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fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 4:32 AM
Does anyone have any accurate information regarding the legality of buying the Kahr P380?

Some say that you can buy any Kahr P380 online. While I've also been told you have to wait for the version that is CA approved that will be sold later this year. On the DOJ list it doesn't really specify. Please help, I really want to buy it online but do not want to go through the hassle of purchasing it then being denied a transfer once it get to a CA FFL. Thanks.

DedEye
03-04-2010, 4:50 AM
Does anyone have any accurate information regarding the legality of buying the Kahr P380?

Some say that you can buy any Kahr P380 online. While I've also been told you have to wait for the version that is CA approved that will be sold later this year. On the DOJ list it doesn't really specify. Please help, I really want to buy it online but do not want to go through the hassle of purchasing it then being denied a transfer once it get to a CA FFL. Thanks.

If it's not on this list, you can't buy it online.

If you select "Kahr Arms" from the drop down menu, the P380 is at the top of the list:

P380 / Polymer Frame; Stainless Steel Slide Pistol 2.5" .380 ACP 2/18/2011 (http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/)

Congratulations, you can buy it.

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 4:55 AM
If it's not on this list, you can't buy it online.

If you select "Kahr Arms" from the drop down menu, the P380 is at the top of the list:

P380 / Polymer Frame; Stainless Steel Slide Pistol 2.5" .380 ACP 2/18/2011 (http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/)

Congratulations, you can buy it.

Should I call my local FFL to make sure? Could they deny me for this transaction?

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 4:57 AM
Plus on the Kahr website there is this note:

"Urgent Notice to California dealers and consumers regarding the Kahr P380
The Kahr P380 listed on the California Roster is incorrectly listed.
The correct P380 SKU number is KP38233 and will be available later in 2010."



On the other hand the DOJ list isn't specific on the matter.

bigbob76
03-04-2010, 6:20 AM
Plus on the Kahr website there is this note:

Urgent Notice to California dealers and consumers regarding the Kahr P380
The Kahr P380 listed on the California Roster is incorrectly listed.
The correct P380 SKU number is KP38233 and will be available later in 2010.

On the other hand the DOJ list isn't specific on the matter.

Our government agencies seem to be in melt down mode since the money tap got turned off. Many calgunners have posted they already bought the Kahr P380 here in CA. If I saw one I'd buy it. If DOJ realized later they shouldn't have DROS'd it that would just be too bad for them.:)

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 7:13 AM
any other info guys??

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 7:14 AM
trying to get the gun today!

paul0660
03-04-2010, 7:26 AM
Should I call my local FFL to make sure? Could they deny me for this transaction

Yes and yes. Whether you want to point out the note on Kahr's website is up to you. It won't be your gun for 10 days after delivery (unless you can get the serial # and start the dros right away, which some FFL's will do). If the FFL determines that it really isn't a roster gun in that period, it will have to be sent back.

It is also possible that the DOJ might figure out their error and deny the sale in that time also.

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 7:43 AM
Yes and yes. Whether you want to point out the note on Kahr's website is up to you. It won't be your gun for 10 days after delivery (unless you can get the serial # and start the dros right away, which some FFL's will do). If the FFL determines that it really isn't a roster gun in that period, it will have to be sent back.

It is also possible that the DOJ might figure out their error and deny the sale in that time also.

That's what I'm afraid of. What happens if the gun is sent to the FFL and I get rejected what happens to the gun and could the online retailer still charge me for the gun?

paul0660
03-04-2010, 7:59 AM
Ask the FFL a generic question about the situation, and find out what the retailers return policy is. Neither of those guys are going to lose money on this transaction if it flops.

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 8:06 AM
Ask the FFL a generic question about the situation, and find out what the retailers return policy is. Neither of those guys are going to lose money on this transaction if it flops.

Thanks for the info. I'll do what you suggested. It seems so complicated I'm thinking maybe I should just wait for the CA approved version.

By the way I was looking at Impactguns.com. Have you ever dealt or heard anything about them?

paul0660
03-04-2010, 8:13 AM
I have heard of them but never used them. Google "impact guns review" and start reading.......there are some complaints. If you use a credit card you will eventually prevail if there is a problem.

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 8:17 AM
I have heard of them but never used them. Google "impact guns review" and start reading.......there are some complaints. If you use a credit card you will eventually prevail if there is a problem.

Will do. Thank you sir.

paul0660
03-04-2010, 8:20 AM
Good luck!

SVRider
03-04-2010, 8:48 AM
It's a no-go. Search through the posts here. The local shop had one as LE Only for months. The day it made the list, a CalGunner ran down there and DROS'd it. As the roster didn't clarify a "California"version, the shop was fine with it.

A few days later, he was contacted stating DOJ was cancelling the DROS.

Looks like you're going to have to wait for the Cali version....

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 8:55 AM
It's a no-go. Search through the posts here. The local shop had one as LE Only for months. The day it made the list, a CalGunner ran down there and DROS'd it. As the roster didn't clarify a "California"version, the shop was fine with it.

A few days later, he was contacted stating DOJ was cancelling the DROS.

Looks like you're going to have to wait for the Cali version....

I read that too but he actually said the dealer was the one that cancelled the transaction, not the DOJ. The dealer even said that it was a gray area and technically he could sell the gun. The guy you mentioned even call the DOJ and the DOJ informed him that the model number that was approved was the same as the one in the shop. Here's the story.

"I spoke with the owner of Retting's today. He explained that the Kahr rep said that there will be a CA compliant model coming out in 6 months. He did admit the purchase of the pistol he has in stock is a grey area. Called the DOJ this morning. The DOJ said that there is only one model of the Kahr approved and the model # is KP3833 & KP3833N (night sights). The model that Retting's has in stock is KP3833 FWIW. So technically you should be able to buy these in CA. No amount of convincing would persuade him to sell me the pistol"

SVRider
03-04-2010, 8:57 AM
Hmmm...after I read that I stopped following the thread...

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 8:59 AM
I was posting in that said thread. Up until today, the DOJ hasn't clarified the issue. They are still maintaining that the model number approved is KP3833 and thats the same model number being sold in the rest of the country.

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 9:02 AM
Hmmm...after I read that I stopped following the thread...

Read what specifically? It was never mentioned that the DOJ was the one that stopped the sale. You might have just misunderstood what you read. Thanks for trying to help though.

paul0660
03-04-2010, 9:07 AM
If it is on the list, that means DOJ had it in their hands and tested it. Maybe Kahr is screwed up........................

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 12:52 PM
any others?

skip
03-04-2010, 2:29 PM
any others?

we'll see

fourtyounce48
03-04-2010, 2:33 PM
I just placed an order for one and will let you know.

I did also. will do the same.

sirr6
03-05-2010, 1:17 PM
Drosing mine next week. Its at the shop right now.

MAK422
03-06-2010, 8:21 PM
I just paid for mine today at 4:00. The gun shop said if its on his list which is updated every minute he will sell it, and he did. I got the last one he had. We will see how it goes. I get mine on the 16th I hope

9mmepiphany
03-06-2010, 9:45 PM
you know if you just keep asking question instead of acting, you can talk yourself out of just about anything.

it really isn't complicated, buy a gun and DROS it...if they can't sell it to you, i'm sure they'll tell you

i know a couple of members who were able to talk a seller out of selling them a Sig 226, because they kept questioning them about it being OK

bigbob76
03-07-2010, 12:52 PM
you know if you just keep asking question instead of acting, you can talk yourself out of just about anything.

it really isn't complicated, buy a gun and DROS it...if they can't sell it to you, i'm sure they'll tell you

i know a couple of members who were able to talk a seller out of selling them a Sig 226, because they kept questioning them about it being OK

Thanks for putting that into words.

MAK422
03-20-2010, 5:02 PM
I picked up my Karh P380 on Wednesday so you can have them here in ca.

walter
03-20-2010, 5:17 PM
stop being a ***** and buy it since it's on the list

9mmepiphany
03-20-2010, 5:24 PM
just missed one in FL on his Saturday Night Special for $550...it lasted 2 mins

MAK422
03-20-2010, 5:29 PM
I take that back it's not on the list now you can only have (KP38233/KP38233N) not the KP3833 like I got:p

buochie
04-18-2010, 6:22 PM
I am looking forward to owning one of these!

bigbob76
04-18-2010, 7:23 PM
I take that back it's not on the list now you can only have (KP38233/KP38233N) not the KP3833 like I got:p

Does this mean I'll have to work on it to take some CA feature off of it?

MAK422
04-30-2010, 10:13 PM
Does this mean I'll have to work on it to take some CA feature off of it?

Yes you will, just a magazine disconnect I believe.

Quiet
05-01-2010, 12:04 AM
Yes you will, just a magazine disconnect I believe.

It also has the CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.
See pic for what it will look like.
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/PM9193_LCI.jpg

MAK422
05-01-2010, 1:28 PM
It also has the CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.
See pic for what it will look like.
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/PM9193_LCI.jpg

Is it gonna have that lever on the back too, is that a saftey on the back of the gun. Or is that just for the PM9, because thats the Ca version right?

DerGlock
05-01-2010, 2:00 PM
It also has the CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.
See pic for what it will look like.
http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/PM9193_LCI.jpg


I'm glad mine doesn't have those features. Is the writing on it really necessary?

Steve G
05-01-2010, 2:07 PM
Yes you will, just a magazine disconnect I believe.

Completly wrong please do not spread FUD if you dont know what your talking about

sirr6
05-01-2010, 3:05 PM
glad i got mine before they changed it.

MAK422
05-01-2010, 7:51 PM
Completly wrong please do not spread FUD if you dont know what your talking about

Actually I talked to gun store where I bought my P380 and they told me it's gonna have a magazine disconnect and the round indicator. And I have read post from people who called Kahr and said the same exact thing. So I dont know what you know, or what you think you know, but I am going with what I have heard from many sources. But if it's different please let me know, sorry if I sound a little offended but I have not heard anything different.

Quiet
05-03-2010, 2:32 AM
Completly wrong please do not spread FUD if you dont know what your talking about

The Kahr Arms P380 that is on the approved list, is the KP38233/KP38233N.
The KP38233/KP38233N differ from the KP3833/KP3833N, in that they have a magazine disconnect and a CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.

The KP38233/KP38233N is currently not available and has late Q3 2010 release time frame.

When the Kahr Arms P380 was first placed on the approved list, it did not show the SKU number, so the KP3833/KP3833N (non-magazine disconnect & non-LCI) were being sold. A few weeks later, CA DOJ BOF adjusted the approved list to show the actual SKU numbered P380 that is approved.

So, unless it's being transfered via LE sale/PPT/out-of-state intra-familial gift, a CA FFL dealer can only transfer the Kahr Arms P380 (KP38233/KP38233N) and those models will come with a magazine disconnect and a CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.

MAK422
05-06-2010, 2:31 PM
The Kahr Arms P380 that is on the approved list, is the KP38233/KP38233N.
The KP38233/KP38233N differ from the KP3833/KP3833N, in that they have a magazine disconnect and a CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.

The KP38233/KP38233N is currently not available and has late Q3 2010 release time frame.

When the Kahr Arms P380 was first placed on the approved list, it did not show the SKU number, so the KP3833/KP3833N (non-magazine disconnect & non-LCI) were being sold. A few weeks later, CA DOJ BOF adjusted the approved list to show the actual SKU numbered P380 that is approved.

So, unless it's being transfered via LE sale/PPT/out-of-state intra-familial gift, a CA FFL dealer can only transfer the Kahr Arms P380 (KP38233/KP38233N) and those models will come with a magazine disconnect and a CA DOJ approved chamber load indicator.

Thank you Quiet for the response. I knew I was right, I checked into it before I bought my P380. If there was no difference then I was gonna wait when I had more funds, but when I found about the added Ca safety stuff I had to get the one without because my thinking is that the more moving parts you put on a gun, the more things that can fail. I am gonna use this as my CCW so I just want a basic no bells or whistles, just point and pull the trigger. I dont want to worry about if I am changing the mag during a gun fight that I cant shoot if needed.

buochie
11-24-2010, 9:17 PM
any news one this?

xxsleepyxx
11-24-2010, 9:22 PM
any news one this?

It's out.

http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-P380-w-LCI.asp