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upinflames2400
03-02-2010, 6:04 PM
Im going to build a Remington 700 in 308 planning on pushing it to 1000 yards. I want either a 24 or preferably 26 inch barrel. But I was wondering which 700 barrell is proven to be the most accurate whether that be the 5r milspec, sps, 40x and so on. I'm also planning on spending up to 4000 without optics. This rifle would only be for target shooting so weights not a problem. I'd appreciate experience and some input. Thanks

russ69
03-02-2010, 6:22 PM
The best rem 700 is a 40X but I'd just buy a heavy varmint and shoot that barrel out.

Thanx, Russ

surfNshoot
03-02-2010, 6:24 PM
Dude, if you are going to spend 4k on a rifle you will not use ANY of those barrels listed. You are talking a custom gun here. check out GAP rifles, IBA, hell at that price even Tactical Operations.

BigBamBoo
03-02-2010, 6:33 PM
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aplinker
03-02-2010, 6:39 PM
$4k is plenty to get just about anything you want - full custom. No need to go Remington. You could buy one of the off-the-shelf custom GAP rifles.

Go read the precision rifle forum.

eggfriedrice
03-02-2010, 6:48 PM
http://www.snipercentral.com/tangobuy.htm

FLIGHT762
03-02-2010, 7:01 PM
A couple of things:
If you are really going for a lot of shooting at 1000,dump the 308.
the 6mm's and 6.5's (260Rem.,65.X284, 6.5 Creedmore)or the heavy 30's.

If you will occasionally shoot to 1000 and most times, less you can keep the 308. Use 155's or the 175-178's out to 1000.

I have a Remington 40X. If i had it all to do over, I'd get a 5R (shoot it first to see what it does)then have it bluepinted, install a AICS type Detachable system, oversized bolt knob and spend the extra $$$ on good optics.

The only reason I went to the 40X was it was available in L/H. There were no L/H tactical rifles available in 1993. I still own it.

It really depends how serious you are about this. You spend $4,000.00+ on a custom build and sell it a year later. You see some of these rifles in the classifieds.

I have seen so many of the Remington LTR's and 700 P's shoot so well right out of the box.

If you are serious and committed, go for your custom build.

upinflames2400
03-03-2010, 6:44 AM
Thanks everyone for the input. Those gap rifles are really nice. I think I am gonna go that route. Custom rifle that is. I was doing some reading about that 6.5x284 and it seems like that's the round dominating the 1k shoots. Does anyone here reload that? And if so what does it run you about for a box of 20 to reload?

BigBamBoo
03-03-2010, 7:42 AM
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upinflames2400
03-03-2010, 7:53 AM
Thanks Stan. I'm definately going to do my homework before I make any purchases. Your advice is very helpful :)

skkeeter
03-03-2010, 8:05 AM
Have you thought about the DTA SRS. It will cost you about 4K for one caliber (308), and when your get enough practice, you could get the .338 Lapua conversion for around $1300. Plenty accurate out of the box. I'm a bit biased though, as my SRS is my precision rifle. I've never had a custom built rifle, so I can't compare the two. Good luck and have fun in your search.

Stockton
03-03-2010, 8:26 AM
Here is what ya asked for. Just to name a few and not in any specific order.

Barrels:
Hart
Krieger
Bartlein
Rock
Shilen
Pac Nor
Lothar Walther

Actions:
Rem
Badger
Surgeon
Stiller
Lawton

Stocks:
Mcmillan
HS Precision
Manners
AI Chassis
Mcree

Glass:
Leupold
USO
NightForce
S & B
IOR
Premier Reticles

Box Match Ammo:
Corbon
Federal Gold Medal Match
Black Hills
Hornady

Nothing wrong going the route you originally asked. A good trued 700 action with a good barrel set into a good stock and topped with good glass will get'r done. With that being said....you got a grip of cash that will go along ways with a custom build from a reputable builder. Caliber of choice is where you need to do some homework. Hot Rod vs. Work Horse. Type of shooting. And good practice.

Thanks,
Mac

ar15barrels
03-03-2010, 9:58 AM
Estimate prices...

$1250 Surgeon 591 repeater action
$1100 McMillan A5 with Badger bottom metal OR AI 2.0
$325 premium grade barrel from krieger, bartlein, broughton etc...
$225 Jewel Trigger
$275 Atlas Bipod

Around $500 gunsmithing to put it all together and you are at $3700 with an awesome rifle.

Choose your cartridge from 243, 260, 6.5x47 or 6.5 creedmore.
Plan to reload your own ammo so budget $1000 for that too.

swerv512
03-03-2010, 11:53 AM
^^^
:iagree:
hard not to like tha package...

upinflames2400
03-03-2010, 8:47 PM
After some research the 6XC round sounds like a real winner. Right now i think im gonna buy a Rem 700 platform in 308 and build it up a little bit. Get more practice from the 600+ yardage with it and once ive had some more longer range trigger time under my belt im gonna invest in a custom 6mm. The 6xc sounds like a really good round. I really like the 6.5x284 but the barrell life doesnt really tickle my fancy. Thanks for all the help guys :)

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 6:09 AM
Now after reading about the 6.5 creedmoor I don't know what I'm going to do. Build a custom right off the bat or start with 308. I'm so lost. Someone pamper me :(

foxtrotuniformlima
03-04-2010, 6:22 AM
Spend once, cry once.

Call George @ GAP , give him you budget, tell him what you want to shoot and he will set you up.

That is what I'd do if I had a 4K budget.

rksimple
03-04-2010, 7:01 AM
The problem with having a 4k budget right from the get go, is that you don't know enough to know what you really want in a custom. I could recommend a Surgeon 591 cause I love 'em for what I do, but you may not need that. You may find that for your kind of shooting, a Bat dual port BR action is more suited to your needs. Or a Kelby, etc.

What kind of shooting do you have in mind? Precision matches? Tactical matches? Informal bench shooting? How much shooting will be done inside 600 yards? Do you reload? What kind of accuracy are you looking for at 1k? All of this will play into what will be the best for your needs.

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 8:45 AM
I want to shoot in both precision and tactical matches. I shoot often in the desert so 600+ will be more likely the range. As to how accurate I want at 1k. I guess as accurate as I can get with my budget I plan on spending. I do want to get some sort of 6mm rifle but which one exactly I'm unsure of. Most likely I will be going with GAP since there along the lines of what I'm looking for in the rifle.

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 8:47 AM
Oh and I don't reload brass but I'm going to get an rcbs or Dillon somewhere down the line before I buy th rifle

ar15barrels
03-04-2010, 9:07 AM
Oh and I don't reload brass but I'm going to get an rcbs or Dillon somewhere down the line before I buy th rifle

You will want a single stage press for reloading precision ammo.
Read my "match ammo is too expensive" thread.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=158086

jmf_tracy
03-04-2010, 9:21 AM
JMO. go with a GAP crusader in .308, i have one and love it. the thing about .308 is that the barrel is lasting longer than all these other hot-rod calibers. also if you don't reload (and you don't yet) then there is a lot of ammo at somewhat reasonable prices. i shoot M118LR through mine and it is cheap enough and works well enough that i am pleased with it.

buffybuster
03-04-2010, 9:22 AM
The problem with having a 4k budget right from the get go, is that you don't know enough to know what you really want in a custom. I could recommend a Surgeon 591 cause I love 'em for what I do, but you may not need that. You may find that for your kind of shooting, a Bat dual port BR action is more suited to your needs. Or a Kelby, etc.

What kind of shooting do you have in mind? Precision matches? Tactical matches? Informal bench shooting? How much shooting will be done inside 600 yards? Do you reload? What kind of accuracy are you looking for at 1k? All of this will play into what will be the best for your needs.

+1 on what Ryan said.

Working from the other end, if you have $4K to spend but not sure exactly what you want; Do some research and buy a NICE optic (Premier Reticle, NF, S&B, USO, Hensoldt) for ~$2-3K and mount it to a M700P/5R (.308Win) ~$1K. LEARN to shoot and to reload with that rifle until you burn the barrel out. By then you WILL KNOW exactly what you want and how you want it setup. Then either sell your old M700 and buy a custom or have it built up. Either way, in the end, you're going to be in it for ~$6K for rifle&optics, but at least you'll have a lot of trigger time.

ar15barrels
03-04-2010, 9:29 AM
JMO. go with a GAP crusader

Place your order now for 2011 delivery! ;)

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 9:38 AM
Yea that's what I was thinking buffy. I don't know how good the barrell life is with most 308 but I was reading that with the 6.5 creedmoor you can get 3000+ of precision shooting out of it. Which is alot better than most in the 6mm classes. What is the barrel life of 308 average?

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 9:40 AM
I think I'm gonna listen to you guys though and buy some *****in optics and put it on a 700 5r and learn more tricks of the trade.

jmf_tracy
03-04-2010, 9:43 AM
Place your order now for 2011 delivery! ;)

they keep the crusaders in stock all the time. :D

jmf_tracy
03-04-2010, 9:46 AM
I think I'm gonna listen to you guys though and buy some *****in optics and put it on a 700 5r and learn more tricks of the trade.

you could also search thru the classifieds on snipershide.com and probably find a completely set up rifle with scope, bipod, case, etc. for $4K. there is a lot of nice equipment over there.

rksimple
03-04-2010, 9:59 AM
I think I'm gonna listen to you guys though and buy some *****in optics and put it on a 700 5r and learn more tricks of the trade.

This is a good plan. A good rifle with fantastic optics will be great. A great rifle with mediocre optics will be mediocre.

buffybuster
03-04-2010, 10:07 AM
Yea that's what I was thinking buffy. I don't know how good the barrell life is with most 308 but I was reading that with the 6.5 creedmoor you can get 3000+ of precision shooting out of it. Which is alot better than most in the 6mm classes. What is the barrel life of 308 average?

Pretty conservatively speaking the barrel life of a .308Win is about double that of a 6.5mm and maybe triple of a 6mm..... depending upon your accuracy requirement and how hard you run them. .308Win barrel should last ~6K rds, some have more some have less.

Most OEM barrels/chambers are notoriously loose, as a result they are ~3/4-1moa shooters, though occasionally you get lucky with a real 1/2moa rifle but I think that's the exception. 3/4-1moa is all you really need in Precision Tactical rifle. In Palma/F-class better accuracy is required to be truly competitive (but no serious Palma/F-class shooter is shooting an OEM rig). A custom barrel/chamber will usually net you a genuine 1/2moa or better rifle (almost always better than the shooter skill).

By the time you get close to wearing out that .308 barrel, your skills will have developed to the point that the rifle will be the limiting factor in your performance. That's when you KNOW when to upgrade to a custom barrel/chamber job.

buffybuster
03-04-2010, 10:11 AM
This is a good plan. A good rifle with fantastic optics will be great. A great rifle with mediocre optics will be mediocre.

+1

Ryan, we must be sharing brains or something. We ALWAYS seem to be on the same page........:p

rksimple
03-04-2010, 10:32 AM
+1

Ryan, we must be sharing brains or something. We ALWAYS seem to be on the same page........:p

Lol. Its like we've been through this before or something...:)

OP-if you have the chance, come on out to a match or one of the CaPRC shoots and you can get some hands on time with various rifles and optics. That may save you some headaches in the long run.

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 10:50 AM
I'd love to go to some matches. When and where are they. I live in Ventura county. And thanks everyone for the help. I think I'm settled on getting a 308 to start.

rksimple
03-04-2010, 10:53 AM
I'd love to go to some matches. When and where are they. I live in Ventura county. And thanks everyone for the help. I think I'm settled on getting a 308 to start.

Check out the Precision Rifle Club forum:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=123

There's one coming up at A Place to Shoot in Saugus pretty soon.

Vu 308
03-04-2010, 11:09 AM
5R and a NF NXS 3-15X and a ton of trigger time will give you better mileage than buying a 4000.00 go fast rig. You'll burn barrels out before you learn how to drive it correctly.

Spend some time with Ryan and Randall. They are two of the best trigger pullers in the So Cal area in the long range tac game.

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 11:14 AM
I'll definately check it out rk. And thanks vu I'm glad to hear that cause that's what I'm gonna do.

buffybuster
03-04-2010, 11:18 AM
Lol. Its like we've been through this before or something...:)



In the immortal words of Yogi Berra:

"It's deja vu, all over again..........."

buffybuster
03-04-2010, 11:22 AM
Spend some time with Ryan and Randall. They are two of the best trigger pullers in the So Cal area in the long range tac game.

That's the truth..... Now, if only I was ten years younger or ten years older, I might be able to hang.........:rolleyes:

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 12:11 PM
I would love to shoot with any of you

upinflames2400
03-04-2010, 8:31 PM
Any of you going to angeles tomorrow?