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jdberger
03-18-2010, 10:34 AM
I was recently perusing the Bass Pro Shop catalog and came across this warning box (http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_90583_100011008_100000000_100011000_100-11-8):

The sale of all dangerous knives is restricted by law in New Jersey, New York, Michigan, California, and Illinois. A dangerous knife is defined as any knife having a blade of five (5) inches or more, or an overall length of ten (10) inches or more.

Huh?

:confused:

IGOTDIRT4U
03-18-2010, 10:36 AM
FUD, as far a CA is concerned. It's not even close.

smogcity
03-18-2010, 10:49 AM
If the pinheads in Sacramento had their way, we would only have access to butter knives (and then only the ones on a "not-unsafe" list).

CharlieK
03-18-2010, 12:44 PM
While Bass Pro Shops can sell or not sell whatever they want, they're wrong about the length limit. Tell them you'll shop elsewhere.

POLICESTATE
03-18-2010, 12:49 PM
Just wait until they ban scissors, they've got TWO blades! :eek:

Here's something else that is even more stupid: UK won't let you buy a butter knife unless you're 18.

ocspeedracer
03-18-2010, 12:53 PM
i'm noticing the same kind of thing with Cheaperthandirt.com no Kershaw's, or other knives but they don't state why.

IrishPirate
03-18-2010, 1:00 PM
total FUD....it just goes to show how little out of state businesses actually respect CA customers. They don't even try to understand our laws, they'd just rather not sell to us because we're from Kommiefornia. I really hope McDonald helps to change that

Vladimir
03-18-2010, 1:03 PM
doesnt surprise me, when i was in high school you get expelled and arrested by the campus cop if you brought scissors, or a "sharp" ( not plastic) tool for measuring in geometry class. Thanks guys for looking out for my safety!!

jdberger
03-18-2010, 1:03 PM
OK - who's volunteering to write a nice letter?

PM it to me and I'll edit it.

POLICESTATE
03-18-2010, 1:04 PM
doesnt surprise me, when i was in high school you get expelled and arrested by the campus cop if you brought scissors, or a "sharp" ( not plastic) tool for measuring in geometry class. Thanks guys for looking out for my safety!!

How about a compass? Not the direction finding one but the one you use to make perfect circles? Nice spiky thing on there, could stab someone up with that quite nicely. Almost like the meat thermometer in the neck stabbing at that Lancaster theater.

Vladimir
03-18-2010, 1:07 PM
How about a compass? Not the direction finding one but the one you use to make perfect circles? Nice spiky thing on there, could stab someone up with that quite nicely. Almost like the meat thermometer in the neck stabbing at that Lancaster theater.

yeah, the compass thats the tool i was talking about, forgot the name of it. I remember when i was told that i about crapped my pants in awe of how "utopia" like its become.

Some kids would take ROP classes at the airport, one required them to bring a small sharp instrument to class. When they showed up at school to get on the bus to head to the airport, they found it, shes arrested and expelled. Its all gone to hell if you ask me.

Untamed1972
03-18-2010, 1:16 PM
5 inches huh? Wow.....guess I've been breaking law all this time by being in posession of that 36" sword of mine.

Not to mention several 8" kitchen knives. :0

POLICESTATE
03-18-2010, 1:17 PM
I have some chef's knives that are totally over 5", omg I'm never gonna see the light of day again!

magsnubs
03-18-2010, 1:24 PM
When I grew up you could still run with scissors!

wash
03-18-2010, 1:28 PM
In McDonald vs. Chicago, one of the justices did mention that knives were protected arms.

It's a good thing too because I want to keep my bottle opener.

GSequoia
03-18-2010, 1:35 PM
I, for one, applaud the fact that they refuse to sell us dangerous knives and wish they would apply that policy to the entire country (or world if they do international sales).

Dangerous knives are a real problem, if the tank were to break on a fixed blade or the lock fail on a folder you could be seriously injured. The best way to avoid this is to only purchase quality knives instead of cheap, dangerous products.

Good job Base Amateur shop in helping to keep dangerous products out of my pocket!

383green
03-18-2010, 1:38 PM
A dull knife is a dangerous knife.

obeygiant
03-18-2010, 1:42 PM
From one of the other knife threads

Here are a few links to keep you busy.


1JimMarch has an excellent post on knife laws here (http://www.ninehundred.com/~equalccw/knifelaw.html)
Librarian's post on CA Knife Laws here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2289918&postcount=6)
Knife Flow Chart Thread Part 1 here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=171226)
Knife Flow Chart Thread Part 2 here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=272566&page=2)
Another knife thread here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=145470)
Or just use the CGN Google Search here (http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=018149931542195181678:pzxbzjzh1zk)


It should provide you with all the ammo you need for the letter.

ErikTheRed
03-18-2010, 1:45 PM
I picked out a really cool knife online, but it wasn't on the CA Roster of Approved Cutlery. It didn't pass the drop test, it didn't have an open blade indicator, and it didn't have a sheath disconnect. So, I picked out a knife that was on the roster, a new Buck Bladeless, but I wanted the black version and CA only approved the stainless one.

obeygiant
03-18-2010, 1:53 PM
A couple more:

Kind of off topic.. but question about Knife Laws...Orange County. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=189570)
CA Knife law forum or question? (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=222469)
CA knife carry laws: what's legal? (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=72639)
Fixed blade knife open carry (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=50406)

jdberger
03-18-2010, 1:56 PM
From one of the other knife threads



It should provide you with all the ammo you need for the letter.

Still waiting for the nattering nabobs to volunteer a letter.....

Lots of yap - not much action. :mad:

wash
03-18-2010, 2:04 PM
You could probably re-write a letter from when customs tried to re-classify assisted openers as switchblades.

jdberger
03-18-2010, 2:09 PM
You could probably re-write a letter from when customs tried to re-classify assisted openers as switchblades.

But there are so many others who want to get involved but don't....

Why should I deny them that opportunity?

Glock22Fan
03-18-2010, 2:11 PM
I picked out a really cool knife online, but it wasn't on the CA Roster of Approved Cutlery. It didn't pass the drop test, it didn't have an open blade indicator, and it didn't have a sheath disconnect. So, I picked out a knife that was on the roster, a new Buck Bladeless, but I wanted the black version and CA only approved the stainless one.

I want one with a shoulder thing that goes up!

Librarian
03-18-2010, 6:43 PM
Still waiting for the nattering nabobs to volunteer a letter.....

Lots of yap - not much action. :mad:

Regrettably, I'm pretty sure that such a letter will have no more effect on those who misunderstand than shouting at your keyboard.

There is a mindset that any avoidable risk is too much risk. The effort to understand CA laws just looks like too much work for too little return. I think that evaluation is wrong, but it is not my business at risk, however mistaken the business owners may be about that risk.

I've written such a letter to Sportsman's Guide; it got nowhere. My only rational recourse is to vote with my dollars, and not give business to the over-lawyered, and tell them so.

But, the letter:
Sirs,

On page xx of your most recent catalog, a warning appears: "The sale of all dangerous knives is restricted by law in New Jersey, New York, Michigan, California, and Illinois. A dangerous knife is defined as any knife having a blade of five (5) inches or more, or an overall length of ten (10) inches or more. "

There is no provision of California law that meets that description. There is no legal concept in California of "dangerous knife". In general, knives are unregulated in California law. I'm certain your legal department may verify this by searching for the term "knife" in the on-line California Penal Code at http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html.

Once satisfied that the warning is inaccurate for California, I trust you will edit the page to reflect the correct information.

Very truly yours,

yellowfin
03-18-2010, 6:50 PM
I get all my knives from Smokey Mountain Knife Works. EXCELLENT selection, probably the world's best, and nothing but 100% superb service. I've never seen reason to do business with anyone else.

jdberger
03-18-2010, 6:56 PM
Sirs,

On page xx of your most recent catalog, a warning appears: "The sale of all dangerous knives is restricted by law in New Jersey, New York, Michigan, California, and Illinois. A dangerous knife is defined as any knife having a blade of five (5) inches or more, or an overall length of ten (10) inches or more. "

There is no provision of California law that meets that description. There is no legal concept in California of "dangerous knife". In general, knives are unregulated in California law. I'm certain your legal department may verify this by searching for the term "knife" in the on-line California Penal Code at http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html.

Once satisfied that the warning is inaccurate for California, I trust you will edit the page to reflect the correct information.

Very truly yours,




And THAT, Gentlemen, is called "stepping up".

Thanks again, Librarian, for taking the time to help maintain our rights in California.

Apparently it was too much lifting for some.....

:rolleyes::o

spddrcr
03-18-2010, 8:28 PM
Just wait until they ban scissors, they've got TWO blades! :eek:

Here's something else that is even more stupid: UK won't let you buy a butter knife unless you're 18.

you ever been stabbed by a home sharpened butter knife? kid there cant get guns like they do here so they buy knives and sharpen them at home.

how stupid is it really?:rolleyes:

bigcalidave
03-18-2010, 8:40 PM
OK - who's volunteering to write a nice letter?

PM it to me and I'll edit it.

Can you edit this into a nice letter?

you ******* ******** idiots **** are ******** you ****** when I ****** and then ***** in the ************* **** *****....

Sorry I just saw this thread :D

tiko
03-18-2010, 9:02 PM
The compass got 1 needle in one hand, the other hand contains pencil or lead. The measuring tool (to mark a distance and trace it on paper) has 2 hands of pointed needle. My friend got it taken from a police officer back in 1979 because that LEO did not know what is it and thought it is a weapon. That tool introducing to students usually in sophomore.