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LaDoraSurf
03-19-2010, 4:56 PM
Just thought I let everyone know...seems like a short time, maybe I got lucky.

littlejake
03-19-2010, 5:20 PM
Just thought I let everyone know...seems like a short time, maybe I got lucky.

It varies... 6 weeks is good. They have been able to do it in 4 weeks.

E-120
03-19-2010, 6:43 PM
Congrats. Now you can start buying like its 1999.

bigwhitetruck
03-19-2010, 10:30 PM
If you haven't done it already, I would suggest that you also get a COE in order to take full advantage of the C&R.

LaDoraSurf
03-20-2010, 1:50 PM
Sorry for being ingnorant; however, what would a COE do for me? It thought it only allows me to skip the 10 day waiting period on all gun purchases and to buy more than one pistol per month...am I missing something?

Also, quick question, someone from out-of-state shipping to me doesn't need to have a C&R or FFL, correct? I am buying some rifles from a guy in IL, he says all he needs is his divers liscense to ship to a C&R.

Lagduf
03-20-2010, 5:14 PM
I've been waiting about 5 weeks, good to know you got yours in 6!

SixPointEight
03-20-2010, 5:15 PM
I've been waiting about 5 weeks, good to know you got yours in 6!

I'm coming up on 4 weeks. Sad to know I've got about 2 more lol

daveinwoodland
03-20-2010, 5:16 PM
I'm at 6 weeks and still not here. My wife is getting excited too now so she'll call me at work at say "nope nothing again today"

daveinwoodland
03-20-2010, 5:23 PM
If I'm not mistaken the COE allows you to walk into a local dealer and purchase w/o a 10 day waiting period. If that's incorrect I'm sure someone will pipe in.

Personally the prices I've found on line are always better then from Big 5 etc., but with the disadvantage of not being able to physically see before you buy.

Experimentalist
03-20-2010, 5:52 PM
Here's a very useful link for those with an 03 FFL and COE: http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/topic-summaries/506-a-brief-explanation-of-antique-curio-and-relic-firearms.html

From this web site:

VII. EXEMPTION TO WAITING PERIOD FOR 03 / COLLECTOR FFLs WITH A COE

Penal Code sections 12071, 12072 and 12084 apply waiting periods to certain firearm transactions.

California Penal Code section 12078 (t) (1), however, expressly exempts the waiting period for transfers of "curios or relics" to "licensed collectors" with COEs. Specifically:

The waiting period described in Sections 12071, 12072, and 12084 shall not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, by a dealer or through a law enforcement agency to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.

Thus, if you have both a "collectors license" and a Certificate of Eligibility, the waiting period does not apply so long as the firearm is a "curio or relic." If the firearm is not a "curio or relic" then the Penal Code section 12078(t)(1) exemption does not apply, and the firearm is subject to the ten day waiting period stated in Penal Code sections 12071, 12072 and 12084.4



Penal Code section 12072(t)(1) does apply, exempting the waiting period for "licensed collectors" with COEs, but also requires that:

On the date that the delivery, sale, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm or the law enforcement agency processing the transaction pursuant to Section 12084, shall forward by prepaid mail to the Department of Justice a report of the transaction pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 12077 or Section 12084. If the electronic or telephonic transfer of applicant information is used, on the date that the application to purchase is completed, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 12077.

"Licensed collectors" not in the business of selling firearms are not required to become a "California dealer" since they are not selling, leasing or transferring firearms as is prohibited without a "California dealers" license by Penal Code section 12070(a). Instead, such collectors are acquiring curio or relic firearms for their collection. Thus, a "licensed collector" that is not selling, transferring, or leasing "curios or relics" may receive "curios or relics" from other FFLs if such transfers are exempt from Penal Code section 12072(d).

Thus, a rifle or shotgun (i.e. firearm that is not a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed) that is a "curio or relic" at least 50 years old may, on an infrequent basis, be transferred from a federally licensed dealer to a "licensed collector," and between private parties without going through a "California dealer."

VIII. EXEMPTION TO ONE-HANDGUN-A-MONTH FOR 03 / COLLECTOR FFLs WITH A COE

Penal Code section 12072(a)(9)(A) provides that "[n]o person shall make an application to purchase more than one pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within any 30-day period." Penal Code section 12072(a)(9)(B)(x), however, provides a limited exemption to licensed collectors with COEs:

Subparagraph (A) shall not apply to ... [a]ny person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12071.

Thus, the 30 day waiting period does not apply to the transfer of "curios or relics" to"licensed collectors" with a COE.

Briefly: If the firearm is a C&R, and you possess a valid 03 FFL and a COE, then you do not have a waiting period. Practically speaking this only matters with guns that can be concealed on the person (handguns), as their transfer must always go through a licensed dealer (unless made before the year 18XX... I forget the exact year, sorry). C&R long guns are not subject to a waiting period, nor must they go through a licensed dealer.

SixPointEight
03-26-2010, 9:32 PM
Got my C&R FFL today! Today is 4weeks and 4 days after I mailed my forms.

Quick question, I know a bunch of websites offer C&R discounts, but does anyone that sells weapons offer a C&R discount? By that I mean modern weapons, like if I wanted to purchase a new Sig, XD etc.

Josh3239
03-26-2010, 10:07 PM
Mine took 2 weeks.

If I'm not mistaken the COE allows you to walk into a local dealer and purchase w/o a 10 day waiting period. If that's incorrect I'm sure someone will pipe in.

Personally the prices I've found on line are always better then from Big 5 etc., but with the disadvantage of not being able to physically see before you buy.

No, COE + C&R in CA gives you:
1) No more 1 handgun per 30 days on all handguns.
2) No more 10 day wait period on C&R handguns only. DROS must still be done.

wellerjohn
03-27-2010, 11:46 PM
Dang, I'm still waiting they cashed my check January 13th. Wonder if I should call them or just be patient?:confused:

cruddymutt
03-28-2010, 12:10 AM
I got mine 21 days after I mailed it. This was in October.

jwarren116
03-29-2010, 10:56 AM
Mailed my form on Feb 28th, charged me March 3, got my 03 on Mar 26th! Already have it faxed everywhere. Now I just need to order some junk....

Deadbolt
03-29-2010, 12:51 PM
its been brutal for me - almost 7weeks

7.62x54R
03-29-2010, 2:09 PM
mine took 28 days

OneApart
03-29-2010, 2:17 PM
I guess I am the lucky one... I received my 03 in 4 weeks right on the money.

They even sent me an email letting me know that it is on it's way.

Lagduf
03-29-2010, 5:15 PM
I've been waiting about 5 weeks, good to know you got yours in 6!

Just got my C&R!

KING_PALM
03-29-2010, 5:28 PM
what is the cost of getting youe C&R and COE?

LaDoraSurf
03-29-2010, 8:27 PM
$30 for the C&R

Cokebottle
03-29-2010, 8:31 PM
C&R is $30 every 3 years.

COE is $22 every year, plus the initial costs:
$32 DOJ processing
$19 FBI processing
$?? whatever your Livescan operator charges.

P1X4R
04-19-2010, 9:56 PM
02/27/10 online request
03/26/10 received form
04/16/10 mailed to ATF
04/19/10 credit card preauth

looking good so far!

Eddie1965
04-19-2010, 10:49 PM
They took my money on 3/11/10, received it today.

tdaughg
04-19-2010, 11:50 PM
got home from the range today my 03 was there waiting for me! quite a nice way to end my day. took about 5 weeks from the time they charged my card. coe will be the next item to get.