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shaunbowler@yahoo.com
03-04-2010, 4:37 PM
I am going to buy a hand gun for my girlfriend.
I have a #39 S&W.
Why would someone by a revolver instead of an auto?
In my humble opinion the auto has a lot more to offer.
Easy trigger pull, larger capacity, easier to carry/conceal.
Why would someone buy a revolver vs. auto?

CornFedWB
03-04-2010, 4:39 PM
Oh god here we go.(await the controversy)



Revolvers are easier to use, more reliable in the simplicity aspect, lighter, and seemed to be liked more by women than autos. I tried to get mine to like the G26, "it's toooo heeeeavvyyyy". picks up a s&w revolver and loves the feel.

Legasat
03-04-2010, 4:39 PM
No jams, no thinking about safeties, in fact no thinking at all.

Just pick up and pull trigger.

Simplicity...it's why a revolver is still my nightstand firearm.

Black Majik
03-04-2010, 4:39 PM
IBL

Once A Marine
03-04-2010, 4:39 PM
A Revolver tends to be more reliable than a semi-auto - less moving parts/points of failure.

kurac
03-04-2010, 4:41 PM
Revolvers are typically,

More accurate
Better single action triggers
Don't jamb
easier to learn with
Don't throw hot brass all over
more flexible with light loads to super heavy load
last a long time

SCMA-1
03-04-2010, 4:43 PM
.....not again.:rolleyes:

kurac
03-04-2010, 4:43 PM
did I mention they have a certain sexyness about them

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b197/KuracBoban/P1020237.jpg

retired
03-04-2010, 4:43 PM
To the OP, welcome to Calguns. You might want to go to this link and read some of the threads that have been posted on this subject. Just type in "revolver vs semi-auto" without the quotes and you will find the answers you seek.:)

ETA: I guess it would have been nice if I had actually provided the link huh.

http://www.google.com/cse?cx=018149931542195181678%3Apzxbzjzh1zk&ie=UTF-8&q=revolver+vs+semi-auto&sa=Search&siteurl=www.google.com%2Fcse%2Fhome%3Fcx%3D0181499 31542195181678%3Apzxbzjzh1zk

chickenfried
03-04-2010, 4:45 PM
search out member lasz and snatch the pebble from the palm.

Once A Marine
03-04-2010, 4:45 PM
To the OP, welcome to Calguns. You might want to go to this link and read some of the threads that have been posted on this subject. Just type in "revolver vs semi-auto" without the quotes and you will find the answers you seek.:)

This link, too :)

http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=018149931542195181678:pzxbzjzh1zk

c good
03-04-2010, 4:46 PM
It all comes down to training, training, training. If you don't get a lot of range time with your weapon of choice, the simpler the better. Revolvers are as simple as it gets. As mentioned above, aim and squeeze the trigger. No safties, slide releases, no magazine release buttons to accidentally push....OOOOPS!!! If you can't hit it in six shots, then 10 won't help you. HTH c good

-hanko
03-04-2010, 4:54 PM
I am going to buy a hand gun for my girlfriend.
I have a #39 S&W.
Why would someone by a revolver instead of an auto?
In my humble opinion the auto has a lot more to offer.
Easy trigger pull, larger capacity, easier to carry/conceal.
Why would someone buy a revolver vs. auto?
Bring GF with you, have her select the gun that fits her hand / shoots the best for her.

Whether it's revolver or semi-auto makes little difference...what she shoots well with does.

-hanko

choprzrul
03-04-2010, 4:54 PM
did I mention they have a certain sexyness about them

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b197/KuracBoban/P1020237.jpg

+++1 on this revolver porn. Sweet lines!

Rob454
03-04-2010, 5:10 PM
Personally if you get a gun for a woman get a revolver. Not as many things to do when using a revolver compared to a aemi auto ( to get gun ready to fire)

23 Blast
03-04-2010, 5:21 PM
Kurac, those are some sweeeeet grips! What are they and where did you get them?

And yes, while semis might have more to offer overall in a handgun, a revolver's simplicity is it's strong point. I think learning to shoot a revolver is much easier than an auto. The manual of arms is much simpler and a raw newbie can concentrate on hitting the target (with the light SA pull) and not on ducking the ejected brass.

One of these days I'm gonna splurge and get me one of those 8-shot 627s. I would love it if S&W came out with their Classic 27's except with an 8-shot cylinder instead of the 6-shot. I like blued and walnut.

shaunbowler@yahoo.com
03-04-2010, 5:35 PM
What about the "trigger pull weight."
Autos are real light.
Every Revovlver I have shot seems heavy, and I am afraid a 5'2" 95lbs "weakling" while pulling the trigger will end up shooting at the sky.

SCMA-1
03-04-2010, 5:46 PM
What about the "trigger pull weight."
Autos are real light.
Every Revovlver I have shot seems heavy, and I am afraid a 5'2" 95lbs "weakling" while pulling the trigger will end up shooting at the sky.

That's a legitimate concern. Although the characteristics of the revolver double action pull can be altered by tuning and/or parts replacement, generally, most stock revolvers have very creepy and heavy double action pulls which do not contribute to fine accuracy. Double action revolvers can also be fired from the single action mode but their triggers are even lighter when staged than most semi-autos making them a liability for ND in a defensive/stressful situation; for this reason, double action revolvers kept for defensive purposes should be practiced with in the double action mode. This does not just apply to women but men also; semi-auto trigger actions are generally much easier to shoot accurately than double action revolver.

The best thing to do is take her to a range with a wide selection of rentals, have her try various types and calibers. The one she shoots the best with is probably the one to get.

Bobotheclown
03-04-2010, 9:10 PM
+1 on letting her try different gun. Now replace rent with buy and you have my method of convincing fiancee about all my purchases...

jazman
03-04-2010, 10:12 PM
I am going to buy a hand gun for my girlfriend.
I have a #39 S&W.
Why would someone by a revolver instead of an auto?
In my humble opinion the auto has a lot more to offer.
Easy trigger pull, larger capacity, easier to carry/conceal.
Why would someone buy a revolver vs. auto?

Well, has your auto ever failed to fire? Or jammed? Stove piped? Even once? Has is gone bang every single time you have pulled the trigger? Has it operated absolutely perfectly? If it has ever failed to fire, even once, there is your answer. The revolver won't fail to fire, and isn't that what you want and need in a gun, especially for defense?

BigDogatPlay
03-04-2010, 10:21 PM
What about the "trigger pull weight."
Autos are real light.
Every Revovlver I have shot seems heavy, and I am afraid a 5'2" 95lbs "weakling" while pulling the trigger will end up shooting at the sky.

A consideration, but again it comes down to familiarity and what she is comfortable with. My 5'4" wife prefers a K frame S&W revolver. With Magna grips on a 4 inch 19 she is quite comfortable and very effective, she's even better with a round butt and a short barrel. 629 3 inch she shoots well, although she only fires 44 Special out of it, not too interested in magnums after watching me fire them.

Of course she has never gotten over the phobia of thinking the slide on an auto is going to fly off and tag her in the nose which might have something to do with her preferences.

:D

Barkoff
03-04-2010, 10:46 PM
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c256/mikemarkca/jerry.gif

Barkoff
03-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Well, has your auto ever failed to fire? Or jammed? Stove piped? Even once? Has is gone bang every single time you have pulled the trigger? Has it operated absolutely perfectly? If it has ever failed to fire, even once, there is your answer. The revolver won't fail to fire, and isn't that what you want and need in a gun, especially for defense?

Or if it does, just squeeze it again.

1JimMarch
03-04-2010, 10:53 PM
There's revolvers, and then there's revolvers gone "hardcore".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4258670610_57f5801536_b.jpg

:D

chickenfried
03-04-2010, 10:55 PM
just to play devil's advocate.:p The range is now safe :rofl:
nbkoutGwA78
Well, has your auto ever failed to fire? Or jammed? Stove piped? Even once? Has is gone bang every single time you have pulled the trigger? Has it operated absolutely perfectly? If it has ever failed to fire, even once, there is your answer. The revolver won't fail to fire, and isn't that what you want and need in a gun, especially for defense?

kurac
03-04-2010, 11:01 PM
He admitted he has no clue, I think thats the problem

SCMA-1
03-04-2010, 11:07 PM
Well, has your auto ever failed to fire? Or jammed? Stove piped? Even once? Has is gone bang every single time you have pulled the trigger? Has it operated absolutely perfectly? If it has ever failed to fire, even once, there is your answer. The revolver won't fail to fire, and isn't that what you want and need in a gun, especially for defense?

I've had semi-autos jam when fed out of spec ammo or inappropriate ammo, when the gun wasn't properly maintained and needed cleaning or fed with out of spec or defective magazines. To be fair, I've ALSO had revolvers jam as a result of primers backing out locking up the cylinder preventing it from turning or swinging out. I've had ejector rods loosen and unscrew preventing the cylinder from swinging out.

The more appropriate question is: have you ever had a handgun (revolver or semi) fail to fire or jam that was not a result of using inappropriate or defective ammunition, improper or lack of maintenance, improper use/training of the weapon or defects with the gun itself? The point is virtually all modern handguns of reasonable quality and sound design will function flawlessly when used and maintained as designed and fed appropriate ammunition.

BigDogatPlay
03-04-2010, 11:07 PM
Thats exactly the problem... no apparent clue about the condition of his equipment. The only way the yoke falls off is if the screw is backed out, the tip is broken, the screw is missing or the flange on the yoke is broken.

Any one of those is easily diagnosed when cleaning.

J-cat
03-04-2010, 11:08 PM
Maybe he forgot to replace that little screw that holds the cylinder crane from falling out after cleaning.

chickenfried
03-04-2010, 11:10 PM
Well to be fair it was a no clue if the screw was still there not a no clue that there was a screw that's supposed to be there. But they added text to the video, the screw was still there. I'm going to check all mine tomorrow.

ontmark
03-05-2010, 1:48 PM
IMHO and $.02 worth
I am old school.

I really believe anyone’s first handgun should be
a wheel gun in 357 with a 3 to 4 inch barrel
3 to 4 inch good for the range, packing camping,
and home defense.

Why a wheel gun?
You take so much out of possibilities of error.
1. Very easy to unload when needed
2. A lot easier to clean for the new shooter.
3. Can practice both double action and single trigger pull.
4. A lot less malfunctions to deal with while shooting.

The semi auto issues for new shooter
1. Harder to clean
2. Time to shoot. Magazine in, pull slide back off slide stop and let slide forward to load, tries to shoot. Nothing happens. Slide did not go into full battery. So new shooter thinks ok pistol didn’t strip round from Magazine. Cycles slide to load pistol and finds live round being ejected from pistol. First response usually from new shooter is go pick up live round, Sets loaded pistol on shooting bench while looking for live round. This is a no-no.
3. Range officer calls cease fire, magazines out action locked open. New shooter drops magazine opens action and locks it open. Again there is a live round somewhere on the ground, New shooters first response usually is to find live round. Is it in front of the bench, on the bench, or on the ground? None of which is usually behind safety line away from the bench.
4. What do I do if I have a fail to eject (stove pipe)?
5. What do I do if I have a fail to feed?
6. New handgun shooter’s main concern should always be the full control of the loaded weapon that is why I feel it is best to start with a wheel gun!!
7. I have seen all of these through my years of shooting.

Why a 357? 38 special wad cutters can be bought pretty cheap. Practice, Practice, Practice. Wide range of loads to try 38 special, 38 special+P 357 Magnum. Get use to shooting a hand gun. Then let’s get through the Semi Auto issues.

Sorry for the long replay.

Z ME FLY
03-05-2010, 2:01 PM
Bring GF with you, have her select the gun that fits her hand / shoots the best for her.

Whether it's revolver or semi-auto makes little difference...what she shoots well with does.

-hanko

there you go! we have our answer

.40Cal
03-05-2010, 2:48 PM
Revolvers are MORE Scary than auto.... I read this somewhere, and it makes sense.

Imagine the bad guy looking at a barrel pointing him in an auto vs revolver. Revolver looks like a little cannon pointing in his way. That wheel filled with bullets pointing him............ its a psychological affect.

cwiz
03-05-2010, 3:37 PM
Revolvers are typically,

More accurate
Better single action triggers
Don't jamb
easier to learn with
Don't throw hot brass all over
more flexible with light loads to super heavy load
last a long time

+1
started on revolvers and LOVED them way more than autos, but i have learned to prefer autos

1st5
03-05-2010, 4:16 PM
Seems like we have a trend...

I took my wife to Bullseye in San Rafael. We shot Glock, Sigs, HK's. She didn't like them for one reason or another. Then we shot SW and Ruger revolvers. SHE ended up choosing a Ruger GP100 in the four inch barrel and SHE added on a Crimson Trace Laser Grip for it later on.

Take her to the range and let her choose her own gun for her own reasons. She will be much happier with it, will shoot it more, and you will score major relationship points because of it.

ianS
03-05-2010, 4:24 PM
First let me say I believe both autos and revolvers are fine choices for self defense. There are postives and negatives to both but personally I prefer autos.

With that out the way, its often argued that revolvers are the best choice for beginners or non-dedicated shooters because they're simple to use and simple to teach. But IMHO if someone is not dedicated enough to familiarize themselves to safely handle and use a semi-auto pistol (like a Glock/M&P/XD) they're not gonna be dedicated enough for any firearm including a revolver. Gun ownership is an either/or proposition. You're either properly trained or you're not. You either have the proper mindset or you dont'. If owning a gun isn't something a person wants to think about or put in the effort I question how it'll help them when they really need it (or how safe they'll be with it). Those who don't might be off with pepper spray.

CGK60
03-05-2010, 4:31 PM
Never have to look for your brass, work up and down with the loads.

Kempfer
03-05-2010, 4:38 PM
Whatever she is happy with is best.
But is this just to plink? Because you know there are other factors in choosing a weapon for example personal defense.

So when it comes to that you know there are other factors like reloading under stress. Shooting in different positions. Is 6-7 rounds enough? Do you train enough to problem solve the gun because there is no visual difference for a failure to fire and being empty. You also won't be counting round I guarantee. Most people that have actually been in a shooting do not recall how many rounds they fired.

All that said and done a glock is probably the easiest to use haha but most ugliest so I doubt that be a choice.

Also as far as reliability goes a well maintained and cleaned auto will most likely only suffer from failure to fire. I found it pretty dandy that when someone show the clip of the revolver failing a bunch of people were like "ooooh, won't happen if maintain correctly" hahahahaha. Yah same goes for a 1911 but no one believe em if someone say that.
Prob not issue but if you buy a wheel gun you teach her to reload the proper way like Ayoob teaches. She might burn her fingers or hurt them if she reloads the wrong way. Do you tac reload? How do you tac reload? You do that in a auto why not in a wheel right. I know how, when and why but I let you think about it.

Wheel gun way more deep and complicated than you think.

But you know what don't get a gun because you think your wife can handle that and not much more. I saw someone say "wheel gun is easy just point and shoot". That is a poor reasoning to buy a gun. I mean seriously, do you want someone that can only handle something that will point and shoot to be wielding a firearm that is always hot? hhahaha. If I thought the highest level of competence my girlfriend could manage was to JUST point and shoot I would tell her don't get a gun get a flashlight. Whatever you get try to train to a high level. If she don't want to do that then maybe you need to get a gun that is easier to get to a level of self defense i.e. semi-auto.

p.s.
You know what is not bad is to put a laser on the wheel gun if you get it. It will help especially for the small ones. I think that should help out more in a personal defense situation. So maybe look for a wheel gun you can put a laser on.

tortoisethunder
03-05-2010, 6:49 PM
No gun is perfect! Revolvers are simple to fire...but harder to reload. Auto's are a little more complicated but easier to reload.

First gun should be a revolver...but there is nothing wrong with a Glock, Smith and Wesson M&P, or a Springfield XD as a first.

I prefer my Glock 17(9mm) with 23 rounds of hornady critical defense in the magazine, or my Glock 23(.40) with 13 rounds of pmc eldorado star fire in the magazine. I also have 3 each extra magazines loaded. I am lucky as I bought these guns way before the 10 round limitations! I have also had professional training with the glock platform. I am very confident with them.

Why Glock, M&P, or the XD? When receiving my training the classes had many shooters with many different types of guns...even one revolver. All types of shooting levels, all types of ammo, etc. The ONLY guns that never jammed at all were the revolver, Glocks, M&Ps, or the XDs.

In a gun fight and your only weapon jams most likely you will lose if your first round doesn't find a nice home in the bad guys vitals...and if there is more than one bad guy...better find cover and clear the jam quickly friends.

Practice, practice, practice. Be aware of you handguns limitations and potential possible failures, practice clearing jams, practice changing magazines or reloading revolvers.

By the way when practicing make sure there ARE NO LIVE ROUNDS IN YOUR TRAINING AREA!!!! PLEASE.

23 Blast
03-05-2010, 7:32 PM
Kempfer, your idea of the laser is a fine one. However, your string of conscious ess style of writing made it hard for me to pick out cogent (or cohere t) points.

IanS, I don't think gun ownership is an either/or proposition and I don't think that, unless you shoot a thousand rounds a week in training, you'd be better off with pepper spray. That's like saying unless you train on a track like a Fomula One or NASCAR driver, you'd be better off with a bicycle. There are all skill levels of drivers, just like there are all skill levels of gun owners. As long as someone can safely handle both their cars and their guns in most situations, I'm okay with that. I wouldn't expect the majority of citizen gun owners to be able to do a dynamic entry, just as I wouldn't expect the majority of regular drivers to be able to competently handle a race car. But, just as the majority of regular drivers manage to pilot their cars safely on a day to day basis, and even respond correctly to an emergency situation (without requiring the skills of a race car driver) most gun owners can do likewise, even without the expertise of a SWAT officer.

Truly - how many of those "Armed Homeowner" stories we read about at the beginning Of American Rifleman and Guns and Ammo involve someone who is a thousand-rounds-a-week competition shooter? I think it's likely most of them are hardly gun enthusiasts at all.

Also, another analogy with the revolver vs auto is kind of like cars with automatic transmission versus manual transmission. Personally I think everyone should know how to drive a stick shift, but I know plenty of people who have driven automatic transmissions their whole lives and are perfectly safe drivers. So, criticizing someone who may be comfortable with revolvers while maybe being slightly uncomfortable with autos is similar to criticizing someone's driving skill because they have never driven a stick shift.

Gem1950
03-05-2010, 7:58 PM
The right size for a woman's hands, couldn't be easier to operate.

http://www.remtek.com/arms/sig/model/239/239.htm

ianS
03-05-2010, 9:14 PM
IanS, I don't think gun ownership is an either/or proposition and I don't think that, unless you shoot a thousand rounds a week in training, you'd be better off with pepper spray. That's like saying unless you train on a track like a Fomula One or NASCAR driver, you'd be better off with a bicycle. There are all skill levels of drivers, just like there are all skill levels of gun owners. As long as someone can safely handle both their cars and their guns in most situations, I'm okay with that. I wouldn't expect the majority of citizen gun owners to be able to do a dynamic entry, just as I wouldn't expect the majority of regular drivers to be able to competently handle a race car. But, just as the majority of regular drivers manage to pilot their cars safely on a day to day basis, and even respond correctly to an emergency situation (without requiring the skills of a race car driver) most gun owners can do likewise, even without the expertise of a SWAT officer.



In no way was I taking it that far. If someone is too lazy or un-engaged that they can't or won't understand how a simple semi-auto pistol like a Glock works I question whether they have the impetus to responsibly own any handgun, revolver or otherwise. To practice on a semi-regular basis. To safely handle a loaded weapon under stress. To do simple maintenance. To safely and legally secure or transport it when necessary. To know when its legal and right to shoot someone. All the mental engagement and responsibility that owning a gun entails. Understanding and operating a semi-auto pistol is not hard, esp in this age of iPhones, DVR's, and GPS systems. There are far more challenging things ordinary men and women learn to operate everyday, if its important to them. If they are too lazy or indifferent about learning to properly and safely operate a semi-auto pistol they're too lazy and indifferent about owning a revolver. They are not serious about owning a real firearm.

In other words, a gun shouldn't be like a fire extinquisher one buys at Home Depot to put in a corner and forget about for years. With a vague understanding of how it works and what it means to own one.

twotap
03-05-2010, 9:59 PM
Have her try as many as possable.She will let you know what she feels comfy with. If it isn't what she wants she won't want to shoot it. Don't try to pick it for her. You wouldn't want her to choose for you..

chad68
03-06-2010, 12:17 AM
No jams, no thinking about safeties, in fact no thinking at all.

Just pick up and pull trigger.

Simplicity...it's why a revolver is still my nightstand firearm.


Same exact goes for me.

Nice to have a ready to go semi tucked away someplace in addition to a wheel gun but I would always trust my .38 S&W snub to fire when I need it to go bang and go bang NOW! I trust my life with my 38. Also my Anaconda but it stays in the safe. Besides I would loose my hearing if I shot it with no ear protection in my house. I'm sure the .38 in the middle of the night is bad enough.

If i had to rely on a semi guess it would be a Glock (don't have one), then my Sig 226 but it's too $$$ to leave out and i still trust the 38 more anyway.

odysseus
03-06-2010, 12:33 AM
Revolver vs. Auto?

In which caliber, 9mm or .45acp?












:43:

NotSoFast
03-06-2010, 1:00 AM
But what does SHE want? You go buy her something she's not comfortable with, or doesn't like, you lose points with her. If you try to choose for her, she isn't going to appreciate it if you choose the wrong gun.

Take her to the shop and have her try handling a couple of each. Then, if there is a range that rents guns, take her shooting what she wants to try. THen make your purchase based on her choice of what is best.

Fishslayer
03-06-2010, 3:11 PM
Why would someone buy a revolver vs. auto?

ummm... because they prefer a revolver?:rolleyes: