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Doheny
03-17-2010, 8:12 PM
Just within the margin of error: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34559.html


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bwiese
03-17-2010, 9:01 PM
Which means: GUNNIES CARRY SOME WEIGHT.

Glock22Fan
03-17-2010, 9:03 PM
Which means: GUNNIES CARRY SOME WEIGHT.

Just because my wife made me throw out all my undersized clothes last weekend doesn't give you the right to laugh at me, Bill.

clay32
03-17-2010, 9:25 PM
Which means: GUNNIES CARRY SOME WEIGHT.

Forgive me if I don't understand completely, but how exactly do you mean?

By the way, who would a truly pro-small business/pro 2A-RKBA Californian such as myself support. It seems we are faced with a 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other choice every time we go to the polls here in CA.

curtisfong
03-17-2010, 9:31 PM
I'm reading this as "Whitman is rich".

1859sharps
03-17-2010, 9:40 PM
this is most likely an election that us 2nd amendment types will really need to evaluate who to vote for based on more then party affiliation.

Just because someone is Republican does not always mean they are pro business, pro gun rights.

Just being a Democrat does not mean anti gun, anti business.

people used to look past party affiliation a lot more. now it seems we can't imagine trusting some who isn't in our party, even when that person just might be who we should be voting for rather then our own parties candidate. talking concept right now.

back to the real world. it has been hinted on this forum that Jerry Brown might be more pro gun and more pro business then his party label would suggest. And quite possibly more so then some of the Republican choices.

Might be worth looking past the D after his name and check out his recent record for your self and see if this is true or not.

For the record, I am not at this time a Jerry Brown supporter, nor am I a registered Democrat. I am just saying we need to look past party affiliation sometimes.

BigDogatPlay
03-17-2010, 10:05 PM
Neither JB or Meg Whitman is likely to be any great shakes in a positive way across many social and economic issues. They have both drunk deeply of the Green Kool-Aid for instance, and quite likely either one would happily drive the state right off the cliff.

However, what we gunnies know, or think we do anyway, is that JB is likely a bit more disposed to our view of things than Meg's public position and past actions (as CEO of Ebay) have been relative to 2A.

Shotgun Man
03-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Jerry Brown may need to stick his neck out a little bit more in support of gun rights. He supported MacDonald, but probably Whitman will say the same.

I know that Whitman has said that she supports the CA AWB. I can't imagine Jerry Brown would say he is in favor of its repeal.

bambam8d1
03-17-2010, 10:12 PM
Sorry to change it a lil bit here.... but what about steve poizner? whats everyones opinion on him?

AndrewMendez
03-17-2010, 10:28 PM
I thought we where gonna get Oak, Librarian, Liberty 1 or Wildhawker to run!!!!! Its not too late, get in there! What better way to secure our freedom, then to have one of us in office!

bulgron
03-17-2010, 10:40 PM
This poll just tells me that Meg Whitman is currently all over the airwaves (because she needs to win a primary), while Brown has not yet really started to campaign.

Shotgun Man
03-17-2010, 10:46 PM
Ask them both-- assuming incorporation, do you believe there are any gun laws on the books here that are unconstitutional?

Jerry Brown could smack down Whitman in a debate. The man is more intelligent and principled. He would probably say there are some laws that will and should get struck down.

Hope I'm not wrong. I actually supported his campaign for prez back in the late 80s.

Carnivore
03-18-2010, 12:09 AM
steve poizner= male Pelosi

gorblimey
03-18-2010, 2:42 AM
The lot of them are sacks of excrement. That is a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for playing politics at this level.

Ford8N
03-18-2010, 4:53 AM
The problems of this state are to big for the Governor to fix so who cares what party wins. Vote for your guns.

yellowfin
03-18-2010, 5:20 AM
this is most likely an election that us 2nd amendment types will really need to evaluate who to vote for based on more then party affiliation.

Just because someone is Republican does not always mean they are pro business, pro gun rights.

Just being a Democrat does not mean anti gun, anti business.

people used to look past party affiliation a lot more. now it seems we can't imagine trusting some who isn't in our party, even when that person just might be who we should be voting for rather then our own parties candidate. talking concept right now.

The basic concept is Jerry is listed as (D) because having the label (R) is apparently some kind of political death mark in CA, outcast and unelectable purely and solely by means of a simple letter.

GM4spd
03-18-2010, 6:17 AM
She won't win. Pete

goodlookin1
03-18-2010, 6:45 AM
Meg Whitman is a pig with lipstick. She claims to be republican but doesnt hold to half of the republican ideals. She's anti-gun, SUPER pro abortion....even in favor of public funding for abortion, supports healthcare to illegals, etc. Only "conservative" thing about this lady is her alleged spending ideals. I have no idea what else she supports, but she has crossed over many critical "red lines" for for a lot of conservatives.

I dont care who she says she is or who she is affiliated with.....she does not represent me one iota. She wont get my vote.

halifax
03-18-2010, 6:51 AM
The problems of this state are to big for the Governor to fix so who cares what party wins. Vote for your guns.

I think that is why her commercials tick me off the most. She iterates what is wrong with CA like she is the first one to have figured it out. Everyone already knows what is wrong but no one is offering any viable solutions. I doubt this state can be fixed; so, I will vote my guns.

IGOTDIRT4U
03-18-2010, 7:07 AM
This poll just tells me that Meg Whitman is currently all over the airwaves (because she needs to win a primary), while Brown has not yet really started to campaign.

Excellent point. If she leads by the margin only, considering the efforts she has gone to make her name recognizable to the people, and the complete lack of effoorts by JB so far, that tells me a lot.

chris
03-18-2010, 8:52 AM
I think that is why her commercials tick me off the most. She iterates what is wrong with CA like she is the first one to have figured it out. Everyone already knows what is wrong but no one is offering any viable solutions. I doubt this state can be fixed; so, I will vote my guns.

i also vote my GUNS. and i have said it before and i'll say it again.

this state is so stupid it makes Forrest Gump look Steven Hawking smart.

this state is beyond repair in the finance area. nothing more than total meltdown of their beloved system of spending will stop it.

dfletcher
03-18-2010, 10:18 AM
Just a few random thoughts.

Whitman seems to duck & dodge & hide behind the "I'm listening" palaver regarding guns. Her website is a dead end on interactive exchange.

That she - a relative unknown in CA politics - is a point or two up against Brown, who is well known, tells me that when the mud & fur start flying she'll take a hit. People who dislike Brown probably already know they dislike him. Voters will learn of reasons to not like Whitman - they don't know them yet.

I think a Republican elected Governor figures he has us in his back pocket - where else are we going to go? I think a Democrat elected Governer will be more inclined to work with us in order to keep us on his side - getting gun owners to vote for a Dem Governor in CA is extra votes come re-election time.

And perhaps, as leader of the party running the legislature, a Democrat would have better success keeping them away from introducing their annual run of anti-gun bills.

Mordeen
03-18-2010, 10:35 AM
Here's my thoughts on Jerry Brown, mostly the post he holds vs. the post he wants:

As Attorney General, he is responsible for defending existing state law. He seems pro-gun because there are still, though few, pro-gun laws in CA, and he can talk all he wants about more pro-gun law in CA because he needs gunnies votes, and talk is cheap.

As Governor, with a liberal-leaning state legislature, he can change existing law as anti-gun as he wants if the SCOTUS ruling on 2A is weak or unclear. Then we can kiss shall-issue and many other pro-2A laws goodbye. As we see time and time again, politicians talk moderate to get votes, then they toe the party line when the chips are down.

And seriously, is 2A all we really care about in California? Voting in a lib in the hopes of getting better 2A support, in exchange for higher taxes, more welfare, more criminal rights, etc etc? Scary.

-Mordeen

CharlieK
03-18-2010, 10:52 AM
I'm voting for Steve Poizner. I don't like Meg or Jerry Brown. Poizner appears to be as much on our side (2A wise) than either of the other two and he's far more fiscally conservative, which CA needs more than anything right now.

VOTE POIZNER!

kf6tac
03-18-2010, 11:48 AM
Here's my thoughts on Jerry Brown, mostly the post he holds vs. the post he wants:

As Attorney General, he is responsible for defending existing state law. He seems pro-gun because there are still, though few, pro-gun laws in CA, and he can talk all he wants about more pro-gun law in CA because he needs gunnies votes, and talk is cheap.

I wonder what "pro-gun" law in California would be so jeopardized by a failure to incorporate the Second Amendment that Jerry Brown felt it was necessary to go against the advice of his staff and personally write the amicus brief that he filed in McDonald?

Aptos
03-18-2010, 1:48 PM
Jerry Brown... Just what California needs to finish her off.

Mute
03-18-2010, 2:38 PM
Give Whitman some space and she'll hang herself. I can see the smugness and elitism broiling underneath just by the irritated look that seems to be constantly on her face. Prod her just a little and I'm sure she'll implode or explode. Either way, I will be glad to see it torpedo her chances for public office. I don't trust that woman, plain and simple.

Ford8N
03-18-2010, 3:00 PM
Here's my thoughts on Jerry Brown, mostly the post he holds vs. the post he wants:

As Attorney General, he is responsible for defending existing state law. He seems pro-gun because there are still, though few, pro-gun laws in CA, and he can talk all he wants about more pro-gun law in CA because he needs gunnies votes, and talk is cheap.

As Governor, with a liberal-leaning state legislature, he can change existing law as anti-gun as he wants if the SCOTUS ruling on 2A is weak or unclear. Then we can kiss shall-issue and many other pro-2A laws goodbye. As we see time and time again, politicians talk moderate to get votes, then they toe the party line when the chips are down.

And seriously, is 2A all we really care about in California? Voting in a lib in the hopes of getting better 2A support, in exchange for higher taxes, more welfare, more criminal rights, etc etc? Scary.

-Mordeen


You would get the same result with a Republican. So who cares.

And as far as all the higher taxes, welfare, criminal rights, ect. you mention, that will remain whether we have a R or D. The Governor cannot change anything. Arnie talked real big when he was campaigning and the voters believed him, look at what the big bad Republican ended up with...


Vote for guns. ;)

ErikTheRed
03-18-2010, 3:19 PM
As we see time and time again, politicians talk moderate to get votes

Lets define that further, shall we? "Barack Obama". Obama campaigned like a Reagan/Clinton hybrid, but governs like Castro/Stalin.

4D5auto
03-18-2010, 3:39 PM
Two idiots positioning for the same Dunce Cap!

Remember, Whitman and E-Bay, are NOT pro Gun!
Never trust a DemocRat and always question a Republican!

BigDogatPlay
03-18-2010, 4:05 PM
The basic concept is Jerry is listed as (D) because having the label (R) is apparently some kind of political death mark in CA, outcast and unelectable purely and solely by means of a simple letter.

How many Democrats were elected governor of California in the 20th century? The answer, surprisingly, is four... and two of them were named Brown.

Make no mistake, JB is an exceptionally leftist Democrat. His political record reads like it could have been written by the slate of Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Marx. He just happens to have a bit of libertarian in him on some issues, and in particular on one issue we here hold very important.

The way that the Republicans have moved leftward in California since Reagan left office in 1975, to try and maintain pace with the careening left Democrats who run the party and the state and hence some measure of relevance, has blurred any and all distinction between the two parties at the statewide level.

Schwarzenegger is no Republican. Not by any measure I know or believe in as a life long member of the party. The R after his name is merely a matter of convenience. Just as it is for the likes of Steve Poizner, Tom Campbell, Carly Fiorina and... yes, Meg Whitman.

Unless or until the Republican party in this state stands up on it's pee soaked hind legs and offers a sharp measure of distinction between itself and the statist Democrats... and follows through on it, California is doomed to fail.

Legasat
03-18-2010, 4:48 PM
Jerry Brown is uber lefty and wingnut to boot. But, he says he owns a gun, filed an americus brief on behalf of incorporation, and is cheap bastard when it comes to spending money. I have read that as Mayor of Oakland he was moderately business friendly, cut spending and got rid of several programs that wasted money in the City budget.

I am NOT a Jerry fan, but at this point between Meg & Jerry, I'll probably hold my nose, shake my head in disbelief and vote for Jerry.

4D5auto
03-18-2010, 5:11 PM
Some here may be to young to remember ole Jerry's nick name as Governor, Gov. Moon Beam! He was way out there then and he' has yet to return..

Sgt Raven
03-18-2010, 5:31 PM
Some here may be to young to remember ole Jerry's nick name as Governor, Gov. Moon Beam! He was way out there then and he' has yet to return..

Are you daft? JB had the MoonBeam moniker hung on him because he wanted California to have it's own communication satellite so our communications systems would continue to work during emergency's. Looking across the USA JB was ahead of his time. :rolleyes:

JimWest
03-18-2010, 6:38 PM
The problems of this state are to big for the Governor to fix so who cares what party wins. Vote for your guns.

As is often the case, the simplest and most obvious answer is likely the correct choice. And as Reagan often said, to paraphrase, stand by what you believe in, even when the choices are difficult.

I'm voting for the gun too, as Ford8N said. The rest will sort itself out (just not in our lifetime, regardless of who is elected).

five.five-six
03-18-2010, 6:43 PM
Forgive me if I don't understand completely, but how exactly do you mean?

By the way, who would a truly pro-small business/pro 2A-RKBA Californian such as myself support. It seems we are faced with a 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other choice every time we go to the polls here in CA.

this


http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6954/megwhitman.jpg

stag1500
03-18-2010, 8:21 PM
Just because someone is Republican does not always mean they are pro business, pro gun rights.

Just being a Democrat does not mean anti gun, anti business.


That's right. Oakland, while still not perfect, is in a lot better shape after Brown became mayor.

stag1500
03-18-2010, 8:28 PM
By the way, who would a truly pro-small business/pro 2A-RKBA Californian such as myself support. It seems we are faced with a 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other choice every time we go to the polls here in CA.

Setting business aside, Jerry Brown is the better choice if you're a pro 2A-RKBA Californian. At the very least, Brown would be able to veto anti-gun legislation. Whitman doesn't give a f*ck about gun-rights. She's just as bad as Michael Bloomberg.

smogcity
03-18-2010, 9:26 PM
I just cant friggin stand it...Obama's leading us straight to health care hell this week, and has now just voiced support for a new immigration bill with a biometric national id card...Now I have to vote for brown to keep another rino gov from screwing us again...

These are the days that try mens souls..

4D5auto
03-19-2010, 8:45 AM
Welcome to Socialism, the Mark Of The Beast, is on it's way..

IGOTDIRT4U
03-19-2010, 10:52 AM
Are you daft? JB had the MoonBeam moniker hung on him because he wanted California to have it's own communication satellite so our communications systems would continue to work during emergency's. Looking across the USA JB was ahead of his time. :rolleyes:

That's what I have been telling people. Maybe it was weirdo space stuff back then, but had NYC had a dedicated communcations satellite on 9-11, I truly believe more lives would have been saved. Look at all the trouble the Firefighters had communicating. JB is NOT a loon. His greatest current weakness is his greeen stance, and even he knows without a robust economy, he can't and won't push it.

Pvt. Cowboy
03-19-2010, 12:45 PM
Are you daft? JB had the MoonBeam moniker hung on him because he wanted California to have it's own communication satellite so our communications systems would continue to work during emergency's. Looking across the USA JB was ahead of his time. :rolleyes:

Nonsense.

You're revising history and not fooling the people who were actually alive during Governor Jerry Brown's time in office.

He got the 'Governor Moonbeam' name while he was running for President while he was still serving as CA's governor. His campaign platform included a treatise on Buckminster Fuller's dreams of the future and another author's 'Buddhist Economics'. His campaign slogan was "Protect the Earth, serve the people, and explore the universe."

Brown also ran a thirty minute infomercial for his Presidential campaign in 1980 that was filled with cheesy special effects. It made him a laughingstock and he dropped out of the race after only two state primaries. That he also considered Rev. Jesse Jackson at the top of his vice-presidential list didn't help much right around the time that Rev. Jackson referred to NYC as 'Hymietown'.

As governor, he rejected living in the governor's mansion and rented a little apartment across from the capitol building. He slept on a mattress on the floor and played Hindu chakras on the stereo system when reporters visited and let them use his bathroom where Linda Ronstadt's panties were bunched up in the corner. His official spokeswoman was an acid-head who looked like she came out of central casting for the role of 'spacey hippie lady peaking on LSD at the Renaissance Faire'. Governor Brown also appointed people to high ranking state positions after nothing more than talking to them in a supermarket for fifteen minutes because he thought 'they had some really good ideas'. Never mind that he traveled to Japan to seek enlightenment by some monk who ran a sect that believed he was the true Buddha returned to Earth.

Personally, I think that Jerry Brown was the world's number one 'nitwit genius' to have risen to the greatest heights of all intellectual incompetent fruitcakes until Barack Obama won the title away from him. I'm sure that he's a decent chap in person and would be very friendly to know firsthand, but that doesn't cut it.

That's why he became 'Governor Moonbeam', and not because of some satellite story you made up. By the end of his term, just about every Californian voter thought that Jerry Brown was a ridiculous figure whose very existence was an embarrassment to the state. But, much like Santayana warned, since you didn't live through those times you are prepared to make the same mistake again.

bulgron
03-19-2010, 12:53 PM
But, much like Santayana warned, since you didn't live through those times you are prepared to make the same mistake again.

Great. Does this mean that even if we do manage to kick Obama out of the Whitehouse in 2012, we can look forward to his return some 20 years down the road?

Sgt Raven
03-19-2010, 1:07 PM
Nonsense.
....snip a bunch of BS.......
That's why he became 'Governor Moonbeam', and not because of some satellite story you made up. By the end of his term, just about every Californian voter thought that Jerry Brown was a ridiculous figure whose very existence was an embarrassment to the state. But, much like Santayana warned, since you didn't live through those times you are prepared to make the same mistake again.

I was born here in '53 and lived here during RR and JB's governorships.


As Governor, Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite) that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that would indeed eventually be adopted by the state. In 1978 an out-of-state columnist, Mike Royko (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Royko), then at the Chicago Sun-Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Sun-Times), nicknamed Brown "Governor Moonbeam" because of the latter idea. In 1992, almost 15 years later, Royko would disavow the nickname, proclaiming Brown to be "just as serious" as any other politician.

IGOTDIRT4U
03-19-2010, 1:08 PM
That's why he became 'Governor Moonbeam', and not because of some satellite story you made up.

I was alive and old enough to know what was going on then. I, and Wiki, (not my favorite source for facts, but it mirrors what I remember) disagree with you.

As Governor, Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that would indeed eventually be adopted by the state. In 1978 an out-of-state columnist, Mike Royko, then at the Chicago Sun-Times, nicknamed Brown "Governor Moonbeam" because of the latter idea.

magsnubs
03-19-2010, 1:11 PM
I read "just as serious" to mean that they ALL have thier heads in the clouds!

BigDogatPlay
03-19-2010, 1:12 PM
One might also recall the name of a young up and comer who was JB's chief of staff when he was governor......

Gray Davis.

Pvt. Cowboy
03-19-2010, 1:20 PM
Great. Does this mean that even if we do manage to kick Obama out of the Whitehouse in 2012, we can look forward to his return some 20 years down the road?

It all depends on how many infants crawling around in their playpens today are susceptible to the reputation salvaging attempts of the political left like what was done for Jimmy Carter now that today's college students think that he was a 'great' President.

Aces and 8s
03-19-2010, 1:30 PM
this is most likely an election that us 2nd amendment types will really need to evaluate who to vote for based on more then party affiliation.

Just because someone is Republican does not always mean they are pro business, pro gun rights.

Just being a Democrat does not mean anti gun, anti business.

people used to look past party affiliation a lot more. now it seems we can't imagine trusting some who isn't in our party, even when that person just might be who we should be voting for rather then our own parties candidate. talking concept right now.

back to the real world. it has been hinted on this forum that Jerry Brown might be more pro gun and more pro business then his party label would suggest. And quite possibly more so then some of the Republican choices.

Might be worth looking past the D after his name and check out his recent record for your self and see if this is true or not.

For the record, I am not at this time a Jerry Brown supporter, nor am I a registered Democrat. I am just saying we need to look past party affiliation sometimes.

F Brown, hes for that POS AB32 global warming BS...

That POS bill WILL ruin the California Economy and hes all for it. F that.

4D5auto
03-20-2010, 9:42 AM
Nonsense.

You're revising history and not fooling the people who were actually alive during Governor Jerry Brown's time in office.

He got the 'Governor Moonbeam' name while he was running for President while he was still serving as CA's governor. His campaign platform included a treatise on Buckminster Fuller's dreams of the future and another author's 'Buddhist Economics'. His campaign slogan was "Protect the Earth, serve the people, and explore the universe."

Brown also ran a thirty minute infomercial for his Presidential campaign in 1980 that was filled with cheesy special effects. It made him a laughingstock and he dropped out of the race after only two state primaries. That he also considered Rev. Jesse Jackson at the top of his vice-presidential list didn't help much right around the time that Rev. Jackson referred to NYC as 'Hymietown'.

As governor, he rejected living in the governor's mansion and rented a little apartment across from the capitol building. He slept on a mattress on the floor and played Hindu chakras on the stereo system when reporters visited and let them use his bathroom where Linda Ronstadt's panties were bunched up in the corner. His official spokeswoman was an acid-head who looked like she came out of central casting for the role of 'spacey hippie lady peaking on LSD at the Renaissance Faire'. Governor Brown also appointed people to high ranking state positions after nothing more than talking to them in a supermarket for fifteen minutes because he thought 'they had some really good ideas'. Never mind that he traveled to Japan to seek enlightenment by some monk who ran a sect that believed he was the true Buddha returned to Earth.

Personally, I think that Jerry Brown was the world's number one 'nitwit genius' to have risen to the greatest heights of all intellectual incompetent fruitcakes until Barack Obama won the title away from him. I'm sure that he's a decent chap in person and would be very friendly to know firsthand, but that doesn't cut it.

That's why he became 'Governor Moonbeam', and not because of some satellite story you made up. By the end of his term, just about every Californian voter thought that Jerry Brown was a ridiculous figure whose very existence was an embarrassment to the state. But, much like Santayana warned, since you didn't live through those times you are prepared to make the same mistake again.

:hurray:

Amen brother! You're on my Christmas Card list now!

Don't let old Jerry Boy, fool you all, again!

dfletcher
03-20-2010, 10:15 AM
Just curious regarding the "Moonbeam" moniker - would anyone else here like to be forever judged by what they were in 1974?

Sgt Raven
03-20-2010, 11:06 AM
Just curious regarding the "Moonbeam" moniker - would anyone else here like to be forever judged by what they were in 1974?

Those that say JB hasn't changed, probably don't recall that at one time Reagan was a Democrat. :eek:

Corbin Dallas
03-20-2010, 8:51 PM
Meg doesn't carry any weight in my book. In fact, if she becomes CEO of CA, I'm going to take a serious look at why I'm in CA.

BigDogatPlay
03-20-2010, 8:53 PM
Those that say JB hasn't changed, probably don't recall that at one time Reagan was a Democrat. :eek:

But he was always a conservative. Reagan left the Democrat party because it moved sharply to the left. He wrote and spoke about it many times.

nitrofc
03-20-2010, 9:00 PM
But he was always a conservative. Reagan left the Democrat party because it moved sharply to the left. He wrote and spoke about it many times.

Wow....Didn't know that!
Was he a Democrat during his Acting career?

RomanDad
03-20-2010, 10:22 PM
I honestly have no Idea who Im going to vote for on this one.... I like Jerry Browns stated position of guns.... But everything else about him scares the crap out of me (and yeah... I lived through Brown 1 and I think it took about 20 years to fix everything he broke the first time).... I heard 3,000 people are FLEEING the state every week, for states that have some sort of economic hopes and a future. I cant see him making that situation BETTER.

Meg Whitman on the other hand just creeps me the hell out...

So I dont know other than- Will the last one out of the State turn off the lights?

RomanDad
03-20-2010, 10:27 PM
Wow....Didn't know that!
Was he a Democrat during his Acting career?

Yep.... He was also President of the Screen Actors Guild (read UNION). His famous quote is "I didnt leave the Democrat Party... The Democrat Party left me."

Walker
03-21-2010, 12:55 AM
Just curious regarding the "Moonbeam" moniker - would anyone else here like to be forever judged by what they were in 1974?

I wonder how many people even know why he has the moonbeam moniker.

gunsmith
03-21-2010, 1:50 AM
imo a vote for whitman is a vote for ebay.
i will never vote for ebay, they can go jump in the anti gun swamp they ( she) made.

gunsmith
03-21-2010, 1:53 AM
Ronnie outlawed open carry and had amnesty for illegals ( we were told it was a one time deal)
Jerry for gov 2012!

captn-tin
03-21-2010, 9:52 AM
just read in the sac bee this am that the seiu is going to back brown. how long can a PRO?GUN? dem last under preassure like the public unions can and will bring?

scr83jp
03-21-2010, 12:00 PM
Neither JB or Meg Whitman is likely to be any great shakes in a positive way across many social and economic issues. They have both drunk deeply of the Green Kool-Aid for instance, and quite likely either one would happily drive the state right off the cliff.

However, what we gunnies know, or think we do anyway, is that JB is likely a bit more disposed to our view of things than Meg's public position and past actions (as CEO of Ebay) have been relative to 2A.Were you here when JB became gov of CA? this state was in a mess from him and his appointees.

4D5auto
03-21-2010, 12:22 PM
Just curious regarding the "Moonbeam" moniker - would anyone else here like to be forever judged by what they were in 1974?

You mean like Bill Ayers and Obammy? Or Van Jones????

How soon Americans forget!

Brian617
03-25-2010, 9:48 PM
Here's a video from Jerry Brown for those who haven't seen it. I'm starting to like the guy a bit. I'll have to do a bit more research about his political career as governor, mayor, and attorney general. Out of the choices we have now, it looks like I'll be voting Brown.

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Here is one of those Hitler parody videos about Brown/Whittman

Hitler Finds Out Jerry Brown is Running for Governor
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"Just buy me a sun dress and put me in a Prius!" :D

barthel
03-25-2010, 11:02 PM
I have no love for Brown, but Whitman is a step in the WRONG direction. Her stance on the 2A is documented and it's not good. She has NO concern for gun rights or any repeal of our existing "lefty" gun laws. She's not even a RINO, she's a conservative democrat.

Unfortunately, the Republican party in Cali has done a piss poor job of fielding a quality candidate, and with how much money Whitman is spending on campaign ads Poizner doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell.

So, we can either vote for Brown and hope for the best or elect Whitman and hold on for an Obama style ride.

berto
03-25-2010, 11:19 PM
Just curious regarding the "Moonbeam" moniker - would anyone else here like to be forever judged by what they were in 1974?

I couldn't talk or walk and I crapped myself all day.

GoodEyeSniper
03-26-2010, 12:40 AM
Meg's spending spree on running this election is bad enough news, who's to say it won't continue as governor?

At least brown is more of a KNOWN enemy, if you know what I'm saying. We can all kind of expect what his moves will be in office, and I would bet that fiscally they're much more sound than Meg's.