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jbooker9
02-26-2010, 9:57 PM
I've been wanting to build a top quality long range rifle. I know JP barrels are some of the best as far as accuracy. What others would you guys recomend for this type of build. Looking for something in the 18" - 20" heavy range

Jpach
02-26-2010, 10:06 PM
Kreiger, Bartlein, Rock, etc.

foxtrotuniformlima
02-26-2010, 10:10 PM
Compass Lake Engineering

FMJBT
02-26-2010, 11:29 PM
White Oak Armament, and Sabre Defense stainless barrels.

jbooker9
02-27-2010, 7:49 AM
White Oak Armament, and Sabre Defense stainless barrels.

I've been looking at both of these, and I know there not Kreiger barrels but as far as availibilty and pricing they have my vote. I was wondering if in anyone can chime in as far as the production and quality of these.

Thanks

slappomatt
02-27-2010, 7:59 AM
lol not an AR. I have been through 2 complete precision AR builds and both have been a bit of a let down. in perfect ideal conditions an AR can be made pretty accurate but its so much harder than just setting up a good bolt gun I don't think Its worth the cost and headache's.

ocabj
02-27-2010, 8:10 AM
If you want a long range AR in in some sort of 223, then I'd go 1:7" or even 1:6.5" twist with a 20" and shoot Berger 80 VLD or Berger 82 BTHP. Obviously you'll be single loading, but this will get you to the 800-1000 yard ranges. You can also try 90gr. White Oak can make you a 1:6.5" twist Pac-Nor with a custom reamer optimized for 90gr bullets. Maybe run N540 with 90s and run them hot to get 2700fps. The brass will most likely be throw aways, though (load once and toss after use).

But if you want to shoot short to mid-range (i.e. 200-600 yards like in Across the Course), 1:7" 20" White Oak barrel will work fine and run 77s in it. I'm really liking 77gr Lapua Scenars in my WOA SR barrels. I still use 80gr Berger VLDs at 600 yards in the WOA SR barrel.

Mstnpete
02-27-2010, 8:24 AM
I would take a look at Mstn Uppers with Lilja barrels.
My 16" shoots 400-500 yard 14" steel plates at any given 3 Gun Match.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/size-9php-1-1-1-1.jpg http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/amgguy/5536_1076302757512_1524523765_30-2.jpg

Greg-Dawg
02-27-2010, 8:43 AM
BCM. My 16" does the job, can't imagine what a 20" will do.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/LatestAR15002.jpg

sirgiles
02-27-2010, 9:05 AM
http://www.lothar-walther.com/

aplinker
02-27-2010, 11:37 AM
I've been wanting to build a top quality long range rifle. I know JP barrels are some of the best as far as accuracy. What others would you guys recomend for this type of build. Looking for something in the 18" - 20" heavy range

Your question is far too vague to give a good answer.

What are your range (in m) and accuracy requirements (in MOA)?

jbooker9
02-27-2010, 2:22 PM
I'm trying to build a rifle that will reach out to 1000 m and sub MOA acuracy at 100 m.

Jpach
02-27-2010, 2:46 PM
With a .223?

Noobert
02-27-2010, 2:48 PM
sub MOA at 1K? really?

jbooker9
02-27-2010, 2:51 PM
not sub moa at 1000 m,

jbooker9
02-27-2010, 2:59 PM
This article got me thinking about what could possibly be done with the right load and glass. I'm not trying to shoot out to a mile just want to be able to accurately reach out to 1000m. So yes with a .223

http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/shooting-223-mile-1.php

SoCalRandy
02-27-2010, 2:59 PM
I'm trying to build a rifle that will reach out to 1000 m and sub MOA acuracy at 100 m.

sub MOA at 1K? really?

I think he's looking for sub MOA at 100m.

Peter W Bush
02-27-2010, 3:45 PM
Are you handloading?

aplinker
02-27-2010, 3:57 PM
then I'd go with a 26-30" 1/6.5 Krieger or similar

It's one thing to have to a bullet go to 1000m, it's another to hit anything. You're going to need all the help you can get, which means heavy projectiles and high velocity.

I'd suggest it's time to go with 6.5G.

ocabj
02-27-2010, 4:19 PM
then I'd go with a 26-30" 1/6.5 Krieger or similar

It's one thing to have to a bullet go to 1000m, it's another to hit anything. You're going to need all the help you can get, which means heavy projectiles and high velocity.

I'd suggest it's time to go with 6.5G.

I refrained from recommending anything longer than 20" since that was a spec defined by the OP.

But I agree 26" or 28" is going to be highly desirable for 1000 yards.

If still sticking with .223 as the cartridge, I definitely would talk to White Oak about their custom reamer for the 90gr, which should be very good with a 26" or longer barrel, since you'll be able to push the 90gr at or above 2650, which is what you can't really do in a 20" (and why 90s never really caught on).

As far as 6.5 Grendel, I'd opt for 6mmAR before 6.5 Grendel. The 6mmAR will actually outperform 6.5 Grendel at long range and will be cheaper as far as components.

There's a good 6mmAR profile here: http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek068.html

Omega13device
02-28-2010, 11:58 AM
I've been wanting to build a top quality long range rifle. I know JP barrels are some of the best as far as accuracy. What others would you guys recomend for this type of build. Looking for something in the 18" - 20" heavy range

Do you have experience shooting 500+ yds? If not you might be putting the cart before the horse getting into custom rifles and cartridge loads.

drunktank
03-16-2010, 10:58 AM
Not trying to thread jack but looking at WOA's website, has anyone used their "White Oak Armament CMP Match Barrel". I was considering either a RRA national match barrel or one of these 1/7 twist w/FS base for $245.

Thanks for any input!

aplinker
03-16-2010, 7:10 PM
There are a lot of highpower shooters using the WOA CMP barrel on CG and all of them are very impressed.

WOA is just a good value and makes quality stuff.

264charlie
03-16-2010, 7:21 PM
Keep the AR build inside 600yrds. You are only going to get 2700fps (more like 2600) out of an AR with 77gr pills with a long barrel.

That is a drop of 426.1" and 139" of wind drift a 10mph. If you miss a tiny shift you will not even be close to a target.

264charlie
03-16-2010, 7:23 PM
BCM. My 16" does the job, can't imagine what a 20" will do.

Not any better... A longer barrel does not make a rifle more accurate. It can allow for more velocity to help with drop and cheating the wind.

fabguy
03-16-2010, 7:38 PM
Not to thread jack but, I love my Sabre Defense 24" Stainless steel fluted barrel, 1/8" twist .223 I does BEAUTIFUL @ 200 yds. 75gr. match rounds. (same one in my avatar ) I would recommend it to you too.

phish
03-16-2010, 8:31 PM
Keep the AR build inside 600yrds. You are only going to get 2700fps (more like 2600) out of an AR with 77gr pills with a long barrel.


800 yards is no problem with 80s going 2700 fps.

phish
03-16-2010, 8:37 PM
A .223 can reach to 1k, but you'll need a strong bolt action, a 30+ inch barrel and some serious cajones. :chris:

from last weekend's state Palma championship in Coalinga:
I was shooting my 223 Palma rifle with the other 15 308 palma rifles. The only 308 rifle to beat the 223 was Jim OConnell's which I coached.

This was the first time the 223 was shot in some interesting winds, a good comparison of the 308/223. The wind range at 900 yards for the two shooter I coached was 6 1/2 to 11 1/2 minutes of left wind. The 1000 yard wind range we shot in was 7 to 16 1/2 minutes of left wind.
The best guess was the 223 used about 2 minutes less windage at 1000 yards. The load was Berger 90 grain boat tails with an MV of 2800 FPS.

(Jerry Tierney)