Kern County CCW

[EBWhite]

Hello-
I am a registered voter and resident of Kern County (not within a city or anything) and spend most of my time in Kern and Los angeles county where my parents live.

I am 21 years old, spotless record, not your typical punk kid. I believe owning guns is a right and carrying is a right too. I already have my Utah permit and have used it correctly.

I know Kern is easy to get a permit in but in my situation I'm not sure. I know they look down on young men like myself having these permits. The best reason I can think of for the application is I do a lot of camping in the wooded areas of california and for my personal protection and protection of other law abiding citizens. I can also say that I do a lot of ebay and internet sales and handle money in that way. What do you guys think my odds are of getting one?
Does kern require and interview or just the application and background check?

Thanks!
Erik

[shopkeep]

Fortunately for you, the Sheriff of Kern county not only understands the value and importance of CCWs but to my knowledge is a 2nd amendment supporter. Obtaining a CCW there should not be difficult providing you have a clean criminal record and there are no current restrictions preventing you from obtaining such a permit. If only things were this simple for the rest of the state...

[EBWhite]

3 years ago I attended the CRPA Banquet Dinner and either the head sheriff or the guy right under him spoke at the event. He said he was proud that Kern held the highest CCW per capita (from what I remember) and he also said that any law abiding citizen of Kern will get a permit. If mine gets denied maybe I will set up a meeting with him and get him to honor his promise :-)

Anyone else have any ideas or know anyone younger like myself getting a permit in Kern?

Thanks
Erik

[tenpercentfirearms]

I got mine when I was 22 and 10 months old. The only possible problem with claiming that you do a lot of eBay is they might wonder where your business license is. Do your parents own a business? You want to try and stick to the business side, but DO NOT LIE! Now where is your residence in Kern County? You said you are not in the city, so if you can say you live in the sticks and you have to carry money and you go from your house to town at all hours, that will help too and will probably be a sufficient reason. I would stay away from protecting others as justification. Just figure out a way to make yourself have money to transport and if you live in the sticks say you have to travel the dark, deserted roads of Kern County at all hours. That should be sufficient. Stay away from protecting others and declaring your 2nd Amendment rights. And before you do anything, go take your 8 hour course.

[goldenempirearms]

I'm on my 3rd CCW (2 counties in CA, 2 states).

Get a home business license (I'm guessing at $30). On your application state that "You are a business owner, who handles cash"

As for the self protection reason.... The county probbly sees so many of those... it sounds kinda canned.

Other reasons that sound good: Travel late at night, carry valubles to carriers for shipment to customers... Be creative

Use these as they may apply to you. Don't worry about the age, I got my 1st California CCW when I was 20 years old (Yes 20, not 21!).:)

[jnojr]

I'm on my 3rd CCW (2 counties in CA, 2 states).

Why more than one CA CCW? They're good statewide...

[Rob Jones]

For my Kern County CCW (and prior to that, Bakersfield PD-issued CCW) I used my C&R FFL (Curios and Relics Federal Fireams License) as my CCW reason. A C&R FFL costs $30.00 for three years, and even if you never buy a C&R long gun with it, Midway and Brownells will give you dealer prices on all their merchandise with a C&R FFL. It won't take long at all to save the $30.00 you spent for the C&R License.

To receive the paperwork to get your C&R, phone the ATF licensing people at 404-417-2750 to request the paperwork.

BTW, the paperwork is simple, and as long as you have a clean record, you will be issued the license. Note that a C&R FFL is only good for collecting firearms; you are NOT allowed to be in the business of sellilng firearms.

Rob

[grammaton76]

Why more than one CA CCW? They're good statewide...

Well, I believe if you move, you can't just keep renewing at your previous county of residence. Which is probably a total pain for folks who move from a CCW-friendly county to a CCW-unfriendly county.

Now, I've heard that Orange County is totally CCW-friendly, but I've also heard that it's only CCW-friendly if you make donations to the police benevolent association. Can anyone confirm? Is that kinda normal in CA? It sounds kinda like bribery to me...

[EBWhite]

The place is Kern County that I am at is Kernville (near Lake Isabella)
I do ebay sales, do not have a business license. I do travel alot between Los Angeles and Kern as my parents live in Los Angeles I do go to school 2 times a week in LA but my DL and voter reg is in Kern and I have been a resident of the county for over 1 year now.
I called the KCSD, they told me to apply first then take the class after I was given a notification that I would qualify for it. Otherwise, if i do the class first and don't qualify, then I am out the money for the class.
So far it seems that my reason is wilderness travel and camping and using the C&R license as a reason too.
As long as they do not restrict my license to those activities (I dont think they would), am I correct that I can carry in any county in California at anytime?

Thanks guys, you guys are the best!
Erik

[goldenempirearms]

Cause I moved, and a CCW is only valid as long as the info in the license is correct...including your address.

[Rob Jones]

The place is Kern County that I am at is Kernville (near Lake Isabella)
I do ebay sales, do not have a business license. I do travel alot between Los Angeles and Kern as my parents live in Los Angeles I do go to school 2 times a week in LA but my DL and voter reg is in Kern and I have been a resident of the county for over 1 year now.
I called the KCSD, they told me to apply first then take the class after I was given a notification that I would qualify for it. Otherwise, if i do the class first and don't qualify, then I am out the money for the class.
So far it seems that my reason is wilderness travel and camping and using the C&R license as a reason too.
As long as they do not restrict my license to those activities (I dont think they would), am I correct that I can carry in any county in California at anytime?

Thanks guys, you guys are the best!
Erik

If you get a CCW from the KCSD, it will NOT have any restrictions; and it's valid in all CA counties (and in some other states, too! see packing.org for details).

Rob

[tenpercentfirearms]

YOU CANNOT TAKE YOUR CCW WITH YOU TO A NEW COUNTY! Once you move shop, you are done.

EBWhite. You are set. Here is what I would put if I were you.

I live in Kernville and have to travel constantly for business and for every day needs to Bakersfield and Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particullary at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety.

I think with that you would be pretty well served. What do the rest of you guys think?

[xYourLocalAR15x]

dang, now ya'll got me wanting one. Anyone know how hard it is to get a CCW in palmsprings?

[EBWhite]

Ten-
Thanks a bunch, you are a standup guy. Do you teach a CCW class for kern?

LocalAR- what county is palm springs in?

[Rob Jones]

YOU CANNOT TAKE YOUR CCW WITH YOU TO A NEW COUNTY! Once you move shop, you are done.

EBWhite. You are set. Here is what I would put if I were you.

I live in Kernville and have to travel constantly for business and for every day needs to Bakersfield and Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particullary at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety.

I think with that you would be pretty well served. What do the rest of you guys think?

This is a great 'letter'. The only comment I have is that the original poster says he does not have a business license. If the KCSD decides to interview him, he might have to justify the business aspect, and without a business license, that might get dicey.

I wasn't interviewed by KCSD when I got my permit from them as they considered it a renewal of my soon to expire Bakersfield PD permit (I had just moved to Tehachapi) so I don't know if the sheriff agency does interviews or not..

Rob

[EBWhite]

Other than speaking of my internet sales, i was going to talk about needing a permit for my camping adventures. Everyone in Kern that I know that has a permit like this used that excuse.

[xYourLocalAR15x]

Ten-
Thanks a bunch, you are a standup guy. Do you teach a CCW class for kern?

LocalAR- what county is palm springs in?


crap, it's riverside county :(

[EBWhite]

You might have a chance in Riverside county, but according to packing.org, it is much harder than kern county...it is always worth a try though!

[Rob Jones]

Other than speaking of my internet sales, i was going to talk about needing a permit for my camping adventures. Everyone in Kern that I know that has a permit like this used that excuse.

Well, not exactly...Since you sortof know me, I used my C&R FFL to get my original permit from Bakersfield PD, and used the same letter when I changed to Kern County Sheriff...

Rob

[ady]

You might have a chance in Riverside county, but according to packing.org, it is much harder than kern county...it is always worth a try though!

i had a shop in isabella at the time of application.my letter to carl sparks was:
i have an automotive repair shop and alot of customer pay with cash.also the goegraphic location is somewhat undesirable,in addition to this during the winter months it becomes dark earlier.i fear for my social existance while making large deposits to the bank.i also feel that familiarlaraty breeds contempt and always feel that i could be mugged at any time.
your concideration is much appreciated in this matter.
yours respectfully.
# 1 reason for being considered is cash and travelling into crap areas.
call the kcsd in bakersfield and ask for there application packet.the woman is named DEE. they will send it out the next day,fill out the forms with your reasons to be concidered and wait.upon approval you go quilify wich is a lot of fun.powers security do the training.class and shoot 50 rounds.then go down with your cirtificate and pay them $230 for 2 years i think.you are allowed 3 guns per permit which must be registered to you.kern county is not hard at all for a carry permit i have had 1 for 10 years now and hardly use it unless i am going to B town or making those large deposits ........yeh right. i am retired now but i still keep it current
good luck
sorry for the bad spelling

[Telpierion]

Would saying my gun club is a bit off the beaten path and when I go I'm in the habit of taking several gun and a lot of ammunition and that if I was assaulted the assailant would end up with enough firearms to arm a small street gang be a good enough reason in Kern?

[HillBilly]

Anyone from SB county have any wise words? I hear it is easy..maybe not kern easy, but not communist country either.


BTW...nice to see fellows from Lake Isabella/Kernville checking in! I grew up in Isabella...and keep wanting to make it back there someday!

[EBWhite]

I am very excited about getting my application. I will call tomorrow for it.

they offer a CCW class at the gun range in kernville every so often by the power's place. Gotta figure out the next date for one.

I guess for my 3 guns, my SA 1911, my little .32 seecamp (the one carried most often), and either the new XD that I want or maybe a small revolver. I dunno yet.

How about this for my reason, what do you guys think (thank you to all that have helped:

I live in Kernville and have to travel weekly for school and business to Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particularly at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety. I am also an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals.

If you guys have any suggestions on things to change that might possibly get me denied, please let me know

Thanks
Erik

[Justang]

I am very excited about getting my application. I will call tomorrow for it.

they offer a CCW class at the gun range in kernville every so often by the power's place. Gotta figure out the next date for one.

I guess for my 3 guns, my SA 1911, my little .32 seecamp (the one carried most often), and either the new XD that I want or maybe a small revolver. I dunno yet.

How about this for my reason, what do you guys think (thank you to all that have helped:

I live in Kernville and have to travel weekly for school and business to Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particularly at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety. I am also an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals.

If you guys have any suggestions on things to change that might possibly get me denied, please let me know

Thanks
Erik


In the hiker part, I'd add something like "I am also an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest, far from any law enforcement, and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals.'

Also add that you are a shooter and transport guns and ammo which may make you a target for the criminal element. It couldn't hurt to have many reasons. I had 3 reasons for my CCW. They got back to me in 2 weeks.

I got the .pdf Application and filled it out on the computer. Makes it look nicer IMO.

I took the Powers course out at 5 dogs range and it was awesome. He even stayed late with me and gave me some shooting tips with my different guns. Very nice couple.

[ady]

I am very excited about getting my application. I will call tomorrow for it.

they offer a CCW class at the gun range in kernville every so often by the power's place. Gotta figure out the next date for one.

I guess for my 3 guns, my SA 1911, my little .32 seecamp (the one carried most often), and either the new XD that I want or maybe a small revolver. I dunno yet.

How about this for my reason, what do you guys think (thank you to all that have helped:

I live in Kernville and have to travel weekly for school and business to Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particularly at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety. I am also an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals.

If you guys have any suggestions on things to change that might possibly get me denied, please let me know

Thanks
Erik

this may not fly as it is illigal to carry on campus.

[tenpercentfirearms]

No it is not. You can carry to any school in California. Please read the Penal Code and see for yourself. I believe it is in the 600s somewhere.

[EBWhite]

Justang-
Where did you get the PDF app from?
and thank you for the advice

Ang-
I would not carry on campus of course but I see your logic. The only reason I am leary of mentioning only "my ebay business" is because I dont just come to LA for business. I don't want to make it seem like im running a huge business. I mainly come to LA for school 2 days out of the week.

This might be better (changes in bold):

I live in Kernville and have to travel weekly for business and school to Los Angeles and often late at night. Due to the remoteness and lack of cell phone reception in the Kern River Canyon, I feel particularly at risk while traveling through this area and would like to be able to lawfully carry a concealed weapon for my own safety during the commute.In my free time, I am an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest, far from any law enforcement, and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals. I am also a avid shooter and transport guns and ammo which makes myself an easy target for the criminal element.


Now what do you guys think?? :-)

[Justang]

No it is not. You can carry to any school in California. Please read the Penal Code and see for yourself. I believe it is in the 600s somewhere.

Per my handout from Powers Security... Places you cannot carry: Courthouse, federal buildings, state buildings, commercial airports, commercial airlines, schools, and in bars. You cannot carry have you have been drinking (0 tolerance) or have taken mood/judgement altering substances.

For some reason I thought you could carry at schools. PC 171 states all the places you can't... but does that pertain to CCW people? damn, I'm confused now. I don't carry at any of those places anyway.

Per the Powers course, the Sheriff of Kern has said he would like people not to carry in resturants and banks. Of course this is a request and not the law.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/mgt_serv/licensing/ca_ccw_app.pdf

[tenpercentfirearms]

Yeah I argued that with Powers too, but they of course know better.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=27443&highlight=626

We just went over this in another thread. Powers might tell you no, Martial Arms just told me yes and more importantly the Penal Code tells me yes. I too use to think I couldn't carry at schools. Now I know better.

The main factor I use is the metal detector rule. If there is a metal detector, they don't want me to carry there. If there isn't a metal detector, they don't mind. Concealed means concealed.

[islanderman7]

No it is not. You can carry to any school in California. Please read the Penal Code and see for yourself. I believe it is in the 600s somewhere.

really?!?! thats a bit radical. most college campuses, espesially my Christian College in Santa Barbara, policies says that youcannot have a gun on campus. is it because its private school i cannot bring a gun, even w/ a ccw permit?

[tenpercentfirearms]

You can lawfully carry a firearm onto your school's campus. They can lawfully expell you for violating their code of conduct. They can have you escorted from campus for tresspassing. They cannot prosecute you for having a firearm on campus, if you have your CCW permit.

Again, concealed means concealed, so how are they ever going to know? And if you do get in a shooting, you probably won't mind getting expelled as an alternative to being dead.

[islanderman7]

You can lawfully carry a firearm onto your school's campus. They can lawfully expell you for violating their code of conduct. They can have you escorted from campus for tresspassing. They cannot prosecute you for having a firearm on campus, if you have your CCW permit.

Again, concealed means concealed, so how are they ever going to know? And if you do get in a shooting, you probably won't mind getting expelled as an alternative to being dead.

i see, that makes sense

[wangankin]

I live in San Gabriel, CA (LA County)... Is there anyway for me to get a CCW from another county? Must I take up residence in that county?

[tenpercentfirearms]

You must take up residence. No way around it.

[Adventurer_96]

I'm waiting on submitting my application with the KCSD to see if I get orders out of CA. If not, then I'll go ahead and submit my application. I've already taken the course, there's an instructor in the Mojave area who did a very good class, I was happy both with his shooting course of fire as well as his discussion on the legal implications of carrying.

It's funny, I moved here from Utah. I could carry in Utah almost anywhere (UT permit) but never really felt the need to carry. I moved here, and immediately felt the desire to carry, but I couldn't.

[Jeff Rambo]

Re: School Carry-
Between 2004-2005, I did my police academy training at El Camino College in Torrance, CA. At the advisory of our Senior Tactical Officer, I wrote a letter stating my need to have my firearm on campus with me during our training and had it signed by the Chief of Police for ECC. I was also taking regular courses at ECC during this time.

Without this letter, firearms were prohibited on campus.

Re: L.A. County-
Based on previous accounts from packing.org, I hear Culver City is the best place within L.A. County to apply since the CCPD does not refer you to LASD, as some other cities do. Up until he retired, their previous Chief was very PRO-CCW and had a shall issue stance. Not sure if this carried over to the new chief or not. Can anyone confirm this or otherwise list CCW-friendly cities within L.A. County that allow direct application to the City PD rather than LASD?

[EBWhite]

*UPDATE*

Went yesterday and picked up my application for the kern CCW.

Filled it all out, on the interviewers notes I stated I was student which is what I am and left out the part i do eBay sales part time.

My main question is , they ask for 2 proofs of residency.
I have a phone bill in my name for the residence.

For my other proof, I have my drivers license. However, we do not get mail at my residence and must use a POBox. DMV does not print the physical address and mailing on a DL, so my DL on the card only shows the PObox, however, if you look at the DL on the computer, it will show both. The application scared me since it said the DL must show a physical address. The DMV is of no help they said they only show the mailing address. Any clues on what i can do or if im overexagerating?

[otteray]

Justang- [/B]In my free time, I am an avid hiker and camper who spends lots of time alone in the wooded areas of the Sequoia National Forest, far from any law enforcement, and feel that lawfully carrying a concealed weapon would keep myself safe from possible encounters with wild animals or criminals. I am also a avid shooter and transport guns and ammo which makes myself an easy target for the criminal element.


Now what do you guys think?? :-)

You are already allowed to carry in a Nat' Forest - just not CCW

[EBWhite]

anyone have a clue about my last question

[ady]

I would look at it this way :If you are scared of the kern river canyon then why not go a different way.You can have a gun with you while backpacking or camping legally,so why do you need a permit?.Annimals dont care if you have it concealed or not nor do criminals.In fact it is better to carry a rifle in the back country like a 30.30 and pack a 44mag.P.O. box will not work ..........??? Why do you need a permit is the question? and i do not think that your reasons are strong enough.

[Justang]

I would look at it this way :If you are scared of the kern river canyon then why not go a different way.You can have a gun with you while backpacking or camping legally,so why do you need a permit?.Annimals dont care if you have it concealed or not nor do criminals.In fact it is better to carry a rifle in the back country like a 30.30 and pack a 44mag.P.O. box will not work ..........??? Why do you need a permit is the question? and i do not think that your reasons are strong enough.

Who are you to question wether he needs a permit? Or question his driving routes. It should simply be that he want's one, and he gets one. With his current reasons, he'll most likely get one. Kern has not problem giving them out.

[Justang]

anyone have a clue about my last question

You need two forms of residency at that address. P.O. Box doesn't apply. Do you have any other sort of mail there?

[ady]

Who are you to question wether he needs a permit? Or question his driving routes. It should simply be that he want's one, and he gets one. With his current reasons, he'll most likely get one. Kern has not problem giving them out.

I KNEW IT! if you were the one reviewing the application,then you would try and exhaust all other avenues first.i am not questioning his "wanting" to have one but merley poining out why his reasons are not strong enough in my opinion.as usual my posts get taken out of context.

[ady]

oh and thanks justang for the negative feedback this place is worse than fleabay

[Justang]

I don't leave negative feedback. Only positive. I wasn't all that upset with you, I was just pointing out that you should not be questioning his need. If you notice I gave you positive feedback in my listed lower thread. I can't give you any more feedback yet. ;)

Having received a CCW from this county, I used pretty much that exact wording. I am in the medical field, so I think that helped me a lot. But many in Kern have gotten it by saying they travel far from law enforcement and they are avid shooters that carry guns and ammo. Kern is the closest Cali can get to "shall issue

No hard feelings on this end.

[ady]

I don't leave negative feedback. Only positive. I wasn't all that upset with you, I was just pointing out that you should not be questioning his need. If you notice I gave you positive feedback in my listed lower thread. I can't give you any more feedback yet. ;)

Having received a CCW from this county, I used pretty much that exact wording. I am in the medical field, so I think that helped me a lot. But many in Kern have gotten it by saying they travel far from law enforcement and they are avid shooters that carry guns and ammo. Kern is the closest Cali can get to "shall issue

No hard feelings on this end.

non taken here then.if this letter will fly then he is good to go.when i got mine i used the reason for my machine shop and making large deposits .I think that you can say just about anything in kern and it will fly.
you are correct on the "shall issue" kern is the break away state in kalifornia and love the location.bakersfield is growing at a very fast rate,in turn this will become overpopulated in time.
If the home prices stay high this will keep alot of bottom feeding "dirtbags"out,however i hope they don't migrate up here in the kern valley as we have a problem with tweakers as it is.time to get a permit is now they wont get any easier in the future.

[EBWhite]

Ady- Your comments in the beginning were a little out of line but it seems you didnt mean what you said and you were misunderstood. Sorry, I am a law abiding citizen and should be allowed to carry without question. I can choose any route and any reason. I shouldnt need a reason. I want to carry a gun for my own protection and to protect others. Utah did not require a reason. Heck, i've only visited Utah once and they were happy to give me one!

Anyways, thanks for the comments Justang.
According to the DMV, my physical address in kernville is on file as is my mailing address in kernville. My physical address does not get mail and i can only get mail at my PO BOX. DMV wont print two addresses on the card but if anyone looked my record up in the DMV computer, it would show my physical and mailing address. I do have a telephone at my residence too so that counts as one proof. I'm just wondering if i'm going to get screwed since dmv will only print the mail address on a DL. Even though looking in their computer shows both my mailing and physical....

Thanks
Erik

[Justang]

Ady- Your comments in the beginning were a little out of line but it seems you didnt mean what you said and you were misunderstood. Sorry, I am a law abiding citizen and should be allowed to carry without question. I can choose any route and any reason. I shouldnt need a reason. I want to carry a gun for my own protection and to protect others. Utah did not require a reason. Heck, i've only visited Utah once and they were happy to give me one!

Anyways, thanks for the comments Justang.
According to the DMV, my physical address in kernville is on file as is my mailing address in kernville. My physical address does not get mail and i can only get mail at my PO BOX. DMV wont print two addresses on the card but if anyone looked my record up in the DMV computer, it would show my physical and mailing address. I do have a telephone at my residence too so that counts as one proof. I'm just wondering if i'm going to get screwed since dmv will only print the mail address on a DL. Even though looking in their computer shows both my mailing and physical....

Thanks
Erik


That's actually a good question. I'd call the Kern Co Sheriff in Bakersfield and ask them. The utilities at my apt are not in my name, but my GF's. They said it was ok if I included a utility bill in her name with a letter from her stating I lived there, but the utilities were in her name. It worked for me. Call them up.

[ady]

Iwas looking at it from the sherrifs point of view,and thought that they might find it a little on the weak side.i would mention that you feel for your social existance as the kern canyon can be a gauntlet for trouble.
you will get one dont worry!
can you get a cal id in your name showing your address up here?

[ocean]

That's actually a good question. I'd call the Kern Co Sheriff in Bakersfield and ask them. The utilities at my apt are not in my name, but my GF's. They said it was ok if I included a utility bill in her name with a letter from her stating I lived there, but the utilities were in her name. It worked for me. Call them up.


I purchased a handgun recently in my county (orange) using a notorized letter from my roommate stating that I lived at my current address. That was sufficient proof of residence for the state of kalifornia, according to the shop I purchased it from.


My question is, what would be the legalities of making my residence in kern co, but still living in orange county? so, "officially" i live in kern, but work/travel to orange/LA counties. Anyone tried this?

[xrMike]

A little off-topic, but somewhat related...

I don't know if this has been posted before, but here's a table showing the number of CCW permits doled out yearly, from 1990 to 2003, by each California county:

http://caag.state.ca.us//firearms/forms/pdf/ccwissuances.pdf

Kern is definitely king.

My county is very near the bottom of the list, with only "xx" permits given out in 2003! That's almost as bad as San Francisco! This number totally jives with what I've heard from locals who've been around for years -- you only get a CCW in our town if you're one of the sherrif's fishing or card-playing buddies... :rolleyes:

45,120 total permits in 2003, in a state with a population of how many million? And I'm guessing half of those went to active or retired cops, not your average joe.

[Paladin]

(initial response a mistake)

[EBWhite]

I believe what ocean wants could possibly be done. However, you need a physical residence in kern with utilities. All you voting stuff needs to be in kern too. Having a full time job in OC might cause you to not pass the application.
Just because you have a perm residence does not need you need to be there all the time. You are allowed to come and go as you please as long as you have proof of a residence and all your records are at that place.

[Jeff Rambo]

While there is no law restricting anyone from having multiple residences, you are already in a county that is basically shall-issue. So just apply in OC.

[EBWhite]

So another update guys on my quest to carry along with the rest of ya'll :-)


Anyways, called the Kern CCW division and the lady said that they are very easy going about my problem. She said just bring my drivers license (they can verify it in the computer since that is the only way to see my phyiscal address since the worthless DMV wont print two addys on the card). She said also bring my vehicle registration and a copy of my phone bill with a letter from the phone company saying where number is serviced at. Since once again the bill only shows once addy like the DL. Then i will be all set, just finishing up on my reason for wanting the permit. Also, they said i do not need to take the class yet, would you guys recommend taking it before i apply, or waiting till i get a pre approval???

Thanks,
EBWhite

[Paladin]

While there is no law restricting anyone from having multiple residences,

So your application does not have to be through the sheriff/CoP of your *primary* residence? In that case, I owe & offer Ocean an apology. :o

Hmmm, if what Jeff Rambo is saying is correct, then a wealthy resident of a non-permissive county (e.g., SF) could buy a second residence in a permissive county (e.g., Kern), rent out some of the rooms (to help pay the mortgage and maybe keep a small bedroom w/bed for himself to stay at while on trips to LA), pay the property taxes, keep utilities in his name, put car reg., and voting reg. there (since a Repub voting in SF local races is pointless anyway), support the local sheriff's/PD's benevolence org, join the local gun club and enter several matches over the next year, and then apply w/the sheriff of the permissive county to get a license to carry ANYWHERE in Kali, incl SF and LA? ! ! !

Hot dang! Now all I have to do is become wealthy! :D

I predict a sudden increase in Kern county residential property values.

[rips31]

Hmmm, so what you're saying is that a wealthy resident of a non-permissive county (e.g., SF) could buy a second residence in a permissive county (e.g., Kern), rent out some of the rooms (maybe leaving a small bedroom w/bed for him to stay at while on trips to LA), keep utilities in his name, put car reg., voting reg. -- since a Repub voting in SF local races is pointless anyway -- there, and get a license to carry in ALL Kali, incl SF and LA? ! ! !

Hot dang, now all I have to do is become wealthy! :D
uh, i believe sf's sherrif is on record saying he does not issue ccw. so, most likely, you hafta be a politician or celeb or big donor to the sfpd and try get the sfpd chief to issue you a ccw. considering that the 10 or so issued in sf are to retired leo, politicians, and judges, good luck.

[Paladin]

uh, i believe sf's sherrif is on record saying he does not issue ccw. so, most likely, you hafta be a politician or celeb or big donor to the sfpd and try get the sfpd chief to issue you a ccw. considering that the 10 or so issued in sf are to retired leo, politicians, and judges, good luck.

I guess forgot to mention that the wealthy resident of the non-permissive county would apply in the permissive county where he has his second residence. I'll edit that post to clarify.

What the Sheriff/CoP of SF doesn't know can't harm me! ;)

[EBWhite]

Yup paladin your idea would pan out! :-)

[mblat]

I predict a sudden increase in Kern county residential property values.

I looked. :) Unfortunatly they are not as low as one would think they would be:mad:
:)

[ady]

So another update guys on my quest to carry along with the rest of ya'll :-)


Anyways, called the Kern CCW division and the lady said that they are very easy going about my problem. She said just bring my drivers license (they can verify it in the computer since that is the only way to see my phyiscal address since the worthless DMV wont print two addys on the card). She said also bring my vehicle registration and a copy of my phone bill with a letter from the phone company saying where number is serviced at. Since once again the bill only shows once addy like the DL. Then i will be all set, just finishing up on my reason for wanting the permit. Also, they said i do not need to take the class yet, would you guys recommend taking it before i apply, or waiting till i get a pre approval???

Thanks,
EBWhite
Eric get the approval first then you can take the class at the range up here .

[EBWhite]

Yes, there is a CCW class at the Kern Shooting Range this weekend. Near Cyrus Canyon. I was planning on going to it, but i think i'll wait so im not out the money...

[ady]

Yes, there is a CCW class at the Kern Shooting Range this weekend. Near Cyrus Canyon. I was planning on going to it, but i think i'll wait so im not out the money...

drive on by and get a feel for the class,it's amusing.Get there around 8am or so.

[ocean]

So your application does not have to be through the sheriff/CoP of your *primary* residence? In that case, I owe & offer Ocean an apology. :o

Hmmm, if what Jeff Rambo is saying is correct, then a wealthy resident of a non-permissive county (e.g., SF) could buy a second residence in a permissive county (e.g., Kern), rent out some of the rooms (to help pay the mortgage and maybe keep a small bedroom w/bed for himself to stay at while on trips to LA), pay the property taxes, keep utilities in his name, put car reg., and voting reg. there (since a Repub voting in SF local races is pointless anyway), support the local sheriff's/PD's benevolence org, join the local gun club and enter several matches over the next year, and then apply w/the sheriff of the permissive county to get a license to carry ANYWHERE in Kali, incl SF and LA? ! ! !

Hot dang! Now all I have to do is become wealthy! :D

I predict a sudden increase in Kern county residential property values.


what if you just rented a room? Why go through all the trouble of owning it and renting it out?

is just renting it sufficient proof of residency?

[EBWhite]

still waiting for a call back on my appeal...we will see. you will need your drivers license saying your rented address and a lease agreement stating your rented room. remember, stretch the truth and even lie (if you can back it up) on your reason to make sure you get your permit. im pist at the KCSD right now.

[Bill_in_SD]

Instead of stretching anything,

*Be prepared when going to apply*

It is unfortunate that you were denied, had I not found www.californiaccw.org before applying, I may have ended up with doing an appeal. Others have had the same problem. This site helps with 'what you don't know that you don't know'. It is not that we are all unorganized or unlawful. You started out right by tapping the resources you know - calguns.net. Unfortunately here and Packing.org is not enough, so someone created californiaccw.org to deal with the specifics.

Read through the forums for other's experiences. I encourage all California residents to go over and check it out, if only to learn about the Public Records Act and how to use it. Then learn the nuances of your local jurisdiction.

The Public Records Act sets you up to understand what each issuing authority is looking for - some examples of what qualifies in what county have been given in this thread. (San Fran versus Orange County is a prime example.)

If you have a little time and motivation - introduce yourself to others in your county and help out with getting the information. Share *your* story - there is a valuable lesson for someone else in your story.

Good luck and use the law to your advantage.

This site is only a few months old, so I am sorry the site's timing was off. I did not start it, but wish I had thought of it.

There is still hope.

Good luck and stay safe-

Bill in SD

[Mark in Eureka]

Of course you should appeal. If you do not feel that confidant in yourself, why should anyone else. Why should they trust you with a weapon when you turn tail at the first rough spot in the road.

It took me six years to get my permit. I started when I was 22 and did not get it until I was around 28. In my city, I was the only NEW CCW that year, already you have stated that they are issuing permits, so you are way a head of where I started at.

In the twenty-five years I have had my permit, they once decided not to re-new it. I immediately asked to meet with the Captain. I was asked if now was to soon, of course not. The Captain and I discussed things, came to an eye to eye agreement and I left the building with CCW with no restrictions.

Take the class, show them you are interested, meet people who have same goal you have and find out how they did it, talk to the instructors and ask them for advice. Keep going back, and if need be ask to see the Chief or Sherrif, but always be civil

For anyone working in the security trade, I would suggest that you invest a little money and get your Firearms Qualification Card. Which would allow you to carry a loaded weapon in public while working in uniform.