Why get a CCW for other states?

[kbyrd]

I must be missing something here. What's the excitement about getting a non-resident CCW permit from other states? I don't travel much, maybe that's the difference?

[m1371]

I must be missing something here. What's the excitement about getting a non-resident CCW permit from other states? I don't travel much, maybe that's the difference?

Yeah, in my opinion that's pretty much the practical purpose for getting a non-resident CCW. But then, I do travel a bit and can justify it.

Everybody has different reasons. Ask ten different people and you'll probably get ten different answers.

[kbyrd]

To be clear I don't intend my post to mean:
"You people getting CCWs for other state's a crazy nut-jobs, that's a stupid idea!"

I really am asking the question becasue I want to know. I'd hope I get the 10 different responses, that's what I'm looking for.

[BigAL]

Because word is already having CCW licenses from other states can help you get one in CA.

[Mike Searson]

Even if you don't travel much...it can help your case before your local petty tyrant when you apply for a CA CCW.

It's a little easier to make the argument when you are licensed to carry in 17+ other states. The application asks about this sort of thing and I think it was helpful when I went through it...of course I was also able to list that I had been an instructor for 18 years and had permits to carry in foreign countries as well.

[M1A Rifleman]

Because word is already having CCW licenses from other states can help you get one in CA.

REALLY, as California does not recognize or grant reciprocity to CCW's from ANY other State I would think that is bogus, but I guess I can hope it is true.

[gmcem50]

REALLY, as California does not recognize or grant reciprocity to CCW's from ANY other State I would think that is bogus, but I guess I can hope it is true.

I was told by two different individuals who are in a position to know (LEOs), having multiple non-res CCWs from other states definitely helps ease the concerns of your local SD when they are considering your application for a CA CCW. Also, I travel a lot, so I have several non-res CCWs.

[losangeles]

REALLY, as California does not recognize or grant reciprocity to CCW's from ANY other State I would think that is bogus, but I guess I can hope it is true.

To me there are two facets to this. One, is that the process (in my county anyway, LA) is totally subjective based on another person's evaluation and having a CCW elsewhere can give a smidgen of influence on the evaluator. Two, I'm thinking about the future when the political climate in my county can change (let us pray!) and having an existing CCW can help sway the evaluation, even if just a little bit.

That's my hope, anyway.

[losangeles]

Oh and another thing! I do travel a little bit, so this can help.

But I'm also thinking of this as one of those disaster preparedness things. Remember a lot of people were displaced to other states from NO after Katrina hit. If it happens in SoCal and I have to relocate somewhere, it'd be nice to have a CCW.

After all, I do other things for disaster preparedness like keep supplies, maintain bank accounts accessible in other states and other important paperwork. Having a CCW in multiple states is part of that preparedness.

[kbyrd]

So, I suspected the "helps with CA" line of thinking. At least it can't hurt and a trip to Nevada is always fun.

I like the disaster preparedness idea. My wife and I are sort of preparedness nuts and this falls right in line with that. I has never occured to me to think about a disaster relocating me, but clearly it happens.

[FreshTapCoke]

REALLY, as California does not recognize or grant reciprocity to CCW's from ANY other State I would think that is bogus, but I guess I can hope it is true.

I don't think it's meant in the way of reciprocity, but more along the lines of questioning regarding former training or relevant experience.

[M1A Rifleman]

I don't think it's meant in the way of reciprocity, but more along the lines of questioning regarding former training or relevant experience.

As for most of CA, its my understanding the training and experience has little if nothing to do with obtaining your CCW - as per the requirement for obtaining a CCW in CA, its is more along the subjective line of proving your need - which most of us may find this difficult.

[MaxQ]

What's the excitement about getting a non-resident CCW permit from other states?

Because we can!

I've also been told that having CCWs from other states (the more or longer the better) shows responsibilty and can positively influence your CA CCW application, as long as you can show good cause.

[M1A Rifleman]

Because we can!
as long as you can show good cause.

This is the issue.

[Sgt Raven]

Another thing about a out of state CCW is if you're taking a training class from one of the big name schools, some of them accept your CCW as proof that you're a good guy.

[MaxQ]

This is the issue.

Definitely.

Maybe it will just barely tip the scale in your favor. Maybe not, but the way I look at it is anything that might help is worth doing. Who knows, your county might just put more weight on it.

[grammaton76]

Ok, so which state's non-res CCW is the best to have? I don't remember which state, but I saw one that said would grant reciprocity with 35 other states... including Tennessee, which I (rarely, but sometimes) visit.

[catsupsam]

Any feedback from this fellow? It seems that he can get everything done in one sitting.
http://www.stefanidefensivefirearms.com/eventreg/events.asp

[Sgt Raven]

Ok, so which state's non-res CCW is the best to have? I don't remember which state, but I saw one that said would grant reciprocity with 35 other states... including Tennessee, which I (rarely, but sometimes) visit.

If you travel to Fla, you must get a non resident Fla permit, as they don't reconize over states non- res permits. To get a Az permit you must take a CCW class in Az.

[catsupsam]

If you travel to Fla, you must get a non resident Fla permit, as they don't reconize over states non- res permits. To get a Az permit you must take a CCW class in Az.
This flyer doesn't mention anything about having to take a class in Arizona. It says Arizona reciprocates with CCW holders from Utah?
http://www.stefanidefensivefirearms.com/ccw_training.asp

[Sgt Raven]

This flyer doesn't mention anything about having to take a class in Arizona. It says Arizona reciprocates with CCW holders from Utah?
http://www.stefanidefensivefirearms.com/ccw_training.asp

Yes, but if you want a non-res "Az issued" permit, you must take the Az CCW class in Az. Az does reconize a Ut non-res permit. When I got my Az permit their laws were tighter than now. Since I plan on moving to Az in a few years I keep my Az permit current.

[catsupsam]

Thanks for the info. My son just started school in Tucson, so I'll check out taking a class next time I visit him.

[Pablo]

If you want to apply for a CCW in different states this website contains pretty much all the info needed
http://www.packing.org/

[EBWhite]

Overall, the best out of state permit is Utah. To get it, you pay around 250, good for 5 years. Every five years it costs 10 bucks to renew it. Very easy.
You can carry in almost 30 states with it. I like showing it as my ID to people at bars and places when I pay with a credit card. I have gotten a few funny looks already :-)

Another reason is it shows you are a good canidate to get the california one because if you have a CCW in another state and you use it responsibly, then they have proof you are a decent canidate.

[EBWhite]

AZ does honor Utahs non res permit last time I checked.

[bbq_ribs]

So, I suspected the "helps with CA" line of thinking. At least it can't hurt and a trip to Nevada is always fun.

I like the disaster preparedness idea. My wife and I are sort of preparedness nuts and this falls right in line with that. I has never occured to me to think about a disaster relocating me, but clearly it happens.

hah, someone else from Mountain View. Cool!

I was thinking of getting a NV CCW just because I travel to NV a few times a year. And it certainly can't hurt anything by getting one. *shrug*

[NeoWeird]

As I was reading this I was waiting for the topic of other state's recognizing it coming up.

The nice thing about getting an out of state CCW, especially one of the more respected ones, is that in many cases you can take a road trip to most other states and just pull over after the state line, load up your pistol, and go CC from then on out. Even if you are driving to Kentucky or Texas, at least you won't need to worry about it because it's already on your side as you pull into the state (just make sure your license is recognized by any state you drive through also).

I've been putting off my CCW for lack of a proper carry piece and back up (money has been tight with me preparing to get married, and this whole lower business didn't help) but maybe I will grab a Utah CCW so that I can say "I've had a CCW license outside of California for [time frame] now." It coudln't hurt, of course living in (nearly shall issue) San Bernardino and having death threats emailed to me from my fiancee's ex-boyfriend is probably good enough as it is.

[Paladin]

I'm also thinking of this as one of those disaster preparedness things. Remember a lot of people were displaced to other states from NO after Katrina hit. If it happens in SoCal and I have to relocate somewhere, it'd be nice to have a CCW.... Having a CCW in multiple states is part of that preparedness.

I used the Katrina disaster to encourage a friend in FL to get a CWP for himself & his wife, saying you never know when you'll have to evacuate your home because of a hurricane and you'll probably be driving out w/your kids w/as many possessions as you can in *separate* vehicles.

Now, because of your post, I'll encourage friends in CA to get either FL or UT permits because we never know when a major earthquake (like 1906 SF quake) or terrorist strike (dirty bomb/nuke/biological) might require a massive evacuation *out-of-state*. Having a widely recognized CWP will allow us to carry in our new states, where we're more likely: (1) to accidentally make a wrong turn or take a wrong off ramp and find ourselves in a bad part of town, or (2) to look lost, shocked, and/or depressed, and thus appear as vulnerable, inviting targets.

[gloxter]

It is easy to get as long as you aren't a "bad guy". Hands down, it is the most valuable permit to have. And, unlike what was posted a few responses above, they DO NOT cost $250.00! If you are willing to do a little big of legwork, you can get the class for FREE, and the instructor will fly to you to teach the course! Here's how I got mine: I contacted a gentleman by the name of W. Clark Aposhian in Utah. He's a respected individual who is the NRA-ILA go-to guy for the state; AND he also writes and advocates pro-gun laws and causes for his state and region. If you get a MINIMUM of 10 students fully paid up for tuition and live next to or close by a sizeable airport, he'll fly to your location to teach the class. The person responsible for organizing the class gets it for free. All I did was pick him up at the airport. Another student returned him after the class (1 day). Mind you, he doesn't make his living from teaching Californians, as he has other endeavors I won't disclose here (not my place), but he will, and does, travel to California a couple of times a year.

For the students, he usually charges about a $100.00; the UT Dept. of Public Safety has a small charge for the application, and you'll need to get a notary to come verify signatures towards the end of class. Clark took care of everything; teaching, fingerprints, ID photograph, and taking the forms back to UT. I had a co-workers dad (LEO) come in to take care of the Notarization for $10.00 a piece, a VERY fair rate. The entire class had their permits within two weeks. The FBI background check can, and probably will take longer, but you shouldn't carry until you get it anyway (duh).

As I've mentioned earlier, Clark is a very busy man. If you go out to the Utah Department of Public Safety's website, you can do a search for California instructors who are certified to teach the Utah course content in our state. That is where you may run into $250 tuition fees. Just be sure your instructor isn't a hack job only in it for the money. There aren't a ton of certified instructors in our state, but they are scattered about, and you should be able to find one fairly close by. Phone numbers are listed on the UT DPS website.

Will it help your chances of obtaining a CA permit? I can't say, as I had my CA permit prior to taking the UT course. Can it hurt? I say no.

Best of luck to you in your pursuit.

-gloxter

[xenophobe]

Another Mtn View resident here.... perhaps we should get a South Bay UT CCW class organized!

I know a number of people that would be interested in something like this... 10 people should be easy... the class could end up being 20-30 people...

[gmcem50]

Thanks for the info. My son just started school in Tucson, so I'll check out taking a class next time I visit him.

Arizona and Nevada both have a statutory requirment that their classes are to be taken "within the borders of the state", but Utah does not. In light of that, why wouldn't you just go for the Utah permit, since AZ honors it and it would (presumably) be easier/more convenient to get?

I took my Utah class in my own kitchen. A very good friend of mine is a certified Utah instructor, and similar to what another poster described, (but on a smaller scale) he came to my house to teach the class because I rounded up enough warm paying bodies to make it worth his while. With my non-res Utah permit I can carry in Arizona so I didn't see the need to travel there and take a class to get an Arizona permit.

[JimAmentler]

The Utah permit is an excellent way to go and is easy to obtain. Just about 3 hours of instrution and no live fire requirements. Gloxter hit all of the highlights in his post above.

I am a Utah instructor and usually do classes in the Sacramento area and Los Angeles area as I travel between Camp Pendleton and Sacramento. Mtn. View is just a short drive from Sacramento and I would be happy to spend the day teaching in your area. No matter who you choose as an instructor, feel free to contact me on or off list if you have a questions.

[Boarding-Team-Leader]

I would be interested in attending a class with or without a group on this board. Logistically taking it here in Santa Clara County would be a plus.
Count me in if anyone takes the initiative to set up a class.
BTL

[xenophobe]

I'm trying to get more information to schedule a class in San Jose. This will probably happen.

[StuckInCA]

When I was looking at the Utah and Florida permits, I was told it was a good idea to get "incase a national CCW law is passed", anyone with a current CCW would be grandfathered in.



-Andy

[gmcem50]

When I was looking at the Utah and Florida permits, I was told it was a good idea to get "incase a national CCW law is passed", anyone with a current CCW would be grandfathered in.



-Andy

Yeah I heard that too. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Even in the unlikely event that National Reciprocity is passed, states like MD, IL, NJ (and so on) would mount hysterical legal challenges tying it up for years.

[xenophobe]

CLASSES WILL BE TAKING PLACE IN SAN JOSE

Stay tuned for an official notice sometime tomorrow. If all goes as planned, there will be signups available through telephone with a cc deposit, and in-store signup available in San Jose.

Minimum 5 people, and I think the maximum will be determined by how much room we can make at the store, but I would guess no more than 15 people. It will most likely be a Sunday. Possibly really soon. Like 2-3 weeks.

I'll inform everyone of the specifics; location, times available, and try to get something most everyone can accomadate when I can guarantee this will happen.

UPDATE: 4 people have already committed without official announcement (Due tomorrow evening).

[Boarding-Team-Leader]

What and where is your store in San Jose?
BTL

[NeoWeird]

So you want to get a Utah CCW but can't find an instructor near you?

http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/insoutstate.pdf

ETA: It's nice that California makes up nearly a whole page of the 5 page document of all out of state Utah certified instructors.

[Pablo]

CLASSES WILL BE TAKING PLACE IN SAN JOSE
Minimum 5 people, and I think the maximum will be determined by how much room we can make at the store, but I would guess no more than 15 people. It will most likely be a Sunday. Possibly really soon. Like 2-3 weeks.

UPDATE: 4 people have already committed without official announcement (Due tomorrow evening).

This is great, specially because it's in SJ! I'm in! :) So I guess I will be number 5 ;)

[Pablo]

What and where is your store in San Jose?
BTL

Since this is going to be happening in San Jose, I'm pretty sure Reed's indoor range is the store that "xenophobe" is talking about.

[ghostrider4evr]

+1 I would be interested in this.

[xenophobe]

Actually, it won't be Reeds. It will be someplace else.

PM me your full name and telephone number if you're interested, and I'll make confirmation calls tomorrow, if everything is approved.

I'll also start a thread with full details once everything is hashed out.

[rips31]

Actually, it won't be Reeds. It will be someplace else.

PM me your full name and telephone number if you're interested, and I'll make confirmation calls tomorrow, if everything is approved.

I'll also start a thread with full details once everything is hashed out.
pm sent. if i hear soon enuf, i may be able to cancel the ut ccw class i signed up for in march in colorado...thanks for organizing.

[Charles B.]

Yeah I heard that too. I wouldn't hold my breath though. Even in the unlikely event that National Reciprocity is passed, states like MD, IL, NJ (and so on) would mount hysterical legal challenges tying it up for years.


I saw this link posted on another forum http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=189.

[gmcem50]

I saw this link posted on another forum http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=189.

I am familiar with Rep. Stearns' bill. I guess I am a little (a lot?) more pessimistic about it's passage than the NRA-ILA is.