officer survival. If I failed any of the tests in these different subjects, they would have given me a second chance to pass. If I would have failed the second exam, I would have been removed from my class and sent back to my department. I just want to add that the subjects I mentioned were not all of the subjects in the academy. I would give you all of the subjects but my academy notebook is buried in a box somewhere and I don't know where it is. Fortunately, I never faced that problem and finished with no problem at all. But Duke, that's not the last hurdle, I still had to get through my one year probation period with my FTO. If at anytime he would have thought that I was not cut out to be a law enforcement officer, I would have been given to another FTO for reevaluation and if I was still not up to department standards, I would have been removed from the FTO program and put back in my CSO slot. So to answer your question, I have seen both men and women wash out.

You asked about burnout. My department has an awesome program that deals with burnout. According to my Chief, he feels that he spent too much money on each of us to have us leave the department because of burnout. So he has a program that deals with that, and the clinical psychologist that he contracts with is available if we go through a traumatic incident or an officer shows signs of burnout. So far I haven't seen any male or female officers leave the department due to burnout. I hope that answers your question.

masameet
09-25-2010, 11:43 AM
I'm really glad you're here on Calguns, LadyCop. Your posts are always informative and seldom show ego. I think you'd be a great online mentor to 2C2S.

LadyCop
09-26-2010, 5:54 PM
I'm really glad you're here on Calguns, LadyCop. Your posts are always informative and seldom show ego. I think you'd be a great online mentor to 2C2S.

You're so nice, thank you for that. I can be sassy sometimes if I don't catch myself. But I'm getting better. I'm not the best person to ask questions, but I'll do my best to answer anybody's questions. One thing I would suggest for anyone to do that is interested in a law enforcement career, do your homework. Ask police officers and deputies with more experience than I have about law enforcement. They have done a lot of things and seen a lot of things that I haven't seen or done.

Big D
10-04-2010, 3:11 PM
Hi,

I am writing this from my husband's account.

I am a female police officer in San Diego. Here is my opinion. Whether you think you can or cannot, your right. If you want to talk further or set up a phone call I would be more than willing to speak with you. My email address is n4cr21@hotmail.com. After you send your first email to me, we can exchange phone numbers and talk.

Some people here have some good ideas and make very good points. Size does and it does not matter in this profession. Good "command presence" can avoid a lot of fights, but sometimes you have to fight. Also no matter how big or small, strong or weak you are, there is always someone bigger or smaller and stronger and weaker than you.

It is a man's world because mostly only men want to do this kind of job. You need to show confidence within yourself within out being overbearing to do this job. As a female officer I don't think some of the women who work in law enforcement should be there. Let me also say there are men who shouldn't be there either. I think most officer's (male and female) would agree with this statement. However, of the women in law enforcement there are some who are very good at their job and are highly respected by their male counterparts. But if your #1 concern about going law enforcement is the "its a man's world" maybe you should consider other avenues. You cannot have that kind of attitude because you will always think that you are not good enough or not as qualified, when you may be more qualified then everyone.

I do tend to be pretty harsh on my own gender but I think Law Enforcement is one of those jobs where it takes a particular kind of person. Thats not saying you naturally have to be that kind of person; you can be taught.

Again I would love to speak with you more about this topic. I like it when women want to be in law enforcement and who start early so as to make a career of it. It really does show a determination and a different kind of mind set then someone who wakes up one day and says to them self, "Oh, I think I will become a police officer today" without knowing anything about the job and what it entails; other than what they have seen in movies and on TV.

Personally for me, I have wanted this career since I was 3 or 4 years old. I love my job! I will retire in law enforcement! Email me, n4cr21@hotmail.com

Big D
10-04-2010, 3:21 PM
You're so nice, thank you for that. I can be sassy sometimes if I don't catch myself. But I'm getting better. I'm not the best person to ask questions, but I'll do my best to answer anybody's questions. One thing I would suggest for anyone to do that is interested in a law enforcement career, do your homework. Ask police officers and deputies with more experience than I have about law enforcement. They have done a lot of things and seen a lot of things that I haven't seen or done.

I am writing this from my husbands account (I guess I should just open my own.)

I think I can tell just by your post what department you work for. What division are you at? Or to make it more fun....what is your ID # and I will send you an email from work. Maybe we know each other and if we don't maybe we can get to know each other. I am always looking for female friends since we both work with mostly men. Let me know.