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wildhawker
03-18-2010, 3:14 PM
Here's the deal:

We're looking for some fresh, modern and visually appealing banners for our on-the-ground outreach campaigns and booths. These need to be something that draws folks "into the tent", so to speak.

EPS files of the logos are available, email me at wildhawker@gmail.com and I'll get them to you.

We've found that "Free" seems to be a big 'selling point' with folks who've not heard of Calguns before, so we want to make sure that this aspect is prominently included. The Calguns banner should include some interesting aspects of the community, both online and off. We also need to update the design with the new logo, below.

Old Calguns Banner
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/wildhawker/CGNBanner.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/wildhawker/CGNLogo.jpg

The Calguns Foundation banner should represent the strength of the organization and our commitment to advancing gun rights in California, possibly incorporating the phrase "Gun Rights. Civil Rights. Your Rights.".

Old CGF#1
http://i45.tinypic.com/10iasf7.jpg

Old CGF#2
http://i47.tinypic.com/2edmqus.jpg

Here's the rules.

I'm looking for at least 1 design each for CGN and CGF to be printed on white vinyl materials, size is 8ft x 30" (with ~1/2" around for bleed). The designs will be scrutinized by CGF Board Members (and in the case of CGN, me, Kestryll and his staff) and selected by majority vote. I'll need all submissions in on or before 3/31/10.

The selected designs - there may be more than one each - will win a grab bag of Calguns goodies including (2) tee shirts, (2) hats, (10) stickers and a mug such as those found at gunsr4.us.

So all you creative Calgunners, what banner designs will help us advance our rights in California?

Paul E
03-18-2010, 11:43 PM
Emailed ya

oaklander
03-19-2010, 12:24 AM
My lame attempt:

http://i44.tinypic.com/160rckh.jpg

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 12:27 AM
Let me work something together in photoshop! I will post by the AM.

oaklander
03-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Here is a second version. FREE is good, I've also found that YOU is good:

http://i39.tinypic.com/vq2wbn.jpg

oaklander
03-19-2010, 12:29 AM
Rockin'

:D

Let me work something together in photoshop! I will post by the AM.

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 12:32 AM
Let me work something together in photoshop! I will post by the AM.

Thank you, and by the way, thanks also for your sig!

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 12:43 AM
Rockin'

:D

;)

Thank you, and by the way, thanks also for your sig!

No prob, in all honesty Brandon, I feel that is the very least I can do in our fight. It really blows me away, that more of us can't at least put something in the sig line.

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 12:58 AM
Channel it into productive efforts... focused anger is a powerful tool.

We'll get there, man. It's just going to take some time and willingness to stick with it.

No prob, in all honesty Brandon, I feel that is the very least I can do in our fight. It really blows me away, that more of us can't at least put something in the sig line.

Chuck0matic
03-19-2010, 1:30 AM
Brandon, Andrew Mendez sent you an email requesting the logo's. Thanks.

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 2:41 AM
Let the scrutinizing begin:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/themovementofahand/calguns.jpg


Let me explain my thought process a little bit. First off, its 240 in the am, and I have been awake waaaaay to long to remember how to use photoshop! Next, I wanted to incorporate something California, and had the following choices: The California Flag (which is currently being used by CGN), The California Seal (which I have used), The California Flower (which I don't think we want to use) and In N Out Burger! So I went ahead and tweaked the California Seal, and used the "red filter adjustment" on PS to give it the black and white look, that would still looks crisp and clean. Then lastly, I wanted to use a quote that would give people the impression that we are indeed fighting to protect what is rightfully ours in this state. I wanted the black and white look to match the new Calguns layout, which I don't think everyone is using yet.
So what do you guys think? Be Honest please!

I will be working on something after the shoot N Que on Saturday!

Jeffu
03-19-2010, 2:54 AM
please let me know if you guys need any photoshop/photography help.

p.s. Andrew, good idea on the $10/month subscription thing. How can we go about getting something like this setup?

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 3:05 AM
please let me know if you guys need any photoshop/photography help.

p.s. Andrew, good idea on the $10/month subscription thing. How can we go about getting something like this setup?

I have no idea, I am doing mine on the first of the month from my ATM card, I know you can set it up with a subscription type of thing, but I am not sure how.
I have not used PS in a long while, I am using it at my buddies house right now, and I am exhausted beyond belief, and can't focus at all! Your more then welcome to make mine prettier!

RideIcon
03-19-2010, 4:10 AM
Its 4 in the morning and I can't sleep so don't poke fun...
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4938/calguns.jpg

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 4:26 AM
Poke Poke! Ride, how did you make that? I like my Seal better, but thats cause I had to figure it out! I like!

RideIcon
03-19-2010, 6:06 AM
Poke Poke! Ride, how did you make that? I like my Seal better, but thats cause I had to figure it out! I like!

Iono... photoshop and some clip arts I found online... there's no spell check in photoshop so make sure my words are spelled right, lol

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 9:45 AM
Quick bit of feedback before I have to run this morning - the logos should be the prominent graphic in the banners. We really want to make sure that the branding is "right there" for folks to see and begin associating with the organizations immediately. Thanks for the ideas, keep 'em coming!

pacrimguru
03-19-2010, 10:46 AM
e-mail sent for .eps logos

Theseus
03-19-2010, 10:56 AM
Iono... photoshop and some clip arts I found online... there's no spell check in photoshop so make sure my words are spelled right, lol

Actually there is a spell checker in photoshop, it just isn't very powerful.

Under "Edit" option there is a "Check Spelling" option. :)

Get to it! I have found there is nothing more horrifying in graphic design than spelling something wrong and having 120,000 people seeing it.

I did that once in a magazine ad I designed. It was pretty embarrassing.

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 11:03 AM
e-mail sent for .eps logos

I am pretty sure I emailed them to you last night. Let me know if you didn't receive.

PolishMike
03-19-2010, 11:04 AM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/PolishMikeCG/cg.jpg

obeygiant
03-19-2010, 12:06 PM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh90/PolishMikeCG/cg.jpg

PolishMike and MsPaint FTW!

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 12:13 PM
Brandon, should we use the existing logo then, and incorporate that into the design?

ponderosa
03-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Emailed for logos, cool. :)

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Brandon, should we use the existing logo then, and incorporate that into the design?

No, we should use the most recent logos as emailed.

The Director
03-19-2010, 12:23 PM
My limited experience in advertising tells me all these attempts so far are too wordy. The most successful ad campaigns in history have been one liners....fewer the words, the better.

It's show, not tell.

wildhawker
03-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Here's some photos of the banners at work:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/wildhawker/downsized950209001014.jpg
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40300
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/wildhawker/IMG00114-20100211-1005.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/wildhawker/IMG00115-20100211-1020.jpg

The Director
03-19-2010, 1:22 PM
I think this would bring people by the booth, at least to ask. Yes, it needs some tweaking, but I did it in 20 minutes.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=49641&stc=1&d=1269030120

Redlinegts
03-19-2010, 1:43 PM
Email sent :)

While I was waiting, just copied some logos off the first post and made this up real quick-like
http://i41.tinypic.com/voa93a.jpg

EDIT: Here's two more
http://i39.tinypic.com/2hdpamu.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uiiuio.jpg

I can switch up using a lot of things if anyone else has some ideas if they want to throw out. I made those fairly quick and could polish them up if you guys like them.

EDIT2: Here is one for CGF, maybe a stretch, but i'm cranking some random ideas out right now
http://i43.tinypic.com/2wewex1.jpg

EDIT3:Here is another CGF one
http://i44.tinypic.com/125tgtz.jpg

I'm taking a break now, I should start doing my homework...

oaklander
03-19-2010, 3:15 PM
Awesome ideas everyone! Keep 'em coming!

AndrewMendez
03-19-2010, 3:39 PM
Red, that looks awesome!

madmike
03-19-2010, 3:57 PM
FREE GUN
Information & advise
at
calguns.net



My feeble attempt...:o

-madmike.

Davidoff
03-19-2010, 4:10 PM
I really like this one:


http://i39.tinypic.com/2uiiuio.jpg

Redlinegts
03-19-2010, 4:17 PM
Thanks for the comments guys :)

pacrimguru
03-19-2010, 4:27 PM
My limited experience in advertising tells me all these attempts so far are too wordy. The most successful ad campaigns in history have been one liners....fewer the words, the better.

It's show, not tell.

+100 on this.

AndrewMendez
03-20-2010, 1:35 AM
No, we should use the most recent logos as emailed.

Thats what I meant, Thanks!

oaklander
03-20-2010, 7:12 AM
This depends on whether you want to do "Branding" or "Direct Response."

This is a combination branding and direct response ad.

The branding is accomplished by the new logo/tagline. The direct response is accomplished through the "call to action" and supporting text.

Usually, a direct response ad will (roughly) look like this:

1) presentation of problem

2) connect "problem" with features and benefits of product and how it helps viewer

3) call to action

NOTE: that there are actually six parts, but they boil down into the three listed above.

Part #2 above is where you make the ad about the viewers' problems, and then present a solution.

ETA: branding ads themselves are hard to measure - you usually have to conduct a survey of the market area where the campaign was run. Direct response ads on the other hand are quite easy to measure. Here, all we would have to do is to include a unique "referral" code at each different location (gun shows, etc) where the ad (banner) was run. By comparing referral codes submitted with new memberships vs. attendance numbers at these events, we could determine response rate. This would help us fine-tune our presentation.

Even more interesting would be to "sample" various banners (again using referral codes), we could actually track which banners work better. This would assume that the rest of the "campaign" (booth and people in booth) remained fairly constant. You would also have to account for differing attendance at the shows.

My limited experience in advertising tells me all these attempts so far are too wordy. The most successful ad campaigns in history have been one liners....fewer the words, the better.

It's show, not tell.

Redlinegts
03-20-2010, 9:21 PM
Still waiting for the logos to be emailed to me so I can make cleaner banners...

AndrewMendez
03-21-2010, 12:47 AM
I am waaay to sleepy to work on this tonight, I will work on something tomorrow.

wildhawker
03-22-2010, 12:52 PM
Some really awesome ideas so far folks, keep 'em coming!

If you emailed me requesting art and have not heard back, try emailing me at combspm at gmail . com.

ponderosa
03-22-2010, 3:11 PM
I hope to have a few different designs to come;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4454864837_dde417219d_o.gif

blackberg
03-22-2010, 4:09 PM
I hope to have a few different designs to come;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4454864837_dde417219d_o.gif

I like that, good use of color, although I think the 100% is to bright. good starting point I think.

on Oaklander's idea of tracking banner usage and referral codes, maybe a banner can use a referral code to entice new signups and entering into a drawing of some sort (hat, sticker, etc), gives them an incentive to actually type in the referral code.

-bb

Redlinegts
03-22-2010, 7:13 PM
I hope to have a few different designs to come;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2680/4454864837_dde417219d_o.gif

I like the American flag background ;) *copycat*

It's nice though. What font are you using? I can't really find one that matches the Calguns logo.

EDIT: forgot to drop shadow my logo, will keep that in mind

putput
03-22-2010, 9:37 PM
Yah, yah, copycat...

ponderosa
03-23-2010, 12:33 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4456844630_4d73ddccde_o.gif

ponderosa
03-23-2010, 12:34 AM
Other tagline thoughts;

Targeting To Preserve Our Freedoms

Sighting In To Preserve Our Freedoms

?

The "FREE" in the above graphic could be looked at in two ways, the site and all of its benefits are FREE but so shall we all be "FREE" of unconstitutional laws thanks to Calguns.

ponderosa
03-23-2010, 12:47 AM
Slight revision to post #41

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4456864482_a29e1c16a7_o.gif

ponderosa
03-23-2010, 12:53 AM
What font are you using? I can't really find one that matches the Calguns logo.

for the graphic in post #41 I'm using the following fonts;

Futura Bold
Arial Bold Italic
Arial Regular
Brush Script Std

I don't know the font used in the logo, the vector logos have outlined fonts, but if I had to take a guess I'd say it is Rhode Medium Condensed.

99
03-23-2010, 2:10 AM
Heres what I thought about so far, im very tired, so good night. Dont copy me, I copyrighted my work... lol j/k

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/1734/calgunsbannercopy.th.gif (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/calgunsbannercopy.gif/)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7589/calgunsfoundationcopy.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/calgunsfoundationcopy.jpg/)

AndrewMendez
03-23-2010, 2:18 AM
I didn't forget about my project, I will work on it again tonight.

N6ATF
03-23-2010, 10:03 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4456844630_4d73ddccde_o.gif

Haha, CA in the crosshairs.

Ladyliss
03-23-2010, 10:13 AM
Let the scrutinizing begin:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/themovementofahand/calguns.jpg



I really like this one. Bold and to the point. All its missing is the Calguns blue.

Demonfart
03-23-2010, 2:54 PM
Only problem with stuff like this is that you can't really 'borrow' artwork from the internet and then print it. It's a technical thing, you need to work at 300 dpi with printed materials (you can get away with less but that's generally the industry standard...and with large format printing like this you generally work at scale, so there's a lot of fancy interpolation on the printer's end). Display graphics, such as the stuff you can grab from websites, are 72 dpi, which is quite a big difference.

If this were printed the type that he/she set will print very crisp and nice but the artwork that was "borrowed" from the internet will come out muddy and jagged; this has the effect of making the artwork look even worse when juxtaposed next to the crisp type that the banner artist set.

What you would have to do is go track down a print resolution copy of the 'borrowed' artwork and then insert that into your banner...I imagine that would be a long shot considering you'd probably need to involve some sort of government agency/employee to get a copy of that particular seal.

* for the folks inquiring about the font used in the new Calguns logo it looks a lot like Impact to me (although the serif on the foot of the letter "G" looks slimmer than Impact and the overall height appears a little taller than Impact, so I could be wrong), you should all have that on your computers already and if you don't it can likely be had for the wonderful price of free!

Can'thavenuthingood
03-23-2010, 3:46 PM
About 3 years ago when I took the logo artwork to get it done up in digital format for printing on the T-shirts and stickers etc, 'Impact' was the font.

Same on the CALGUNS.NET bumper stickers.

I don't know which font they are using for the new logo.

Vick

FastFinger
03-23-2010, 5:46 PM
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8226/cgnflag.png

ponderosa
03-24-2010, 1:18 AM
Only problem with stuff like this is that you can't really 'borrow' artwork from the internet and then print it. It's a technical thing, you need to work at 300 dpi with printed materials (you can get away with less but that's generally the industry standard...and with large format printing like this you generally work at scale, so there's a lot of fancy interpolation on the printer's end). Display graphics, such as the stuff you can grab from websites, are 72 dpi, which is quite a big difference.

If this were printed the type that he/she set will print very crisp and nice but the artwork that was "borrowed" from the internet will come out muddy and jagged; this has the effect of making the artwork look even worse when juxtaposed next to the crisp type that the banner artist set.

What you would have to do is go track down a print resolution copy of the 'borrowed' artwork and then insert that into your banner...I imagine that would be a long shot considering you'd probably need to involve some sort of government agency/employee to get a copy of that particular seal.

* for the folks inquiring about the font used in the new Calguns logo it looks a lot like Impact to me (although the serif on the foot of the letter "G" looks slimmer than Impact and the overall height appears a little taller than Impact, so I could be wrong), you should all have that on your computers already and if you don't it can likely be had for the wonderful price of free!

There is 100% free content available online. And some of it is vector which resolution really doesn't apply. The graphics I did, while done in Photoshop for mock-up, would be redone in Illustrator and be 100% vector. True, any bitmap images used would have to be very high quality. Jeff U I believe it is posted to let him know if anyone needs images - I imagine he could supply high enough resolution of at least some images.

The font used in the logo, while I'm not 100% certain, I'm pretty sure is this one http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/rhode/mediumcondensed/specs.html. I don't have this font though...

My son was born todayyesterday, but I do hope to get some more ideas out there soon.

Demonfart
03-24-2010, 1:41 PM
There is 100% free content available online. And some of it is vector which resolution really doesn't apply.

Excellent point, I use Creative Commons a TON in my professional design work, it's an amazing source of free...everything really. And vector is infinitely scalable indeed, I was speaking more towards the state seals and such, that stuff looks to be difficult to obtain vector copies of (I could be wrong though, in the past when dealing with government seals I've resorted to recreating the artwork on my own or having one of my production designers do so, rather than requesting it from the state/federal office in question).

Congrats on your new son!

*** here are some good sources for all the people working on this project, or for anyone thinking about working on this project ***

http://creativecommons.org/ - a database for graphics and photos that you can legally share, remix, and reuse
http://www.dafont.com/ - well organized free font website
http://www.bluevertigo.com.ar/bluevertigo.htm - a huge database full of all manner of design-centric goodies; stock/free photos, fonts, textures, photoshop patters, etc.
http://psd.tutsplus.com/ - really amazing photoshop and design tutorial site; if you are an amateur and need ANY help at all this is a wonderful resource, it's also good for pros too

soopafly
03-27-2010, 12:35 AM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

obeygiant
03-27-2010, 12:43 AM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

nice work!

ZirconJohn
03-27-2010, 12:49 AM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

Mannnnnnn... that's pretty...!:yes:

obeygiant
03-27-2010, 2:13 AM
Excellent point, I use Creative Commons a TON in my professional design work, it's an amazing source of free...everything really. And vector is infinitely scalable indeed, I was speaking more towards the state seals and such, that stuff looks to be difficult to obtain vector copies of (I could be wrong though, in the past when dealing with government seals I've resorted to recreating the artwork on my own or having one of my production designers do so, rather than requesting it from the state/federal office in question).

Congrats on your new son!

*** here are some good sources for all the people working on this project, or for anyone thinking about working on this project ***


Here are a few that I found:
ca seal 1 (http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/htmls/line1749.htm)
ca seal 2 (http://www.seeklogo.com/the-great-seal-of-the-state-of-california-logo-138506.html)
ca seal 3 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=11133507)
ca seal 4 (http://vector-images.com/image.php?epsid=4032)
ca seal 5 (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/148583795_cd05ab2e51.jpg)
ca seal .ai format (http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/tsip/TSIPGSC/library/graphics/CA%20Seal.ai)
eps files on ca.gov (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aca.gov+filetype%3Aeps&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)
pdf files on ca.gov (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=vi7&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Aca.gov+filetype%3Apdf+state+seal&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=)
current california web logo (http://www.webtools.ca.gov/Downloads/CA_Logo/CA_logo_Master.zip)

oaklander
03-27-2010, 9:29 AM
For those of you that don't know - Soopalfy designed the current CGF logo. IMHO, one of the best logos out there!

:chris:

Can'thavenuthingood
03-27-2010, 9:57 AM
For those of you that don't know - Soopalfy designed the current CGF logo. IMHO, one of the best logos out there!

:chris:

You did it again Soopafly, nice work.

He also did this;
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2460/3773901946_84a13d74fa.jpg (http://www.gunsr4.us/image/soopafly3.jpg)

and this;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3594/3773901622_c05b46d028.jpg (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=207991&highlight=soopafly+tactical+design)


and this one
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN%20shirts/IMG_0612.jpg (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=217766&highlight=soopafly+tactical+design)


Started with this one
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3443881310_6ebe1e27d3_o.jpg (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=173553&highlight=soopafly+tactical+design)


The man has a talent for this design stuff:)

Vick

soopafly
03-27-2010, 11:04 PM
CGN banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN/CGN_banner_01.jpg

Can'thavenuthingood
03-28-2010, 7:01 PM
My thoughts are we should be keying on the educational aspects of the forum.
Yes we know it does and what it is but I think it ought to be said out loud. For a first rate educational discussion regarding firearms and gun laws, CALGUNS is the only place to filter out the FUD & BS and learn.

Vick

obeygiant
03-28-2010, 8:09 PM
CGN banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN/CGN_banner_01.jpg

Simple and elegant, i like it.

proxiedjohnny
03-28-2010, 8:35 PM
why don't you guys take some of that raffle money you're bringing in and hire someone who does logo design 40 hours a week to give you a professional product?

N6ATF
03-28-2010, 9:05 PM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

Holy crap that's beautiful. "FREEDON", though?

CGN one's nice too.

obeygiant
03-28-2010, 9:05 PM
why don't you guys take some of that raffle money you're bringing in and hire someone who does logo design 40 hours a week to give you a professional product?

That raffle is going directly towards the cost of hosting this forum. This contest is also an opportunity for members here to get involved and give something back to the community. As you can see in Wildhawker's original post the banners are going to be used for outreach campaigns and gun show booths. We are a grass-roots organization with limited resources and everything you see here is produced by the members of CGN for the purpose of protecting and advancing our 2A rights.

Here's the deal:

We're looking for some fresh, modern and visually appealing banners for our on-the-ground outreach campaigns and booths. These need to be something that draws folks "into the tent", so to speak.

So all you creative Calgunners, what banner designs will help us advance our rights in California?

ETA:

BTW, we have several members on this forum that do graphic design for a living and some of them have posted examples in this thread.

soopafly
03-28-2010, 9:51 PM
why don't you guys take some of that raffle money you're bringing in and hire someone who does logo design 40 hours a week to give you a professional product?
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2: damn FNGs...

blackberg
03-29-2010, 12:17 AM
BTW, we have several members on this forum that do graphic design for a living and some of them have posted examples in this thread.

DITTO!

-bb

proxiedjohnny
03-29-2010, 4:18 AM
That raffle is going directly towards the cost of hosting this forum. This contest is also an opportunity for members here to get involved and give something back to the community. As you can see in Wildhawker's original post the banners are going to be used for outreach campaigns and gun show booths. We are a grass-roots organization with limited resources and everything you see here is produced by the members of CGN for the purpose of protecting and advancing our 2A rights.

There's no way the raffle isn't covering all the costs of hosting this forum. What about all the ads on this site? I thought the company that hosts this site is "sponsoring" it. Is that not the case? It looks like a lot of people buy raffle tickets and there are a ton of ads all over the place. Unless something crazy is going on the site should be generating a good amount of money to pay for services like graphic design.

That's cool that members are contributing material but if it's not all that great (or consistent) it's not doing anyone any favors. Look at how nice the the bulk of the anti-gunner's print and web stuff is. Then take a look at this website and other hideous pro-gun sites like calnra.com. I think it might be worth the tiny pittance to hire a company to put together a professional print and web package. That would also provide a set of guidelines for members to go by when they create new content.

That's where I'm coming from with my comments. The anti's web and print stuff is usually pretty great while our side's stuff is normally awful. It wouldn't cost much to change that. With a good bedrock of professional images and color guidelines to work with these banner projects would be quick to put together and would yield consistent and high quality results.

artherd
03-29-2010, 11:41 AM
There's no way the raffle isn't covering all the costs of hosting this forum. What about all the ads on this site? I thought the company that hosts this site is "sponsoring" it. Is that not the case? It looks like a lot of people buy raffle tickets and there are a ton of ads all over the place. Unless something crazy is going on the site should be generating a good amount of money to pay for services like graphic design.

GeoVario, LLC (my 2-a friendly web-hosting company) hosts CGN, and we eat four figures a month on it, and will continue to do so as I consider CGN too important. (We do get free banner space.) Ads and other CGN revenue goes into CGN's own accounts, and my understanding is that it's used to buy vB software, trademark/copyrighting CGN and the AW chart, booth space(the community's had to pick that up, I'd like to see that change), CGN's own print expenses, etc. Frankly CGN hasn't made or had a lot of money.

Look at how nice the the bulk of the anti-gunner's print and web stuff is.

You make a good point here - I think that's why Brandon started this thread. One thing you will learn about CGN is how incredibly strong and talented the community is.

-Ben.

artherd
03-29-2010, 11:43 AM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

WOW - Fantastic work sir! (see what I mean?)

FastFinger
03-29-2010, 12:09 PM
Looking at your posts it appears you know a bit baout websites and design, CGN is never bashful about asking for help, so how about voluntereing?

As far as the antis vs CGN aesthetics... They've been around far longer and have had more time to work on presentation, we're just getting started. And considering the relatively young age of CGN and CGF, we are doing serious damage to the antis and that will continue, but it's only through the efforts and contributions of our community.

Constructive criticism is appreciated, but help is appreciated even more.


There's no way the raffle isn't covering all the costs of hosting this forum. What about all the ads on this site? I thought the company that hosts this site is "sponsoring" it. Is that not the case? It looks like a lot of people buy raffle tickets and there are a ton of ads all over the place. Unless something crazy is going on the site should be generating a good amount of money to pay for services like graphic design.

That's cool that members are contributing material but if it's not all that great (or consistent) it's not doing anyone any favors. Look at how nice the the bulk of the anti-gunner's print and web stuff is. Then take a look at this website and other hideous pro-gun sites like calnra.com. I think it might be worth the tiny pittance to hire a company to put together a professional print and web package. That would also provide a set of guidelines for members to go by when they create new content.

That's where I'm coming from with my comments. The anti's web and print stuff is usually pretty great while our side's stuff is normally awful. It wouldn't cost much to change that. With a good bedrock of professional images and color guidelines to work with these banner projects would be quick to put together and would yield consistent and high quality results.

wildhawker
03-29-2010, 1:19 PM
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ponderosa
03-29-2010, 2:00 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/4474607588_09798be359_o.gif

obeygiant
03-29-2010, 4:01 PM
Nice work ponderosa.

imtheomegaman
03-29-2010, 4:28 PM
I've seen some really professional stuff come from (for damned cheap):
http://crowdspring.com/
.02

loather
03-29-2010, 4:32 PM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg


This one gets my vote. Fix the 'Freedon' typo, though! :)

loather
03-29-2010, 4:35 PM
CGN banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN/CGN_banner_01.jpg

It's elegant in its simplicity. I like this one as well.

Although, I do get the impression that with 'FREE' thrown around so much, that, if I didn't know any better, all this 'FREE' stuff is just an enticement to get you to pay for the non-free content (of which I know there is none, but people will think that there is).

Maybe at the top, "ABSOLUTELY NO COST," then the same bulleted list of teasers?

artherd
03-29-2010, 5:19 PM
^ I really like the above with some slight tweeks.

Remove "FREE" from each bullet item. Change top text to "Join Us - Membership is Free."

AndrewMendez
03-29-2010, 5:39 PM
Mine is terrible compared to some of these!!!! I don't even want to post what I have been working on! ;)

papertrail
03-29-2010, 8:22 PM
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg


This one gets my vote. Fix the 'Freedon' typo, though! :)

This is my favorite! I'm voting for this one...way to go soopafly

obeygiant
03-29-2010, 8:24 PM
^ I really like the above with some slight tweeks.

Remove "FREE" from each bullet item. Change top text to "Join Us - Membership is Free."

I agree with ben's comments above. The "Join Us - Membership is Free" pretty well communicates that there is no cost involved in becoming a member and the bullet points then become informational items about the benefits of being a member.

obeygiant
03-29-2010, 8:26 PM
Mine is terrible compared to some of these!!!! I don't even want to post what I have been working on! ;)

Don't let the work you've already done go to waste, post it up. Regardless of whether it is selected it may offer something that we haven't seen already.

FastFinger
03-29-2010, 8:31 PM
Agreed! Post whatever you have, it may include a different angle, a unique element, that can be incorporated into the final design!

I've posted and contributed plenty of stuff, most of it goes nowhere, but I can see tiny bits of it here and there, including the CGN logo - gives me a warm fuzzy feeling every time I see it.

artherd
03-29-2010, 9:05 PM
Mine is terrible compared to some of these!!!! I don't even want to post what I have been working on! ;)

Post it! That's the cool thing about a community effort - everyone's work adds up and you get new ideas that might never have existed if not for the participation of us all.

tom1850
03-29-2010, 9:39 PM
Thought this might work for a banner.

http://76.12.40.116/calguns2.jpg

AndrewMendez
03-29-2010, 9:59 PM
Alright Darn It!!! I don't have Photo Shop on this comp, its at my buddies house. I should be able to post it up tonight.

FastFinger
03-29-2010, 10:03 PM
Quick note - although Calguns Foundation is nonprofit 501(c)3 - Calguns.net does not share that tax exempt status.

tom1850
03-30-2010, 10:54 AM
http://76.12.40.116/foundation1.jpg

ponderosa
03-30-2010, 3:40 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4476934459_8be3e5b17f_o.gif

blackberg
03-30-2010, 4:20 PM
I think the web address should not be hard to find, and "donate" should be easy to find as well, these things are not cheap :p

most of the designs have the address small and some of them dont have "donate" on at all. Unless I am wrong, the banners are to drive more traffic to the CGF and increase donations to keep fighting the fight.

just to clarify, I am talking about the CGF banners not the CGN


-bb

ponderosa
03-30-2010, 11:58 PM
Good point Blackberg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4477940995_e6815dfa1d_o.gif

ponderosa
03-31-2010, 12:26 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4478603444_49b660b35f_o.gif

blackberg
03-31-2010, 12:57 AM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4478603444_49b660b35f_o.gif

I am liking this
-bb

soopafly
03-31-2010, 1:17 AM
A second CGN banner idea...I thought I would try something that had space for sponsorship logos. Maybe some of the vendors on the forum might want to buy space on the banner, or perhaps affiliate logos(NRA-ILA, CRPA, etc.) can be put there.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN/CGN_banner_02.jpg

tom1850
03-31-2010, 9:45 AM
Calguns
http://76.12.40.116/calgunsFinal.jpg

Calguns Foundation
http://76.12.40.116/foundationFinal.jpg

ponderosa
03-31-2010, 11:52 AM
changed the check marks... this would work w/out the rifle background as well.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2765/4479153653_a8482baf9f_o.gif

wildhawker
03-31-2010, 12:01 PM
Quick update: I've been down for a few days with a bad cold, so I haven't responded to a few email requests for the logo. In light of this, I'll allow those who requested the logo an extension for an equal amount of time since their request. This contest will be closed for all others at midnight tonight per the first post.

Thanks to all for the tremendous creativity, support and participation.

-Brandon

Kestryll
03-31-2010, 3:37 PM
First off, sorry to hear you're fighting a cold, that's never fun. Get some rest, take the meds if any have been prescribed and feel better!
Second, thanks for organizing this contest and overseeing it, your efforts here and in the volunteer groups are both very amazing and very appreciated. You work like a sled dog!

Wow, there are some very impressive banners being put forth here, picking one to be the winner is going to be quite a task.
I've saved a copy of each of the proposed CGN banner, once it's closed and the final submissions are in I'll upload the file to the server and send the url to you and the Staff so we can make a final decision.

Get some sleep and feel better!

AndrewMendez
03-31-2010, 7:33 PM
I still have my second submission, nothing compared to some of these guys! I need to take one of those photoshop refreshers! I should be able to post it up before Midnight!

ZirconJohn
03-31-2010, 7:39 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4478603444_49b660b35f_o.gif

WOW...! :rolleyes: :thumbsup:

obeygiant
03-31-2010, 8:05 PM
http://76.12.40.116/foundation1.jpg

Is it just me or does the arrangement of the ammo look like someone giving the finger? Either way, I like it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4478603444_49b660b35f_o.gif

very nice,composition is good and colors really make it stand out

A second CGN banner idea...I thought I would try something that had space for sponsorship logos. Maybe some of the vendors on the forum might want to buy space on the banner, or perhaps affiliate logos(NRA-ILA, CRPA, etc.) can be put there.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGN/CGN_banner_02.jpg

I like this one as well especially the idea of leaving some room for a sponsor.


Calguns Foundation
http://76.12.40.116/foundationFinal.jpg

This one for the CGF is classy.

Everyone here has done a tremendous job and we're lucky to have such amazing talent amongst our ranks.

obeygiant
03-31-2010, 8:10 PM
I still have my second submission, nothing compared to some of these guys! I need to take one of those photoshop refreshers! I should be able to post it up before Midnight!

Bring it on. We need everyone's input on these.

ponderosa
03-31-2010, 11:53 PM
Alas, ran out of time, but another idea I had...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4481191408_9de023f379_o.gif

ponderosa
03-31-2010, 11:59 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/4481198854_f241154eb8_o.gif

N6ATF
04-01-2010, 12:33 AM
Is it just me or does the arrangement of the ammo look like someone giving the finger? Either way, I like it.

Haha, now that you mention it...

AndrewMendez
04-01-2010, 12:35 AM
Bring it on. We need everyone's input on these.

My buddy never returned my call, I don't have Photo shop on my personal comp, but it needed some tweeking anyways. Oh well!

ponderosa
04-01-2010, 3:39 PM
Okay, I know it is "over" but this is how I wanted post 107/108 to come out, I just didn't have enough time last night.

Thought I'd post it up regardless...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/4482857048_68ef1bc441_o.gif

ETA: Guess I got "banned" for posting this. Sorry :(

But seriously, just an idea.

imtheomegaman
04-01-2010, 4:06 PM
CGF banner idea:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h59/soopafly_photos/CGF/CGF_banner_01.jpg

CGN banner to come...

Best by far.

hoffmang
04-01-2010, 10:06 PM
Best by far.

It's the best for CGF, but how did Don end up in jail? :rolleyes:

-Gene

jdberger
04-01-2010, 11:04 PM
FYI - anyone notice how many PDs there are that follow CGF on Twitter?

Wow.

hoffmang
04-02-2010, 12:31 AM
FYI - anyone notice how many PDs there are that follow CGF on Twitter?

Wow.

That may be because CGF follows them... :43:

-Gene

bplvr
04-30-2010, 2:55 PM
I liked post # 96 .As a suggestion....if we have the # of members on the banner ,make sure there is enough room between the
word "OVER"....46,000 Members" to add stickie numbers when we get to "OVER..100,000 Members later this year.
Also, don't make the banners taller than 30" {table height} and no more than 84"wide {our ABS frames are 96"}

AndrewMendez
04-30-2010, 3:08 PM
Hey whatever happened with this? I really wanted my mediocre one to win!!!

wildhawker
04-30-2010, 7:05 PM
Unofficially the CGF design by soopafly has been adopted and will be going into service soon.

Since I'm no longer associated with or volunteering for Calguns, Inc., the winning design for that organization will have to be selected and announced by a representative of the Calguns, Inc. company.

artherd
05-03-2010, 8:30 AM
CGN will be announcing the new banner shortly, thank you to all the talented folks who contributed designs!