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Red Robin
03-04-2010, 12:40 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm interested in buying a FAL here in SoCal, I am aware of the legality chart mentioned on the other threads.(Thank you who ever made those charts,
they are very helpful for an inexperienced gun owner such as myself.)

My main need is a .308 rifle and the FAL is fitting the bill... So far...
I was originally interested in the Socom16 but due to mixed reviews of bad quality of internal reports and lack of accuracy for the hefty $1,800 price tag I've decided to look elsewhere.
If this build fails I might look into a AR type .308 with a bullet button.
Then my last resort for the .308 would be the Savage 10 FCP-K bolt action.


Are there any dealers in CA that are selling "featureless" FAL's with a KYDEX grip? (http://solartactical.com/product.sc?productId=33&categoryId=19) (I saw another thread that Monster man grips don't have one for the FAL, is this true?)

What would be the best way to get one?
And are there any legality problems with this setup?
The bullet button on the FAL is a possibility, but then it couldn't use the 20 round standard magazines. (Magazines made before 2,000, mind you.)

Thank you for your time, I greatly appreciate it.
-Red Robin

sker13
03-04-2010, 12:46 PM
The FAL will cost you about the same as the Socom. RPK in Fresno has one unless they sold it.

Z ME FLY
03-04-2010, 12:46 PM
You mean PRK not RPK

CEDaytonaRydr
03-04-2010, 1:31 PM
Are there any dealers in CA that are selling "featureless" FAL's with a KYDEX grip? (http://solartactical.com/product.sc?productId=33&categoryId=19) (I saw another thread that Monster man grips don't have one for the FAL, is this true?)

What would be the best way to get one?
And are there any legality problems with this setup?
The bullet button on the FAL is a possibility, but then it couldn't use the 20 round standard magazines. (Magazines made before 2,000, mind you.)

Thank you for your time, I greatly appreciate it.
-Red Robin

Yeah, I'd like to get one of those too...

I was a little concerned when I saw this on the website though:


Along with a featureless rifle, this allows the user to have detachable magazines.
Not approved by the DOJ.


...and that's from their own website! :eek:

I don't know what to make of that...

rct442
03-04-2010, 2:09 PM
FALs are hard to come by period. Most people buy them out of state, then ship it here by middleman. There is a small but faithful group of members here who own FALs, I'm hoping more will drop in.

About the pistol grip wrap, it is certainly not the most ergonomic option, but at least I can use a detachable magazines.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7632/dsc0138hi.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/dsc0138hi.jpg/)

Red Robin
03-04-2010, 2:18 PM
Nice setup, how do you like it?
What did it cost you?
What accuracy are you getting?
So I would have to buy it out of state and install the grip and come back to CA?
Thanks,
-Red Robin

DedEye
03-04-2010, 2:23 PM
Yeah, I'd like to get one of those too...

I was a little concerned when I saw this on the website though:

...and that's from their own website! :eek:

I don't know what to make of that...

Nothing is approved by the DOJ. Deal with it and drive on.

rct442
03-04-2010, 2:33 PM
Nice setup, how do you like it?
What did it cost you?
What accuracy are you getting?
Thanks,
-Red Robin

FALs are relatively unpopular compared to ARs, AKs & M1As; therefore very few places in CA will sell them "off-the-rack". Also, there are only a few companies who make them as well. Enterprise, Century & DSA are the most popular companies that sell complete FALs.

My STG58 is made by DSA, and you can pick one up for around $1200 not including shipping, middleman fees & DROS fees. Accuracy is average, but you can pick up a M1A or Rem 700 for about the same money that will be much more accurate.

So I would have to buy it out of state and install the grip and come back to CA?

All you have to do is send a out of state FAL to a middleman, and he will "neuter" it & then ship it to the FFL closest to you.

If your looking for something "fun" buy a FAL. If you like to hunt or shoot long distance, then there are better options out there.

sker13
03-04-2010, 2:42 PM
You mean PRK not RPK

OOPS, thanks for the correction! I know what I meant to type LOL!

duraglock
03-04-2010, 3:07 PM
Enterprise arms sells FALS with the kydex grips installed as a factory option. Norse armory also stocks the FAL grips and I believe they build Fals. If not order direct from the website.

C_1
03-04-2010, 4:29 PM
Cant go wrong with a FAL. The SOCOM, AR10 and Savage are nice too. Have you considered the 308 Saiga?

PRK Arms in Fresno has a featureless FAL with kydex wrap grip on their wall right now. Or maybe you can get them to build you a custom FAL.

There is no MMG for the FAL but theDrickle and PRK makes a mag lock for it.

2600fromAtari
03-04-2010, 5:33 PM
Red Robin, what I did was purchase this DSA FAL from Atlantic Firearms:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct482.aspx

I bought this this maglock from PRK Arms:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=257138

Atlantic installs the lock, disassembles the 20-round magazine, voila, you're CA compliant. If you want to go featureless, then have the Kydex grip to Atlantic to install for you versus the maglock. You'll be way under the $1800 price tag you spoke of. Hope that helps.

Or, as duraglock said, you could buy an Entreprise with the Kydex grip installed then and there. Don't know where is SoCal you are, but Entreprise is around the LA area, pay them a visit.

Atlantic Firearms
03-05-2010, 4:20 AM
Your DSA was modded yesterday and should be shipping out today via fedex ground.

Cobrafreak
03-05-2010, 4:30 AM
FAL's are nice. I used my FAL paratrooper to score "Rifleman" at an Appleseed shoot last year (head shot @ 100 yards). It is not as accurate as an AR 10 because it does not have a rotating bolt, but a drop bolt. But it is accurate enough to do what it needs to do. What I personally like about FAL's are they look really cool and are comfortable to hold/shoot, they are super reliable even when you neglect it, and about the easiest rifle to field strip in the world (even easier than an AK).

Jon Wang
03-05-2010, 8:19 AM
FAL's are nice. I used my FAL paratrooper to score "Rifleman" at an Appleseed shoot last year (head shot @ 100 yards).

Congrats. I know how difficult that is to accomplish. :clap:

I know I love all of my kids.

Red Robin - have you tried Turner's? They had both the Enterprise and the DSA on sale not too long ago.

Enterprise is in Irwindale off the 605 and 210. They could probably custom build one for ya to whatever your specs/budget. I don't know what their turn-around time is, but if you just want an "off the shelf" shooter, then try Turner's (wait for a sale).

X-NewYawker
03-05-2010, 8:24 AM
DS Arms will sell you direct to your FFL a CA legal version with a pistol grip and welded in magazine:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/IMG_6115.jpg

ponderosa
03-05-2010, 8:37 AM
The bullet button on the FAL is a possibility, but then it couldn't use the 20 round standard magazines. (Magazines made before 2,000, mind you.)

Magazines owned in CA prior to 2000...

Cobrafreak
03-05-2010, 9:19 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/jperickson2001/P3160007.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/jperickson2001/P1290005.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/jperickson2001/P3180010.jpg

Here is my DSA CA SA58 paratrooper spec'ed rifle. You add a bullet button (I made my own), file off the stupid DSA spot weld on the mag release lever, and then pop a rivet into a FAL 20 round magazine for 10 round capacity and you are good to go. You have the ease of mag dropping and the
look of a traditional FAL with a 20 round length magazine body.

Sicarius
03-05-2010, 12:25 PM
For my featureless I bought a US made handgrip and took a pizza cut out of it right where the shelf for the handgrip nut attaches to the stud. Folded it back and JB welded it. I then made a cut and used a piece of abs plastic to fill the part where your thumb would go. Worked out pretty well and was fun to do.
Kevin

Atlantic Firearms
03-05-2010, 5:59 PM
We have a pretty good deal going on Entreprise Arms Cal Legal FAL rifles with bullet buttons installed.

DisgruntledReaper
03-05-2010, 9:12 PM
Fals rock, I own several and they will feed basically anything...cant say the same about M1a's and AR10's though..

The FAL is a Man's Rifle,lean like a cheetah, super reliable,accurate enough and considering it was sold to and used by over 90 countries-and is still in use in many...enough said..

NOW if you want to be mall ninja tacticool, then get an AR,M1A,etc.

I have an Izzy HB that will do like 1-1.5" at 100 if I do my part..

Join the Falfiles.com and go poke around ..sometimes they show up for like 800..sometimes LESS,have the barreled receiver shipped to a FFL,Have the lower shipped to YOU and you will have no issues with there bveing any 'evil features' since it is NOT a complete firearm..you just need to get it to comply in whatever manner you want BEFORE you take into the public and POS laws eye.