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achee
01-26-2006, 07:11 AM
Hi, I was reading through the AR/AK FAQ as well as other posts and it seems that the general consensus is that the rifle has to have at least a 16in. barrel and an overall length of over 30inches. I was reading through the CA DOJ AW identification guide and there is nothing in there that states anything about a 16in. barrel requirement. Where does this requirement come from? Is this a federal requirement? The FAQ says:

"Add your choice of barreled upper receiver (16” minimum barrel length), add a buttstock, and you’re ready to go. Note that the overall length of your rifle must be a minimum of 30 inches or it becomes an assault weapon too."

Does it mean that it is an assault weapon under the CA definition or under the Federal definition? And if it is the Federal definition, as the Federal AW ban has now gone away, has that definition also gone away? I'm not disputing the definition here. I'm just trying to find where it came from.

Here is the reason I'm asking. I personally like the compactness of the 14.5in. barrels out there. I would like to install one on my fixed-mag AR. Now I've read that if I want to do that, I have to permanently affix a flash hider of 1.5inches or longer (such as the phantom) to make this legal (ie. welded on). Now, does that mean that if/when my receiver gets listed and I register it as an "assault weapon", does that mean at that time I can then legally use a 14.5in. barrel without a permanently affixed extension? Thanks.

Andrew

Red Flag
01-26-2006, 07:17 AM
Yes, you will need to attach the 1.5 inch adapter perm. The overall length MUST be 16 inches. The 14.5 inch barrel is classified as a SBR (Short barreled rifle). Those are NFA items :)

Chris

achee
01-26-2006, 07:22 AM
Ah... NFA. Ok. I understand now. So what about once if/when the gun is legally registered as an "assault weapon"? Does the NFA SBR 16in. requirement still stand? Thanks.

Andrew

Red Flag
01-26-2006, 07:24 AM
Nope, Still gotta be 16 inches. You have to get a permit to do the 14.5 inch barrel. Good luck getting one of those here :(

BigAL
01-26-2006, 07:32 AM
The 16" barrel requirement is a Federal law and has nothing to do with state laws or what "list" it gets added to. The accepted ways to perm attach the FS is blind pinned and welded or silver soldered.

bwiese
01-26-2006, 09:24 AM
The 16" barrel requirement is a Federal law and has nothing to do with state laws or what "list" it gets added to. The accepted ways to perm attach the FS is blind pinned and welded or silver soldered.

As BigAl said... and the 16" Fed bbl length requirement is separate from any Fed (expired) assault weapons law - it's been on the books for ages (NFA).

The 30" requirement is so it doesn't meet the CA definition of assault weapon, one of which is


A semiautomatic centerfire rifle with overall length of less than 30 inches;


- do note that this alternate definition is regardless of detachable magazine, pistol grips, etc.

Woodman
01-27-2006, 05:02 PM
When did CA add the "30 inch" rule to the list? I thought it was 26" or 26.5", the NFA34 definition.

Hopi
01-27-2006, 06:04 PM
If and/or when our off-list lowers become classified as an assault weapon in CA, can we then pay the fed $200 tax stamp and apply for a fed SBR permit?

sintax
01-27-2006, 06:12 PM
If and/or when our off-list lowers become classified as an assault weapon in CA, can we then pay the fed $200 tax stamp and apply for a fed SBR permit?

You can, but you'll be shot down. The only people getting SBR permits in CA are movie prop co's that are renting out guns.

you have a better chance of winning the new multi-state lottery and moving to a state that allows SBRs =)

Hopi
01-27-2006, 06:16 PM
I was even laughing as I typed the question, but it felt too good, I couldn't stop typing; to think that there might some legal short barrels out here, oh what a joyous notion. After the lower frenzy, I'm starting to think that anything is possible.
ROFLMAO......http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12095.htm

Mike Searson
01-27-2006, 08:05 PM
You could always move to NV!

I have the paperwork in right now for a 10" Uzi, 12" AR-15, and a 14" Remmy 870.

Among other things.
:cool:

Hopi
01-27-2006, 08:32 PM
That would be a great idea, but then I couldn't smell the ocean every morning:p Jealous about the "paperwork" though, damn you!
You could always move to NV!

I have the paperwork in right now for a 10" Uzi, 12" AR-15, and a 14" Remmy 870.

Among other things.
:cool:

wangankin
01-28-2006, 10:28 PM
That would be a great idea, but then I couldn't smell the ocean every morning:p Jealous about the "paperwork" though, damn you!

F' the ocean... You could imagine and see visions of the ocean through the mirage your glowing red barrel makes in that lovely class III state...

Turbinator
01-28-2006, 11:37 PM
SBR, like this one?

http://www.bohicatool.com/shorty1-10x5emv.jpg

Try this site:

http://www.bohicatool.com/

Turby