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rjf
03-19-2010, 11:28 AM
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1NA1903A4&groupid=12

Since the receiver is the firearm, and is in military configuration, why would these not be C&R? The WW2 receiver meets the criteria for C&R. So what if it's rebuilt. It also meets the collectability criteria.

I know AIM can sell to whomever they want.

EBR Works
03-19-2010, 11:36 AM
Could it be that it's not in the original stock/military configuration, hence no longer C&R?

rjf
03-19-2010, 11:37 AM
How about the CMP Special Garands?

EBR Works
03-19-2010, 11:37 AM
How about the CMP Special Garands?

They are C&R and CMP will ship directly to you.

rjf
03-19-2010, 12:37 PM
So both rifles are 50+ year old receivers with new barrels and wood, configured to military as issue and one is C&R and the other is not?

I'm sure no one would question C&R status on a second sale of this rifle.

I think AIM is over cautious on the C&R rules.

thefifthspeed
03-19-2010, 12:46 PM
Aren't those 1903A4s built from reweld or drill/parade rifles? I don't remember the exact circumstances but some company out there (Gibbs?) was/is making replica 1903A4s and there was word that they were re-welded receivers. Maybe someone knows what I'm talking about and that process may have knocked them out of C&R status.

Bhobbs
03-19-2010, 12:47 PM
Aren't those 1903A4s built from reweld or drill/parade rifles? I don't remember the exact circumstances but some company out there (Gibbs?) was/is making replica 1903A4s and there was word that they were re-welded receivers. Maybe someone knows what I'm talking about and that process may have knocked them out of C&R status.

Yeah I heard they were reclaimed drill rifles. Interesting to see how that would effect the strength and accuracy of the rifle.

a1c
03-19-2010, 12:54 PM
That stock looks like it might be brand new.

kf6tac
03-19-2010, 2:04 PM
So both rifles are 50+ year old receivers with new barrels and wood, configured to military as issue and one is C&R and the other is not?

I'm sure no one would question C&R status on a second sale of this rifle.

I think AIM is over cautious on the C&R rules.

It's not clear to me from the AIM listing that the receiver is actually an original.

Bhobbs
03-19-2010, 2:41 PM
I think it has to do with these being originally 03a3s not 03a4s so they are not in their original condition.

CSACANNONEER
03-19-2010, 2:48 PM
Could it be that it's not in the original stock/military configuration, hence no longer C&R?

This always confuses me. I can understand a <50 year old gun being bubba'd and lossing C&R statues. But, if the gun is 50 years old or older, how can changing the stock, barrel, sights, TP holder or whatever take it out of C&R statues? It would still qualify as a 50 + year old C&R, wouldn't it? I realize that using the action as a host to manufacture a new style of firearm would be an issue (making a new SBR, SBS or AOW from a 50+ year old action) but, how can changing accessories while keeping it in the same classification of firearms end up affecting it's C&R statues?

jamesob
03-19-2010, 5:04 PM
correct me if i'm wrong, but if another mfg. purchased a bunch of actions and put new a barrel, stock mounts and scope to make a 03a4 clone wouldn't that mfg. have to put his info on the rifle then making it a new manufactured rifle?

AJAX22
03-19-2010, 5:49 PM
It can be C&R by virtue of age OR by virtue of its collectability


If it is C&R by virtue of its collectability and NOT its age, then altering it from the original configuration changes things...

If its over 50 years old... then it is C&R... period.

E-120
03-19-2010, 6:44 PM
Gibbs labels their rifles.

CSACANNONEER
03-19-2010, 6:45 PM
Thanks AJAX22. That's what I've thought and it makes perfect sense.