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dakobster81
03-17-2010, 10:52 AM
Dear ladies and gentlemen of calguns:

I have to give a persuasive speech next week in my speech class, naturally I decided to persuade my audience to believe in the RKBA and be against bad gun control legislation. I have three main points to my speech:

1. It is our constitutional right
2. It does not deter crime
3. It is important for self defense

If you have any supporting evidence to these three points please let me know, I already have some good stuff but more wouldn't hurt. Also, everyone has to address in their speech counter arguments to their speech so my teacher helped me come up with some:

- Why do people need assault style weapons? (ak47,ar, etc)

- Address crimes of passion are more likely to happen with a gun present.

- Accidental shootings? I brought up you car accident thing, and just that they are accident so you cant just take away peoples rights because of others accidents, and she said well the difference is guns are designed to kill

- Suicide? Firearm suicide accounts for the most frequent form method suicide, I looked it up...56% of males use a gun, 31% of females. I will say the answer is not taking away rights but treatment and help from their friends, family, local churches, and the community.

Can anyone help me with some evidence to address these arguments, also if you guys know any good sites that can give me good information please direct me to them. Thanks Calguns I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

Apocalypsenerd
03-17-2010, 11:45 AM
Here's a link to a news story:

http://www.gunlaws.com/NationalAcademyStudy.htm

Basically some Clintonistas were unable to prove, using faulty research, that gun control reduces crime. Read up on it and the links to it.

Also do a search for:

Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature
of Self-Defense with a Gun

Look at that and related research. Basically shows that the AWB did not show a significant statistical reduction in violent crime.

THe library of congress did some research on it as well. They basically showed that draconian gun laws all over the world do not deter violent crime. The violence is most likely oriented on another portion of culture than gun ownership.

L84CABO
03-17-2010, 12:14 PM
Why do people need assault weapons?

1) 2A is there to enable us to defend our freedom whether threats to that freedom come from an oppresive foreign king or, God forbid, our own government. If a situation occurs where "we the people" need to defend our freedom, you would want them to be as well armed as possible

2) Similar to #1, In the event that we had to take on our own rogue government, that most likely would entail going up against the US Army or National Guard. For this reason the citizenry has a right to be armed equally. It helps ensure the balance of power which is fundamental to the main purpose of 2A

3) Legitimate defensive reasons. Site LA riots where shop keepers had to defend themselves and stores from angry mobs. Site home invasions by multiple assailants. Who knows what else the future holds for us

4) You may also want to point out that the elements that define an assualt weapon are largely cosmetic. There are plenty of hunting rifles that fire larger rounds, etc.

Crimes of passion and suicide - People are kidding themselves if they think that eliminating guns will stop these. People will just find another means...a kitchen knife, pills, etc.

Accidental Shootings - Simply put, we should hold the people accountable for their negligent actions, not the gun which is simply an inanimate object. By this same logic, why aren't we outlawing alcohol to protect society from people who drink and drive and kill people?

Peace and good luck...let us know how it goes!

putput
03-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Know your audience. If you're teacher is an anti, then just rail against guns "fer the children!". That how I got my first college A. It's easy when you tell them what they want to hear, otherwise you could get marked down "for not making your point". If they're neutral, then some of the above.

dakobster81
03-17-2010, 12:40 PM
Nerd and Cabo thanks for your info...will definitely use some of the stuff you gave me

the teacher is great, she is totally neutral when grading the speeches, also, we were allowed to give a survey to the audience to see where they stood prior to creating the speech, for the most part the class supported gun rights which was nice to see in a college class, though there were a few very antis and some in the middle

JDoe
03-17-2010, 12:45 PM
No Duty to Protect. The police have no duty to protect anyone. Google it.

Violent Crime Response. About 75% or three out of four times the police take longer than five minutes to arrive on scene for crimes including murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, simple assault, etc. (Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2007 Statistical Tables, page 115, Table 107)

Chemical (Pepper/Mace) Sprays may not always work. Some people are not affected by chemical sprays. I've seen people brush off pepper spray and keep on fighting.

Tasers are only good if you hit the attacker with both of the two prongs that are fired. If you have a single shot Taser (like the C2) and you have two or more attackers you have a problem. Some people may not be affected by a Taser and again I've seen one guy just pull the wires out and keep on fighting.

The Tueller Drill How many people think that they will have the time to get to their pepper spray or Taser and use it if their attacker is say 21 feet away?

Keys, Kubaton, etc. To effectively use a small weapon like this you have to get into the range of your attackers hands, feet and other weapons.

Accidental Shootings No such thing, there are only negligent shootings. If everyone followed the four rules there would be no negligent shootings.
1 All guns are always loaded!
2 Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy!
3 Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target!1
4 Always be sure of your target!

Suicide If someone is serious about committing suicide they might be more inclined to use a method that is more likely to succeed. If someone is determined to kill themselves not having a firearm is not going to stop them. Compare extremely low firearmed Japan to the U.S. at http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/

Hollywood is not reality. Most of the portrayals of handgun use in movies is inaccurate, misleading and just plain wrong. People don't fly backwards when they are shot. Most people survive being shot with a handgun. Incapacitation is not usually instant from a handgun shot, guns do not go off all by themselves, etc.

Truth Honest people wanting to discover the truth about guns would be well advised to examine carefully the so-called evidence that anti-gun organizations use. Look at how they arrive at their conclusions and ask if you would arrive at the same conclusions. Are the studies intellectually honest?

Assault Weapons Assault weapons are heavily restricted by the NFA and are very expensive. Many people confuse semi-automatic rifles like the AR15 and even .22 LR guns like the GSG with assault weapons.

Crimes of Passion According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/IPV-FactSheet-a.pdf) each year, women experience about 4.8 million intimate partner related physical assaults and rapes. Men are the victims of about 2.9 million intimate partner related physical assaults. IPV [Intimate partner violence] resulted in 1,544 deaths in 2004. Of these deaths, 25% were males and 75% were females.

When seconds count and the police are minutes away, what can a 100 lb woman use to defend herself effectively against a 220 lb man?

Common Sense Most people have many potential weapons in their homes and around them all the time. A gun is no more likely to be used as a weapon than a knife, baseball bat or other heavy or pointed object. Also a self defense gun is not designed to kill but to provide the absolute best tool to survive a worst case situation and that does not include killing anyone. Remember we shoot to stop the threat. Once the threat is stopped we must stop shooting.

Milsurp Collector
03-17-2010, 12:51 PM
also if you guys know any good sites that can give me good information please direct me to them. Thanks Calguns I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

This site will be helpful to you http://www.guncite.com/

Also, read this article Why Liberals Should Love The Second Amendment (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/21/19133/5152/392/496931). Since many of your classmates and perhaps your teacher are probably of the liberal persuasion it will explain why they should support the 2nd Amendment in terms they can relate to. It also answers some of the common arguments against the 2nd Amendment (it was for the National Guard, the Founding Fathers never imagined AK-47s, etc.)

POLICESTATE
03-17-2010, 12:52 PM
As for so-called accidental shootings they are still outnumbered by deaths as a result of vehicular accidents.

And as far as kids in the home are concerned, I believe the figure is your kids are 13 times more likely to drown in a swimming pool on your property than by shooting themselves with a gun on your property. Check out: http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/are-you-ready-for-swimming-pool-season/

Nice graph in this one: http://www.anesi.com/accdeath.htm

You should vet your sources as much as possible too, don't be like the brady bunch.

SJgunguy24
03-17-2010, 2:34 PM
If gun control truly deterred crime, then why do the cities and states with the toughest gun laws have the highest crime rate?

Assault Weapon is a play off a Nazi coined term Sturmgewehr or Storm Rifle.
Also that word was devised to classify a type of firearm based on looks and nothing else. Get a picture of a Mini 14 with all the EBR bolt on crap, and show a picture of Grandpa's ranch rifle.

I would ask who would like a motorcycle mechanic to perform open heart surgery on their parents. Essentially that's what the people who write these gun control laws are doing. They know nothing what so ever about firearms and yet they claim to know enough to write laws about them.

I would work in that most "anything" control laws are racist in nature. And that in fact it was WW2 and Korean war veterens (Deacons for Defense) taking up arms to escort blacks to vote after being threatend with violence if they did vote.

One thing that I find very effective. When debating I'll walk up close and I'll ask them this.
I break into your home, the police won't be there for 5 minutes. My intention is to rape and kill you. What are you going to do to stop me? How much can happen in 5 minutes?

That usally gets a few seconds of silence.

Then I ask, what could you do if you had a gun?

That hits pretty hard.

Aldemar
03-17-2010, 2:43 PM
You may want to mention the Heller decision and how the re-establishment of SOME of the 2A rights there has reduced violent crime.

I know there was a thread on this but I can't find it.

Pyrodyne
03-17-2010, 2:52 PM
One thing that I find very effective. When debating I'll walk up close and I'll ask them this.
I break into your home, the police won't be there for 5 minutes. My intention is to rape and kill you. What are you going to do to stop me? How much can happen in 5 minutes?

That usally gets a few seconds of silence.

Then I ask, what could you do if you had a gun?

That hits pretty hard.

Well worded and played. For a crowd, perhaps just lean forward a bit and get really serious.:43:

Let's not forget that many disasters occurred in gun-free zones simply because no-one present was able to defend themselves.

jdberger
03-17-2010, 3:09 PM
First - you can't unring the bell.

Guns exist. Bad guys are going to get them. Are you going to deny my grandmother the means to protect herself from someone 30 years younger and 100 lbs heavier just because you think only bad guys have guns?

Second, even if you COULD unring the bell, destroy all firearms, would you want to (this may take quite a bit of time to explain)?

Firearms marked the end of feudalism - the end of the Dark Ages.

No longer could the strong easily intimidate the weak. The noble born, with their advantages of wealth could afford to practice at arms their entire lives. Peasants had to work for a living.

With the advent of firearms, the lowly shopkeeper suddenly had the same killing power as the best trained knight. With this power to defend himself and his fellow peasants and merchants he gained political power. He could demand "rights" and "freedoms".

The gun made modern democracy.

For more - specifically regarding arguments FOR gun control and their deft refutation, please look into the work of Don Kates (http://www.google.com/search?q=don+kates&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8&rlz=). Don's a friend of Calguns, a reknowned civil rights lawer, a scholar and a gentleman. Here's his article, "Gun Control: A Realistic Assessment (http://catb.org/~esr/guns/gun-control.html)".

SickofSoCal
03-17-2010, 3:18 PM
Be sure to stress that it is NOT "Gun Control" (their term), it is Civilian Disarmament.

Stealth
03-17-2010, 3:30 PM
1) Who is your audience?

This really decides on your hooks. A good persuasive speech is one that connects to the needs of your audience.

Ask - who are my audience? What are the biggest needs right now? How does the 2nd amendment connect them to these needs?


2) Small Ancedotes/Stories.

Don't tell them why the 2nd amend is important -- Show them. Find that good small quick story/headline. Show them how it is important from many examples. If you can connect them to the point above it will be a strong speech.

Good luck :)

Cobrafreak
03-17-2010, 3:33 PM
I too did a pro-gun speech in my speech class back in the day (1994) and I talked about how during the L.A. riots the city was being burned down by it's own inhabitants but were skipping the buildings with the owners on the rooftops holding scoped rifles. As far as I know they did not need to fire an aimed shot at an aggressor. The power of freedom manifested.

POLICESTATE
03-17-2010, 3:34 PM
Here's some other big-time gun control proponents, I mean BIG TIME:

Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Mao Tse Tung

yelohamr
03-17-2010, 3:39 PM
Don't forget to mention...zombies.

ldivinag
03-17-2010, 6:09 PM
i would start it out like this. first dress up like abraham lincoln or something...


well... my fellow americans, today, we are facing in our country, the greatest fear each and everyone of us did not want to face.

as our forefathers have brought to us, we have the right to live our lives in freedom. freedom from those who wish take away, the most basic of all human rights: the right to live.

as patrick henry once said "give me liberty or give me death." you know why he said that. if we let those who wants to take our freedom... our most basic freedom of all, you might as take my life since it would be a life not worth living...

dakobster81
03-18-2010, 1:50 AM
awesome stuff guys, I cant wait to use it!!!

$P-Ritch$
03-18-2010, 9:06 AM
+1, Tag

I'm using the same subject for my persuasive speech due at the end of the semester.

Glock-matic
03-18-2010, 8:58 PM
I am envious of the kids growing up today, they look to a future, a bright future that engenders hope. Hope that they, unlike their predecessors, won't be oppressed and will be able to own and bear arms as out forefathers envisioned when the bill of rights were inked. So important is the RKBA, it came second only to the rights to free speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of assembly. I look forward to telling my grandchildren how I once lived in a time where a pretentious elitist few tried to disarm America, and how Americans stood up and said, "No More!". How stupid arguments such as collective right held sway for far to long.

Enjoy your time in college, and good luck with your speeches; but, do not loose perspective, this is one of the few moments in American History where the Supreme Court has made such a difference in affirming citizen's rights.

For the first time in 20 years, I feel hope, hope that sane, law abiding people will no longer have to fear oppression from the state, nor the criminal element. Here we take our first steps, much like Neil Armstrong on the moon. Here we launch a new direction in American history. And yours will the be the first generation in a long time to truly watch it unfold.

oaklander
03-18-2010, 9:39 PM
Some topics:

RACISM

Most people do not know that much current gun control is rooted in racism:

http://www.google.com/search?q=gun+control+racist&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

There is no such thing as an "assault weapon" - that is a term made up by anti-gun politicians to describe guns that look "scary" to them

NO SUCH THING AS AN ASSAULT RIFLE

There is such a thing as an "assault rifle" - Sturmgewehr - I think that term was coined by the Germans in WWII for select fire carbines that shoot an intermediate round. It does not apply to anything that normal citizens can get in California.

Semi-auto AR's, AK's, etc are not "assault weapons" nor are they "assault rifles." They are simply semi-auto rifles, just like any other semi-auto rifle. Some call them "sport-utility rifles" since they are good for varmint hunting, home defense, target shooting, and competition.

SPORT UTILITY RIFLES SHOOT UNDERPOWERED ROUNDS

Both the AK and the AR shoot a round that is LESS powerful than a standard "hunting" round.

The scary "Uzi" that you see in movies shoots a 9mm pistol round that is less powerful than most rifle rounds.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEMI AND FULL AUTO

It is very hard to buy an "automatic weapon" in California, and even in states that allow it, you still need to get an expensive permit from the Federal Government. Most rifles that you see are semi-automatic, that means that they only shoot one round every time you pull the trigger.

HARD TO GET A GUN

In California, you have top wait 10 days and go through a background check - you can't just walk into a store and buy a gun.