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IrishPirate
03-19-2010, 7:51 PM
I'm sure everyone's seen the pics but I'm wondering if this is a CA legal rifle because the lower has a position for full auto (or multi burst). I want it for what should be obvious reasons:
http://ee.ar15.com/uploadImages/20090607/98408/Uploaded_633799692596065000_File.jpg

so does having the "plunder" selector make it a no no, or is that completely ok in PRK? Am i right in assuming that the LPK would either have or not have the capability of making it full auto, and not the lower? Just want to make sure it's G2G before i buy. thanks

Fot
03-19-2010, 8:03 PM
It's totally illegal and you should tell me who is selling it so I can buy err talk to them.. Seriously though I'm pretty sure it's legal.. and assume someone with more knowledge then me will confirm that.

CHS
03-19-2010, 8:11 PM
No hole for an auto sear.

It's legal.

Noobert
03-19-2010, 8:13 PM
the color doesn't match very well

whisk.e.rebellion
03-19-2010, 8:30 PM
No hole for an auto sear.

It's legal.

I'm not doubting the legality of the receiver, but -- AFAIK -- all Spike's lower receivers will accept a RDIAS (registered drop in auto sear). They even advertise the feature on their website.

CHS
03-19-2010, 8:32 PM
I'm not doubting the legality of the receiver, but -- AFAIK -- all Spike's lower receivers will accept a RDIAS (registered drop in auto sear). They even advertise the feature on their website.

That means absolutely nothing whatsoever from a legal standpoint in CA or any other state.

calnurse
03-19-2010, 8:33 PM
ask the morons oops... sorry the experts at the DOJ :online2long:

CHS
03-19-2010, 8:34 PM
ask the morons oops... sorry the experts at the DOJ :online2long:

It's an off-list lower.

It's legal.

There is no question at all about that.

hawk81
03-19-2010, 10:54 PM
Legal, but you could get hasseled.

oaklander
03-19-2010, 11:04 PM
This falls into the same category as fake silencers. Perfectly legal, but more exposure than some people (like me) want to take.

CHS
03-19-2010, 11:25 PM
I want one marked: "None", "One", and "Fun".

aplinker
03-19-2010, 11:51 PM
Old pic. Don't think they've made those in years.

Totally legal.

bigcalidave
03-20-2010, 12:00 AM
I think all the spikes lowers I've seen have some sort of auto marking... Doesn't matter if your selector isn't going there :)

whisk.e.rebellion
03-20-2010, 12:46 AM
That means absolutely nothing whatsoever from a legal standpoint in CA or any other state.

So, like I said, the receiver is CA legal, but it can accept an auto sear (which doesn't make it illegal).

Forgive me for debunking the other poster's rationale for this receiver being legal.

CHS
03-20-2010, 1:06 AM
So, like I said, the receiver is CA legal, but it can accept an auto sear (which doesn't make it illegal).


What on earth are you talking about?

No it can't.

It can accept an RDIAS or RLL. Those are totally different than a true auto-sear.

90% of lowers out there can accept an RDIAS or RLL. Doesn't make them illegal in any way.

edwardm
03-20-2010, 6:01 AM
This falls into the same category as fake silencers. Perfectly legal, but more exposure than some people (like me) want to take.

I'll second this sentiment, but for that lower, I'd make the exception. Being a pirate at heart and in a past life and all. ;)

mhho
03-20-2010, 7:03 AM
It's totally illegal and you should tell me who is selling it so I can buy err talk to them..

Buy... I mean... Chat away my friend:

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=104_65&products_id=200

bwiese
03-20-2010, 10:13 AM
This is one of those stupid things that can cause people issues in a traffic stop or out in the woods....

Yeah, it's legal.
No, it's not full auto.
But a cop might well think it is.

You already have a bit of an elevated burden explaining legality of your OLL rifle. Now there's one extra thing to explain in a stressful situation. I put this crap in the same category as "fake cans" - cosmetics that do no good/serve no real use, and only increase potential drama during LE contact.

The DOJ (Iggy Chinn) took 10? 20? Superior Arms lowers from 10% Firearms early on in 2006 becuse they had the 3-bullet marking/3rd selector position marked [and even though they knew it wasn't FA]

So why go buy trouble?

vintagearms
03-20-2010, 10:57 AM
Those are too cool. I want one. Too bad they are soo $$$.



Buy... I mean... Chat away my friend:

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=104_65&products_id=200

Maestro Pistolero
03-20-2010, 11:05 AM
No pic?

loather
03-20-2010, 11:18 AM
this thing is awesome. Need I say,

WANT!

Just for comic relief! I'd do a fully themed rifle with a Jolly Roger on the stock and a couple other funny gizmos, gadgets, and paintings along the rest of it.

That being said, as others have pointed out, it's legal. For added CYA though, I'd make sure that when you build it out, to ensure that no amount of manipulating can make your selector switch go into the full auto (Plunder! LOL) position. One of my lowers will go into that position with a little extra force. I need to replace that detent so it can no longer do that, but the lower isn't marked for auto anyways.

ojisan
03-20-2010, 12:25 PM
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn249/ojisan420/P2190149.jpg

IrishPirate
03-20-2010, 10:47 PM
^nice^

The illinformed LEO issue didn't escape me....that's why i wanted to make sure that there wasn't any laws that might get me in trouble. I don't want to be going through a loop hole, i want to be straight up legal. Thanks :thumbsup:

JDay
03-20-2010, 10:59 PM
I don't want to be going through a loop hole, i want to be straight up legal. Thanks :thumbsup:

There's no such thing as a "loop hole" when it comes to the law. Things are either legal or they're not. The term "loop hole in the law" is a term the anti's use when they want to ban something.

Seesm
03-20-2010, 11:15 PM
Its ok just its jussst for FUUUUNN!

cltitus
03-21-2010, 5:33 PM
Simple Not on Ban List = Legal
Get Before it gets on Ban List = Grandfather
Grandfather = Remains Legal