Ferranto says up to Attorney General now

[thorium]

Hello,
This post doesn't have much new information, but it is legit.

My best friend knows Dale Ferranto personally. He spoke to him recently (this weekend) in person. He says that the list has been worked up and its the Attorney General's decision on whether to add the receivers to the list. He has been attending the gunshows with ~10 DOJ agents and been seeing all the lower receiver sales. Ferranto works in LA by the way, and flies to Sacramento.

Who knows what the Attorney General will decide to do -- he is going to realize that lising the receivers is in effect allowing lots more assault weapon registrations, where as if he defers to the legislature they might be able to work something else out and never update the list (i.e., ban AR15 by the dimensions of the lower receiver instead of make/model).

If I hear more information through the grapevine, I will pass it on.

[ohsmily]

interesting...
Lockyer seems pretty predictable and if it is in his hands at this point, then I would anticipate a ban so he can make it appear to the politicians that he is "doing his job" and curbing the influx of the EVIL lower receivers.

[6172crew]

The AG has his head up his ***, they cant make me a felon after I have owned the lower for 6months. Just update the list assclown.:D

Thanks for the heads up BTW.:)

[MaxQ]

Thanks for the info thorium!

I'm relieved to see this wasn't the 8,000th joke thread...

[tenpercentfirearms]

Why do you guys get on here and mock the AG when you know he has access to these discussions? Just keep your mouth shut and let nature run its course. Why stir up a hornet's nest?

[thorium]

Thanks for the info thorium!

I'm relieved to see this wasn't the 8,000th joke thread...

No problem! I'm glad my post was taken seriously as it was my first post here (I frequent glocktalk.com and ar15.com a lot).

I will keep on my friend to get more info and pass it along here. I would give more details as to my friend and relation to Ferranto, etc but in case DOJ reads this I wouldn't want to do that to protect my friends identity.

[CALI-gula]

Why do you guys get on here and mock the AG when you know he has access to these discussions? Just keep your mouth shut and let nature run its course. Why stir up a hornet's nest?

I second that: and what is this desire to offer blueprints on how to go about it, especially in the regular forum: don't we disagree with their designing of such bans? Speculation is OK as to when this might happen; fortune telling is fun. But for Pete's sake, if you have an idea of how it could logically hold water, tell someone off the site, send your buddy a PM, or at the minimum, post limited inference within the .223 lower discussions. We here understand guns and will understand your indications. It also seems like the new people to the site are so willing to do as I have described above, to display their prowess in the rumor mill - I hope Ramon becomes more aggressive with moving such posts to their "proper" locations.

There is no need to prove your irreverence, intelligence, or that you are "in the know" by offering help to the DOJ. Look, they made mistakes with Roberti Roos, SB-23, and even AB-50; this was mainly because they did not have clue, nor access to something like Calguns.net at the time (except for AB50), nor any tangible knowledge in firearms. Do you think Bill Lockyer could assemble an AR in under an hour? Methinks not.

Let them make the mistakes on their own. We are smarter than them when it comes to firearms, but they may be smarter in divisive politics - don't let them use politics against you. :rolleyes:

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[FreshTapCoke]

10TH AMENDMENT, I know we're all anxious and jumpy, but there's no reason to be so harsh and condescending towards him. He's a firearm enthusiast like the rest of us. Let's treat him with a little more respect regardless of if he's telling the truth or not? Please?

Times like these call for solidarity

[Juniper Kid]

thorium wrote:
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Others here may disagree with me, but I smell a rat.


I agree with you 10th amendment, I've been following these threads closely, does this thread ring a bell? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=27593

STFU people, learn to keep your f******* mouth shut....

Oh, by the way, Hi Mr. DOJ man :D

[tcrpe]

It's always possible that the bureaucrats will go with the "do nothing" option, in which case all these receivers will have to be built out as non-assault weapons.

I don't believe they have that depth of thought, though.

[phish]

Ramon, time to start sniffing IP addresses! :D

[Juniper Kid]

Yep, agreed.... :D

[50 Freak]

Ramon, time to start sniffing IP addresses!

Doesn't work, I know for a fact the DOJ has "clean" computers. They have a couple that are on a seperate line from the DOJ and pretty much are not traceable and not in anyway affiliated with the DOJ.

They use those to cruise websites to check up on things.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Settle down. If he is a DOJ plant, what in the heck is the point? Why would a DOJ plant come on here and make such a benign report? Who would he be trying to budy up to? You guys need to relax. The DOJ already reads everything we do on here. Big deal. The other thing is getting all bent out of shape and going off on this guy and calling him a DOJ plant is just plain stupid. The only reason you would have to get all upset and bent out of shape about it is if you were doing something illegal and you had a reason not to buddy up with a DOJ agent. So what are you saying? You are doing something illegal and you won't be conned by this DOJ agent into telling them what it is? :confused:

Just relax and rest assured they are monitoring everything. Hell, I am surprised your tin foil hat isn't on a little tighter because you missed an important fact. No one has actually seen me for a couple weeks and you are assuming I wasn't assasinated by DOJ agents and they have taken over my online identity to secretly feed information onto the web all as a part of their sinister plan to do whatever it is that secret DOJ agents to on the web as part of their larger goal to destroy your rights. :rolleyes:

The members of this board talk so much that the DOJ has no need to buddy up to anyone. We broadcast every thought we have right here on this public forum for them to read at their liesure. Give it a rest.

[CALI-gula]

Just relax and rest assured they are monitoring everything. Hell, I am surprised your tin foil hat isn't on a little tighter because you missed an important fact. No one has actually seen me for a couple weeks and you are assuming I wasn't assassinated by DOJ agents and they have taken over my online identity to secretly feed information onto the web all as a part of their sinister plan to do whatever it is that secret DOJ agents to on the web as part of their larger goal to destroy your rights. :rolleyes:

HAH! I knew it! I was just relating my suspicions of this to Elvis and Jim (aka Mr. Mojo Risin'). They both agreed, but want a second opinion from our contact within Bilderberg (we call him "Deep DROS"), because Jim (aka Mr. Mojo Risin') does not believe that you (Mr. Lockyer) have actually assassinated tenpercentfirearms; we believe you are holding tenpercentfirearms on planet Tralfamadore with the actress Montana Wildhack.

...Or you could be dead. So it goes.


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[Pthfndr]

Others here may disagree with me, but I smell a rat.

You're acting like an ***. Take a walk and go calm down.

Everyone makes a first post. Some people have been reading this forum since inception and just recently started posting.

I've personally met people over the years at group shoots who've been reading Arfcom since day one and never made a single post.

Lack of posts, or quanity of posts does not make a person better or worse than anyone else.

[brainbugnj]

Lets all relax... The AG whether he has the docs in his hands or not will need to make some executive decisions... there are two things you do in business/goverment short term and long term... YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING sitting on the list will make the DOJ look like a fool (1000's of AW ready lower, which were purchased for the intent of 10rd rifles still won't go over well in the NEWS).

Short Term: Add the receivers to the list
Long Term: Strap In for the ride, sinch the belt on Semi-Auto rifles or some other type of control.

The AG will be chastised if he doesn't not move according to the above its simple...

[NeoWeird]

In all honesty, I like to come into these topics from time to time and just read the stupidity that follows. Seriously. But I feel compelled to post in this one.

1. Sometimes I wonder how often the DOJ, if at all, really monitors this site. Think about it: how many websites are out there, that if they were monitoring them, they would need to monitor them? I can tell you right now this isn't the only one. It would take hours to catch up on the content from when a person left work to when they arrived the next day per each message board leaving at the very least several people to do that job. It's probably, if anything, more of a passive searching and they come back here from time to time (if ever) and I wouldn't be surprised if topics were made, discussed, died, and purged before they were even read. I like to think that all of those "screw the DOJ; hello DOJ Man!" comments just go completely unnoticed.

2. Who gives a flying rats *** what the topic creator does, or if even is telling the truth? Did his information really harm you in any way? Did it rock your boat of security so much that you need to counter-attack to save yourself? You act like just because he is new he has to be a rat. I'll tell you this right now; you're a fish out of water if you are trying to say you aren't new either. You aren't coming off as some mighty crusader against evil gun laws like you think you are; you're coming off as a prentious asshat and you sound very childish.

3. This whole thing has been going on at a public level for what, maybe 2 months now, yet somehow those 2 months have made you an expert on what the DOJ plans to do? The sad thing is that 95% of you had nothing to go on when this all started, and you were the new guy who needed help and someone helped you, but when it comes time to do the same for someone else you are either too busy or too paranoid. That's bull****. Even after I had my receiver in hand I was still ACTIVELY trying to help people find lowers and FFLs. But you want to burn him right where he stands just because he has something new to say. Well you know what, in this world you are either for us or against us, and right now you are attacking one of us; so what does that tell you?

4. I've done nothing illegal. I own several receivers and I am breaking no laws. So who cares if a DOJ comes in here and talks to me to see if they can get information. They can come to my house and sit on my porch if they want, I'll even answer their questions. I've got nothing to hide because I haven't broken the law, and if they try to change that so I have then they will be required to either let us register them or buy them back; either way I have time to do what is legally required of me. If you have reason to be jumpy and scared of the DOJ, then that is your problem, and I'll tell you right now if the DOJ was reading this they wouldn't say "Someone paraoid person attacking random people thinking they are the DOJ, they are probably ok"; they would be marking your information down as someone to check up on if they need to check up on people.

5. Lastly, this one is for the creator of the topic. Since no one else said it: Welcome to the boards Thorium. Even if you work with the DOJ, welcome. **** all the people who will give you a hard time in this or any other thread. I personally liked reading your information, it gave me the notion that things were actually being worked on and not some random "I think they will because..." crap. So if one person took something from your topic then it was worth it, and I took something from it. So welcome to the boards and good luck getting what you want before any action is taken (if any is at all); and please don't get discouraged by any douche on the boards. They are aplenty in a time and place where it is just not needed and it only hurts what we are trying to do.

[Bling Bling 2.0]

Just BE COOL (and I'm not talking about that crappy movie).

I think we should keep our traps shut with this and sit on the sidelines. There is nothing that our worrying will do for us except divide us. We all know what we want to see, we don't need to speculate on how or why and confuse people that may not understand. You NEVER know what will happen. Aliens/China/Isamic Fundamentalists/Venezeulans/Squirrels can invade tomorrow and no one will care about the "list".

If you told me in 1987 while I was watching Predator that Jesse Ventura AND Arnold Schwartzenegger would both be governers I would have said you from some fantasy future.

Just remember for every 1 of us there are at least 2 anti's in this crappy state. The anti's own this state because they feed on the fearful and the foolish. Think and be patient for opportunities, they will come.

I'm sure there were PLENTY of people that DECIDED not to register their AW's back in 2000 so that they weren't on anyone's radar. I'm not saying that was right, but they get to keep whatever that have as long as they keep their mouth shut.

[artherd]

Who knows what the Attorney General will decide to do -- he is going to realize that lising the receivers is in effect allowing lots more assault weapon registrations, where as if he defers to the legislature they might be able to work something else out and never update the list (i.e., ban AR15 by the dimensions of the lower receiver instead of make/model).

Good luck to 'em, we'll just tear that apart in court like we did SB23.

[Rascal]

Welcome to the site, and thank you for the insight.
I agree with NeoWeird, everyone needs to chill out a bit and just let things happen. We also need to remember that we are all in this together.
This is no time to be fighting with each other.
PEACE!

[Chaingun]

Why do you guys get on here and mock the AG when you know he has access to these discussions? Just keep your mouth shut and let nature run its course. Why stir up a hornet's nest?

Let's keep the window of opportunity open for others.

[shopkeep]

AG Bill Lockyer's focus isn't devoted solely to Firearms. Regulation of firearms is only a blip on the DOJ radar. There's a much larger picture and even though this is an incredibly exciting moment to us, this is simply procedure to them. Put together a list, forward it to AG, get AG's signature on it.

Bill is too busy with other important things, like his campaign for state treasurer. Keep in mind that because these lowers get confiscated upon our demise the longest any of them will ever be around as "Assault Weapons" is about another 40 years or so anyways. The list is getting published so get ready to register or remove 'em from the state.

[Bling Bling 2.0]

Keep in mind that because these lowers get confiscated upon our demise the longest any of them will ever be around as "Assault Weapons" is about another 40 years or so anyways.

You mean they can't be buried with me?? Let's hope 50 or 60 years in my case. I was lucky enough to turn 21 in 1999 and have a few months to purchase AW's before the iron curtain fell... before the dark times.

[BigAL]

I was lucky enough to turn 21 in 1999 and have a few months to purchase AW's before the iron curtain fell... before the dark times.

You only had to be 18 to purchase rifles. I turned 18 in Oct just before the ban and managed to buy 2 lowers.

[zatoh]

Originally Posted by shopkeep
Keep in mind that because these lowers get confiscated upon our demise the longest any of them will ever be around as "Assault Weapons" is about another 40 years or so anyways.

... not unless I am a resident of another state..... Then if they still decide that they want them then I (or my lawyer) will sue for $$$$ for violating my private property rights and or violation of interstate commerce. It's a wonder the state does not get sued for them demanding surrender of private property. That part of the law should be ammended at least.

Can they claim eminent domain?

[Bling Bling 2.0]

You only had to be 18 to purchase rifles. I turned 18 in Oct just before the ban and managed to buy 2 lowers.

You're right, I was trying to figure out why I needed to be be 21 at the time, but one of my AW's was a pistol.

[50 Freak]

IMPORTANT DOJ UPDATE!!!!!!!

My cousin's mailman's uncle on his sister's side is friends with a guy that cleans the office of the guy who does the drycleaning for a guy that works next door to the DOJ every Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Well the word is that the DOJ will try to get everything under the sun and they have a pretty ingenious way of classifying an AW.

Any object that is bigger than a mouse and smaller than a house and has holes in it will now be classified as a AW and listed in the upcoming AW ban list.:D

[bwiese]

Any object that is bigger than a mouse and smaller than a house and has holes in it will now be classified as a AW and listed in the upcoming AW ban list.

Jeez, I better DROS now.

[leelaw]

IMPORTANT DOJ UPDATE!!!!!!!
Any object that is bigger than a mouse and smaller than a house and has holes in it will now be classified as a AW and listed in the upcoming AW ban list.:D

Hmm.. holes, eh?

What about slots? :D

[50 Freak]

That's why I took the Mrs and Jr to the FFL to get them DROSed today.

Gotta make sure they get on the list otherwise I may get them confiscated.

Hummmmm, on second thought....No wife and kid....strip joints here I come.:eek: :eek:

[phish]

Hmm.. holes, eh?

What about slots? :D

Fonzi + water skis = thread's current status :p

wow, looks like the "drive by poster" never bothered coming back to defend himself... :rolleyes:

[bluebaron]

AG Bill Lockyer's focus isn't devoted solely to Firearms. Regulation of firearms is only a blip on the DOJ radar. There's a much larger picture and even though this is an incredibly exciting moment to us, this is simply procedure to them. Put together a list, forward it to AG, get AG's signature on it.

Bill is too busy with other important things, like his campaign for state treasurer. Keep in mind that because these lowers get confiscated upon our demise the longest any of them will ever be around as "Assault Weapons" is about another 40 years or so anyways. The list is getting published so get ready to register or remove 'em from the state.

I never thought of it quite like that. Now feeling my own mortality

[DaleFerranto]

Better yet, convince your "best friend" to persuade his "personal" friend Ferranto to tell us himself what the hell they have planned regarding this situation so all of the good people here can know how to comport their conduct with their jack-assed bureaucratic regulations?

Until the California legislature passes a new bill banning the ownership of any metallic object with sufficient material density to inflict blunt trauma to a living being, I'm going to confiscate all off-list AR lower receivers, starting with yours. Name and address please.

:D

[stator]

AG Bill Lockyer's focus isn't devoted solely to Firearms. Regulation of firearms is only a blip on the DOJ radar. There's a much larger picture and even though this is an incredibly exciting moment to us, this is simply procedure to them. Put together a list, forward it to AG, get AG's signature on it.

Bill is too busy with other important things, like his campaign for state treasurer. Keep in mind that because these lowers get confiscated upon our demise the longest any of them will ever be around as "Assault Weapons" is about another 40 years or so anyways. The list is getting published so get ready to register or remove 'em from the state.

The AG has eight divisions, one of which is Firearms. It is really more than a blip but not one of the major divisions. Appropriations (authorization for budget and money for this division started in the late nineties. Probably due to Perata and other gun grabbers. Disclaimer, he really has 10 divisions but 2 are administrative overhead (secretaries and such) which are the real blips on his radar.

[NoTime2Shoot]

I
1. Sometimes I wonder how often the DOJ, if at all, really monitors this site. Think about it: how many websites are out there, that if they were monitoring them, they would need to monitor them? I can tell you right now this isn't the only one. It would take hours to catch up on the content from when a person left work to when they arrived the next day per each message board leaving at the very least several people to do that job. It's probably, if anything, more of a passive searching and they come back here from time to time (if ever) and I wouldn't be surprised if topics were made, discussed, died, and purged before they were even read. I like to think that all of those "screw the DOJ; hello DOJ Man!" comments just go completely unnoticed.



I agreed with your entire post, except for this part. Remember, they are government employees, driving a keyboard for a living. I am quite sure they get bored with craigslist, just like the rest of white collar America. :D

[svenu]

Tons of activist liberals in our state. This news is probably leaking to THEM too... if I were a lefty, I'd go post something like post #1 to get everyone upset and possibly discourage others from DROSing.

Just sayin


/this thread jumped the shark about two pages back

[plastidip]

I agree with you 10th amendment, I've been following these threads closely, does this thread ring a bell? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=27593

STFU people, learn to keep your f******* mouth shut....

Oh, by the way, Hi Mr. DOJ man :D


Yep, that's it... I'm a plant... For asking why they've decided to ban guns by brand.:eek:

Kid... why do you just shut the f__k up? I'm staying out of the legal forums from now on. If you really think any of this is super secret stuff I have no interest listening to you fondle your decoder rings.

-Liam

[shopkeep]

The DOJ has an entire legal team of attorneys working around the clock no doubt in conjunction with several of the best attorneys in the state that work for the legislature. Whatever we can dream up in here in terms of ban schemes, they've already dreamed up something 10 times as clever.

[CowtownBallin]

I don't think they're that smart. Most of them don't even understand current laws, ie Wilson Tactical situation

[blacklisted]

I don't think they're that smart. Most of them don't even understand current laws, ie Wilson Tactical situation

That's just the agents and desk clerks, I'm sure the attorneys are much more legally savvy. ;)

It was an attorney who first admitted that this whole thing was legal, and they did so while agents were still saying it was illegal and making threats.

[Glasshat]

If I worked for the DOJ I sure as hell would not be wasting my time trolling on this forum for criminals. Blow-hard tinfoilers yes, criminals no.

[CowtownBallin]

That's just the agents and desk clerks, I'm sure the attorneys are much more legally savvy. ;)

It was an attorney who first admitted that this whole thing was legal, and they did so while agents were still saying it was illegal and making threats.

I was talking about DOJ in general, I'm sure they've got some great snake lawyers fumbling through papers

[thorium]

Dale, Dale, Dale. You behave yourself now. ;)

phish:

I wondered when that observation was going to be made.

svenu:

That's one of the scenarios that I was thinking was the case.

Hey man, I was just trying to share what I thought was some useful info. Its funny you wasted all that time typing harassing replies calling me a troll. I have no post history here, but look at ar15.com / glocktalk.com under the same username and I have a history.

My initial post is all true, and you can believe it or not. But even if you don't believe it, your an idiot if you automatically assume I'm here as part of the DOJ or any other interest.

[artherd]

I don't think they're that smart. Most of them don't even understand current laws, ie Wilson Tactical situation

Truth is somewhere in the middle.

DOJ attorneys finally did understand the legal situation of the unlisted lowers in general, but not untill I sent 5 separate letters over 2 years spelling it out.

That said, they did their due diligence and agreed with me in the end.

Typical of all bureaucracies, they plod along at a cautions pace most of the time. There are good minds there, but for every smart Deputy AG, there's ten idoit clerks.

[CowtownBallin]

Yeah, you're right, gross generalizations are rarely accurate. Given the construction of our system, I'm sure things are going just fine. At least there's a process in place. Imagine if it was like the Soviet system, where you had to grease some official up with "private contributions" to get what you need done.

[artherd]

Yeah, you're right, gross generalizations are rarely accurate. Given the construction of our system, I'm sure things are going just fine. At least there's a process in place. Imagine if it was like the Soviet system, where you had to grease some official up with "private contributions" to get what you need done.
You mean like Sean Penn?

[JALLEN]

Maybe someone ought to write a letter complainig about the buildup of these dangerous AWs in the hands of irresponsible ordinary citizens, and send it to our precious Senators, as the opinion of an angry consituent demanding that something be done about it. After all the Supreme Court has said that to ban these hideously dangerous, evil devices, the AG must include them on a list! After listening to Ms. Feinswine babble on during the Alito hearings/debate, and how these are issues that concern her, maybe she :mad: would get on the horn to Wild Bill :eek: and get him to DO SOMETHING!

[6172crew]

I wonder if the list will include other firearms and not just AK/AR's

Has anyone touched on this. Any chance the Fal's, HK clones making it on the list?

[shopkeep]

Evidently some people here still don't get it. The DOJ isn't sitting around deciding whether or not these are going to be added to the list and declared Assault Weapons. As far as they're concerned these ALREADY ARE Assault Weapons. Thus, the appropriate action to take is to add them to the list.

[Gunner1]

Thank you shopkeep, I have been sitting here biting my lower lip trying to figure out what I was missing. It appears that we are of the same thinking.
That or maybe I can read.:rolleyes:

Gunner

[C.G.]

You mean like Sean Penn?

Yup, only God, politicians and actors get CCWs in California (and maybe a few LEOs), on the other hand, I am not so sure about God.

[stator]

You guys have to understand there are two sides to the DOJ office... politicians and bureaucrats. Most are bureaucrats who love to see regulations of guns and not a total ban. They want growth opportunities such as salary raises, promotions, more people reporting to them. A total ban would not be favorable to this desire, but neither does going back to pre-89 conditions either. I think they like the status-quo the way it is and the confusion that comes from it. More growth in regulations equals more growth in career opportunities.

The politicians are few starting with the AG. He is an elected official and a career politican who is facing term-limits. He decisions are based upon desires completely different... obtaining contributions and votes. There are the upper-level bureaucrats who are working on the transition to elective office as well. Although these are few, they are on the top and felt by all.

This should go a long way in explaining their behavior.

[RRangel]

I wonder if the list will include other firearms and not just AK/AR's

Has anyone touched on this. Any chance the Fal's, HK clones making it on the list?

The DOJ can only include AR/AK series.

[6172crew]

The DOJ can only include AR/AK series.

If he added a DSA "all" (we all know that doesnt cut the mustard) why couldnt you reg a Fal upper?

What stops him from nameing other series? I have read the FAQ and I just dont put it past the guy.:confused:

Im sure you guys are right but would be pissed off if I didnt have a SW5 in my safe and they called it.:mad:

[RRangel]

If he added a DSA "all" (we all know that doesnt cut the mustard) why couldnt you reg a Fal upper?

What stops him from nameing other series? I have read the FAQ and I just dont put it past the guy.:confused:

Im sure you guys are right but would be pissed off if I didnt have a SW5 in my safe and they called it.:mad:

Simply put because of Kasler "series" is confined to AR/AK.
For anything not in the AR/AK series the AG needs to file a motion in a superior court. An FAL is not AR/AK series therefore it can't be done administratively. There is a different procedure for adding other firearms to the banned list.

[Glasshat]

Simply put because of Kasler "series" is confined to AR/AK.
For anything not in the AR/AK series the AG needs to file a motion in a superior court. An FAL is not AR/AK series therefore it can't be done administratively. There is a different procedure for adding other firearms to the banned list.

This is all true, but keep in mind, the proceedure to add other firearms is not difficult or time consuming.
Also keep in mind I'm just repeating a comment I read on another thread written by Bill W. (yes that Bill W.) who really is the guy who should address this.

[RRangel]

The person asking is not asking how long it will take. He is asking about AR/AK series specifically which do not include the FAL. Folks the FAQ is up there for a reason please read it.

This is all true, but keep in mind, the proceedure to add other firearms is not difficult or time consuming.
Also keep in mind I'm just repeating a comment I read on another thread written by Bill W. (yes that Bill W.) who really is the guy who should address this.

[bwiese]

This is all true, but keep in mind, the proceedure to add other firearms is not difficult or time consuming.
Also keep in mind I'm just repeating a comment I read on another thread written by Bill W. (yes that Bill W.) who really is the guy who should address this.

The PC 12276.5 court proceeding for other guns may be 'relatively' easy but it certainly is less easy than just adding new AR/AK 'series' members to the list.

The DOJ can itself update the Kasler list for ARs and AKs ONLY, without getting anyone else involved.

(Actually, they have to forward the list to the Secretary of State's office so it can be posted to the Calif Code of Regulation sec 979.11, but this is trivial and the AW law specifically exempts this stuff from going thru lots of funky administrative procedures that new regulations often require - Sec 11340, etc.).

What the DOJ can also do is go to court and get more 'series' declared - instead of banning Imbel FALs, DSA FALs, Coonan FALs, etc. they could request a ban on FAL 'series' - and given the 'copies and duplicates' stuff in the AW law, the court would likely enact the ban.

After a new series is declared, then the DOJ can add members to this FAL series themselves without further court intervention.

But this will all be addressed separately and later than the AR/AK list updates.

[MaxQ]

Something to keep in mind for the future:

If the DOJ uses the superior court procedure outlined in 12276.5, and the court grants a temporary suspension of FALs (or whatever firearms the DOJ identifies), there won't be a chance to purchase any of the suspended firearms. The temporary ban will go straight to a permanent ban if the court finds them to be AWs.

[bwiese]

If the DOJ uses the superior court procedure outlined in 12276.5, and the court grants a temporary suspension of FALs (or whatever firearms the DOJ identifies), there won't be a chance to purchase any of the suspended firearms. The temporary ban will go straight to a permanent ban if the court finds them to be AWs.

Correct. At least there is a chance that the DOJ does some preannouncement before the Calif Code of Regulation is updated and that there is some small 'window of opportunity'.

[Glasshat]

The person asking is not asking how long it will take. He is asking about AR/AK series specifically which do not include the FAL. Folks the FAQ is up there for a reason please read it.

Sorry - my mistake.

I think the best thing for me to do is stop reading these threads about what and when the DOJ might or might not do about this or that lower or upper, before my explodes for the last time!!!!

(Right hand on the Bible) As God is my witness, I will no longer read these threads unless I see "90-Day Period Has Begun" in the title.

I feel better already...

[artherd]

What the DOJ can also do is go to court and get more 'series' declared - instead of banning Imbel FALs, DSA FALs, Coonan FALs, etc. they could request a ban on FAL 'series' - and given the 'copies and duplicates' stuff in the AW law, the court would likely enact the ban.

After a new series is declared, then the DOJ can add members to this FAL series themselves without further court intervention.

But this will all be addressed separately and later than the AR/AK list updates.

I would think (hope?) that even a State Supreme Court would decide that adding a new 'series' is outside even it's own authority, requireing new legislation.

[bwiese]

I would think (hope?) that even a State Supreme Court would decide that adding a new 'series' is outside even it's own authority, requireing new legislation.

Nope. There were 2 'series' already in original Roberti-Roos.

Given they were there, that would likely allow other 'series' to be declared/added - especially since the 'copies and duplicates' argument to the court conducting the 12276.5 add-on proceeding would readily hold. The DOJ would list a half-dozen or more examples of FAL series members and say "there are others besides these we are just hearing of..."

In addition, Kasler and Harrott confirmed DOJ had authority to add on to AR/AK list because of 'series' - not just because of any AR/AK specific attributes. They had no bias pro/con any kind of gun and were just resolving language issues.

Hell, the judges might even be glad to declare series to keep their workload down.

[bg]

Why do you guys get on here and mock the AG when you know he has access to these discussions? Just keep your mouth shut and let nature run its course. Why stir up a hornet's nest?
AMEN. Listen with the murders that just happened
at the Post Office here in Cal, you can bet your bottom
dollar the DOJ is looking HARD at everything about now.

You can also bet we here in Cal will be in for the works
over this Post Office mess. It's election yr, and what
better than to go after guns ! Always an easy platform
for the majority party here right now. WE didn't do anything
but that's never stopped those up in Sac from bringing
the hammer to us. This lower business is a prime
example. Remember SB-23 ? There wouldn't even
be any probs if Davis and the Dems hadn't got this
bill through. It's prime pickings for another outrageous
bill or series of bills. It IS only a few months until
elections...and tough times ahead for us. So I think
chilling is the best thing. If not, it's gonna come back
and nail we pro gun enthusiasts in the near future.

[phish]

IMHO, I don't see anything wrong calling a spade a spade. I haven't seen anybody post any threats or anything else that might be cause for them to come after us. We're already underneath the microscope, if they don't like what they see, well, tough. :cool:

[6172crew]

IMHO, I don't see anything wrong calling a spade a spade. I haven't seen anybody post any threats or anything else that might be cause for them to come after us. We're already underneath the microscope, if they don't like what they see, well, tough. :cool:

+1, the DOJ has lied to me over the phone, tried to call the suppliers and threaten them, they have tried every dirty trick in the book including going to FFL's and taking property.

The AG is no friend of gun owners, and that is a fact.;)

[FreshTapCoke]

thorium:

Please accept my humble apology.

I'm glad there are adults on this site that say things and not only stand up for them when necessary, but can apologize for them too.