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ap3572001
02-26-2010, 12:32 PM
Any comments, predictions for nex year ammo situation?

silaic7
02-26-2010, 12:35 PM
local retailers will jack up the price because californians have no choice but to get locally or drive to Nevada or Arizona.

ap3572001
02-26-2010, 12:43 PM
Thats what I thought . We will see...........

Maltese Falcon
02-26-2010, 12:51 PM
I am buying hand over fist right now, stocking up....

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Ricky-Ray
02-26-2010, 12:53 PM
Stock up NOW!!!!

Dubels
02-26-2010, 12:55 PM
Reload or get your 03FFL+COE

zum
02-26-2010, 1:08 PM
:( <--- will be the permanent face of every shooter in California and mass .223 5.56 and 7.62 shortages will ensue as everyone moves to AR/AK pistols and rifles

THEN the gangs will catch on and start murdering with AK / AR pistols and rifles. by 2012 the AR/AK will be banned in every which way and form

is there a chance this will be struck down via law suits?

f33dback
02-26-2010, 1:12 PM
Can you drive to Reno and buy ammo then bring it back? Any laws regarding that?

local retailers will jack up the price because californians have no choice but to get locally or drive to Nevada or Arizona.

ap3572001
02-26-2010, 1:14 PM
I guess ammo will be bought in Nevada. By the case , not by the box.....HUGE MARKET for them.

zum
02-26-2010, 1:15 PM
Can you drive to Reno and buy ammo then bring it back? Any laws regarding that?

yes you can... that won't be illegal but you can bet that anything within a 100 mile radius outside of california will also be jacking up the prices :(

pw24
02-26-2010, 1:18 PM
ok, dumb question, but why next year? is something happening next year, or are you just referring to the overall trend in general?

jdogg2000
02-26-2010, 1:22 PM
What happened to all of the optimism about AB962 going down in flames before then?

CornFedWB
02-26-2010, 1:27 PM
ok, dumb question, but why next year? is something happening next year, or are you just referring to the overall trend in general?

AB962, no more online handgun ammo slaes to CA.

zum
02-26-2010, 1:29 PM
ok, dumb question, but why next year? is something happening next year, or are you just referring to the overall trend in general?

AB962 <--- google

pw24
02-26-2010, 1:36 PM
AB962 <--- google

Thanks, I'll check it out.

stix213
02-26-2010, 1:40 PM
Funny how so many California laws seem like they were written by the Nevada Tourists Bureau :(

HappyG
02-26-2010, 1:43 PM
Hope for the best, expect the worst.

I'd start buying now and HOPE the AB gets shot down. If not, we're in for a world of hell as far as ammo buying is concerned.

CornFedWB
02-26-2010, 1:43 PM
Funny how so many California laws seem like they were written by the Nevada Tourists Bureau :(

Well then they have done a good job, they might even have a new resident before long.

echang86
02-26-2010, 1:45 PM
Reload or get your 03FFL+COE

What does the 03FFL+COE allow us to do? Will we be able to order ammo online?

HCz
02-26-2010, 2:07 PM
Overall national level consumption of ammo hasn't changed,(as in compared to pre-Obama election) but it seems to have been mostly bought up by the military and police, which means less for private citizens. This probably won't change this year as we still have war going on.

As for California, you can expect prices to stay at the same level or go above faster as AB962 will create frenzy to buy more ammo before it kicks in.

Scratch705
02-26-2010, 2:12 PM
i will just do what i need to in that i will get friends out of state to mail order to their house, then i just drive there to pickup. thus negating any potential price increases that the local stores would do to cash in on californians going out of state to buy.

of course this also means that instead of order 1K ammo, would probably save up and order like +5k so don't have to travel more than 2-3 times a year if not less.

Dubels
02-26-2010, 2:21 PM
What does the 03FFL+COE allow us to do? Will we be able to order ammo online?

I am still waiting on my information and application packet, but from my understanding with a BATF C&R license and a CA DOJ Certificate of Eligibility you can still order ammo online after 2/2011. Basically it is all that you need to do the cash and carry deal with C&R guns but since you are a collector that has a COE you do not fall under the bill. I am sure you need to keep records of your purchases but that is in your own log book.

Unit74
02-26-2010, 2:21 PM
AB962 violates the Interstate Commerce Act. It's dead on arrival and has no legal means of enforcement.

CornFedWB
02-26-2010, 2:24 PM
AB962 violates the Interstate Commerce Act. It's dead on arrival and has no legal means of enforcement.

Can you embellish? I would love to share your optamism.

unltd
02-26-2010, 2:59 PM
Can you embellish? I would love to share your optamism.

IIRC, the Interstate Commerce Act would not really apply here, as it was enacted to regulate railroad price fixing in the late 1800's. I think what he meant was the Dormant Commerce Clause. Short version, the DCC is a constitutional law principle which dictates that, because the actual Commerce Clause in the Constitution delegates the regulation of interstate commerce to Congress, then it can be inferred that states have no power to regulate interstate commerce. Ergo, CA is unconstitutionally burdening interstate commerce and the law is invalid on its face.

However, this still requires that someone sue the CA gov't in federal court to challenge it, so it won't go away all by itself.

ocspeedracer
02-26-2010, 3:10 PM
i would think if that were the case... hi cap mags?

unltd
02-26-2010, 3:20 PM
i would think if that were the case... hi cap mags?

Well, the key difference here is that hi-caps are treated the same (i.e. illegal), whether CA bought or bought out of state. AB discriminates between out of state and in state purchases, which is what the DCC is all about.

Unit74
02-26-2010, 4:02 PM
IIRC, the Interstate Commerce Act would not really apply here, as it was enacted to regulate railroad price fixing in the late 1800's. I think what he meant was the Dormant Commerce Clause. Short version, the DCC is a constitutional law principle which dictates that, because the actual Commerce Clause in the Constitution delegates the regulation of interstate commerce to Congress, then it can be inferred that states have no power to regulate interstate commerce. Ergo, CA is unconstitutionally burdening interstate commerce and the law is invalid on its face.

However, this still requires that someone sue the CA gov't in federal court to challenge it, so it won't go away all by itself.


The ICC expanded it to cover all traded goods prior to it's disbandment. The courts opinions have held it as valid.

What more is there to say? It violates Federal law.

Blade
02-26-2010, 4:49 PM
@killer bee

geez bro...you better hope your house/garage don't catch on fire or the whole neighborhood will get blown up like swiss cheese :P Now I don't feel so bad about my stash...more power to you dude.

I got a small stash myself, but I'm reluctant to buy more ammo than I can shoot in a year or two just to keep my inventory fresh. Range ammo I don't care much about, but home defense ammo is a concern. If that mailorder ammo ban goes into law, my mailman is going to go postal on me the month before it goes into effect. If that happens you can bet prices will bo up.

Maltese Falcon
02-26-2010, 4:54 PM
mmm..hmmmm!

47278

Those 50's are heavier than heck when full..ask me how I know. Hint: I recently moved.:o

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f33dback
02-26-2010, 4:59 PM
Bunker ready =)
mmm..hmmmm!

47278

Blackhawk556
02-26-2010, 5:33 PM
IIRC, the Interstate Commerce Act would not really apply here, as it was enacted to regulate railroad price fixing in the late 1800's. I think what he meant was the Dormant Commerce Clause. Short version, the DCC is a constitutional law principle which dictates that, because the actual Commerce Clause in the Constitution delegates the regulation of interstate commerce to Congress, then it can be inferred that states have no power to regulate interstate commerce. Ergo, CA is unconstitutionally burdening interstate commerce and the law is invalid on its face.

However, this still requires that someone sue the CA gov't in federal court to challenge it, so it won't go away all by itself.

Wasn't calguns foundation getting ready a lawsuit to fight this thing?

What happen to it?

Anyone?????????????????

Scratch705
02-26-2010, 5:35 PM
who knows, just stock up before feb 2011.

wilafur
02-26-2010, 6:06 PM
or start reloading.

who knows, just stock up before feb 2011.

Mr. Beretta
02-26-2010, 6:36 PM
The price handgun ammo will rise at least 50% by the end of summer when it sinks in AB962 is going to be a reality. I, like everyone else, is hoping it's repealed but I ain't counting on that.

Snooze you lose !


P.S.............I also predict, Walmarts in California will quit selling handgun ammo by Feb. 2011.

SPE
02-26-2010, 8:31 PM
P.S.............I also predict, Walmarts in California will quit selling handgun ammo by Feb. 2011.

I assume the same thing. Why would WalMart bother with the new hassles required to sell ammo? Only a few WM stores sell it in CA, so dropping it from their inventory won't matter to them.

NapaCountyShooter
02-26-2010, 8:55 PM
Does this law also cover reloading supplies, ie bullets, cases, etc.?

f33dback
02-26-2010, 8:56 PM
Not so sure about buying in NV and driving back into California, seems a little sketchy.
922. Unlawful acts

(a) It shall be unlawful --

(1) for any person --

(B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

921. Definitioins

(10) The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

(21) The term "engaged in the business" means --

(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured...

(22) The term "with the principal objective of livelihood and profit" means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:

yes you can... that won't be illegal but you can bet that anything within a 100 mile radius outside of california will also be jacking up the prices :(

bohoki
02-26-2010, 9:16 PM
i just need to know if 22 long rifle will be pistol ammo

SPE
02-26-2010, 9:20 PM
Does this law also cover reloading supplies, ie bullets, cases, etc.?

I am wondering the same thing. Based on a search, some people believe it will not have any affect on reloading supplies, but given the language I certainly can't tell (i.e. "bullet").

If we assume that reloading will not be affected, is anyone considering taking up reloading just to avoid the ammo purchase hassles?

I know many people already reload, just wondering how many people are preparing to switch to reloading.

CornFedWB
02-26-2010, 9:21 PM
i just need to know if 22 long rifle will be pistol ammo

Theres pistols that shoot it... I would assume so. I wonder how the shops will react to this. Will they stock more bulk ammo, and be more progrssive in ordering and attaining it? I doubt it, it will be worse than it is right now which around here, is dam near non existant.

f33dback
02-26-2010, 9:30 PM
Question, gunbroker.com shows a lot of local FFL's in my area, some of which will order bulk ammo.
Any reason why this isn't the route to go?

railroader
02-26-2010, 9:33 PM
Question, gunbroker.com shows a lot of local FFL's in my area, some of which will order bulk ammo.
Any reason why this isn't the route to go?

How about the fees they are going to charge you to get the ammo for you. They won't be doing it for free now that they have a monopoly. Mark

f33dback
02-26-2010, 9:46 PM
Agreed, some will try to profit, if you had an FFL would you do that or maintain a standard fee?
We have to wait and see is the bottom line.
How about the fees they are going to charge you to get the ammo for you. They won't be doing it for free now that they have a monopoly. Mark

railroader
02-26-2010, 9:57 PM
Agreed, some will try to profit, if you had an FFL would you do that or maintain a standard fee?
We have to wait and see is the bottom line.
I don't think it will be cheap because they would be cutting their own throat. If it was cheap everyone would still order online that way and not buy the ammo locally. Mark.

f33dback
02-26-2010, 10:04 PM
I don't understand what you're saying, after 2011 no where in Cali can you buy online (unless your FFL), a FFL dealer that can order it for you can get a wholesale price, whether or not it gets marked up is up to them, some will some won't.
At what point are they cutting their own throats?
If you are a FFL, and believe in 2A and self defense, at what point do you not become disgusted with profiteering?

I don't think it will be cheap because they would be cutting their own throat. If it was cheap everyone would still order online that way and not buy the ammo locally. Mark.

team1320
02-26-2010, 10:11 PM
question for all the people stock piling, is there any risk of losing or running in to some kind of trouble after next year if you had the ammo before the new laws go into affect??

i.e: going to the range and not being allowed to use your pre-February 1, 2011 ammo cause it was not bought at a store where you gave your information required by the 2011 law?


i hope that makes sense..

Shotgun Dave
02-26-2010, 10:16 PM
I absolutely HATE California sometimes...

zum
02-26-2010, 10:18 PM
I absolutely HATE California sometimes...

SOMETIMES! that's a understatement haha i hate everything about California except the weather

yup the weather is the only reason i stay :D

f33dback
02-26-2010, 10:20 PM
The best antidote for that is active participation in local politics, inform, support politicians that agree with your world view.


I absolutely HATE California sometimes...

zum
02-26-2010, 10:36 PM
The best antidote for that is active participation in local politics, inform, support politicians that agree with your world view.

for a working sap like me its easier said than done... :(

ever since i turned 18 every single person i've voted for from president, governor, mayor ect. has lost :o (except bush's second term, had to finish what we started)

very frustrating! but i won't give up :chris:

f33dback
02-26-2010, 10:44 PM
Sorry zum, voting is not "active in politics", if you're not out there sweating and trying then you aren't out there from "their" perspective, and this was told to me by a lobbyist active in Sacramento politics.
Politicians see "voters" as cattle.
for a working sap like me its easier said than done... :(

ever since i turned 18 every single person i've voted for from president, governor, mayor ect. has lost :o (except bush's second term, had to finish what we started)

very frustrating! but i won't give up :chris:

zum
02-26-2010, 10:46 PM
Sorry zum, voting is not "active in politics", if you're not out there sweating and trying then you aren't out there from "their" perspective, and this was told to me by a lobbyist active in Sacramento politics.
Politicians see "voters" as cattle.

and why i referred to myself as "working sap" :o sorry but i have bills to pay, money to make, and dependents to provide for.

no time to waste fiddling with politicians and lobbying... but ill VOTE :D

f33dback
02-26-2010, 10:56 PM
I hear ya, fund people that will, and always be on your best when it comes to gun culture.
and why i referred to myself as "working sap" :o sorry but i have bills to pay, money to make, and dependents to provide for.

no time to waste fiddling with politicians and lobbying... but ill VOTE :D

Legasat
02-26-2010, 11:11 PM
Reload or get your 03FFL+COE

^^^03FFL+COE assumes you will be able to convince ANY online retailers that it is "really OK" to sell to you. We know it's legal, will they believe it? Many many online retailers won't do business with us now.^^^

I hope it get repealed before it goes into effect, or shot down in the courts!

Dubels
02-27-2010, 12:26 AM
Does this law also cover reloading supplies, ie bullets, cases, etc.?

No but local prices of reloading supplies will also go up. So order online in bulk to make up for the hazmat fees.

^^^03FFL+COE assumes you will be able to convince ANY online retailers that it is "really OK" to sell to you. We know it's legal, will they believe it? Many many online retailers won't do business with us now.^^^

I hope it get repealed before it goes into effect, or shot down in the courts!

I am sure the places that give out dealer discounts for 03FFL will catch on quickly and sell to the people with 03FFLs. I am getting it for cheaper reloading supplies and if I need it, as in .22lr, the ability to still order online. But I do hope it gets repealed. I am reloading no matter what but for ammo like the .22lr, which I can't reload it is going to be a pain the in butt even with a 03FFL.

geeknow
02-27-2010, 1:27 AM
question for all the people stock piling, is there any risk of losing or running in to some kind of trouble after next year if you had the ammo before the new laws go into affect??

i.e: going to the range and not being allowed to use your pre-February 1, 2011 ammo cause it was not bought at a store where you gave your information required by the 2011 law?


i hope that makes sense..


yes, it makes sense.

no, its not something you need to worry about. as the rounds purchased are not serialized or anything like that...who's to say when/where they came from?

Henry47
02-27-2010, 1:32 AM
what's the difference between pistol and rifle ammo in regards to the ban? which calibers are specifically affected by this ban?

Fishslayer
02-27-2010, 1:33 AM
I predict that I shall still be buying many boolits & primers, powder & brass.;)

ummm I'm afraid that until some very "incorrect" steps are taken & changes made California is pretty much lost. Maybe when the state goes BK & the bread & circuses stop...

railroader
02-27-2010, 4:42 AM
I don't understand what you're saying, after 2011 no where in Cali can you buy online (unless your FFL), a FFL dealer that can order it for you can get a wholesale price, whether or not it gets marked up is up to them, some will some won't.
At what point are they cutting their own throats?
If you are a FFL, and believe in 2A and self defense, at what point do you not become disgusted with profiteering?

I understand what you are saying about not being to order after February 2011. I guess I need to make an example. Say your FFL sells a box of 9mm for $20. And say the rest of the free world can get the same ammo for $10 online. So you get your FFL to order you a quantity and he charges you $15 a box for the ammo. Heck your not paying $20 a box but you are still getting screwed because you aren't paying $10.
Look at buying guns online. Most dealers locally have price quite a bit higher than online. So you order online and they make up some of the difference in transfer fees. When they charge you $75 or $100 for a transfer of the gun. I would hate to get the dealer to order $200 worth of ammo and then have him put a $50 handling fee on it for his hassle. He isn't going to do this for nothing.
I think I can see how things are going to be. Right now I can buy at the local walmart 250 rounds of 9mm for $50 which is competitive with online. The one local chain gun store "Turners" charges $90 for the same box of ammo. Walmart probably won't be selling ammo next year but Turners will be. I guess we will see how this turns out but it doesn't look good. Mark

Joe226
02-28-2010, 10:30 PM
Not so sure about buying in NV and driving back into California, seems a little sketchy.

Right now it seems like when you cross the border of California and Nevada(coming from Nevada) all they really ask you is if you have any fruits or things like that. Maybe after the law passes(if it does) they might ask about ammo but I highly doubt it.

AwakeAware1016
02-28-2010, 10:45 PM
If they are going to restrict the travel of ammo from NV they will have to post it in the new law. I believe.

gunnerdan
02-28-2010, 10:58 PM
922. Unlawful acts

(a) It shall be unlawful --

(1) for any person --

(B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

921. Definitioins

(10) The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

(21) The term "engaged in the business" means --

(B) as applied to a manufacturer of ammunition, a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured...

(22) The term "with the principal objective of livelihood and profit" means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:

The way i read this: no regular course of business or sale or distribution and it's okay to stockpile it from NV.

On another note, is it illegal to carry more than a certain amount in your car at a time? I know that hazardous liquid (including used motor oil) transport in personal vehicles is capped at 15g in santa clara county. I don't know if that applies to the whole state but I can see something similar for ammo.

CGK60
03-01-2010, 7:04 AM
Reload.

agent.5
03-01-2010, 12:33 PM
I think you guys are over-fearing the ammo situation, just as you guys were over-fearing that Obama would ban guns.

You can still mail order as much ammos as you want from any online dealer. You just need to change the shipping address to a hotel in Nevada. So, next time you go skiing in Lake Tahoe, have your ammo dealer ship you 2000 rounds of 9mm to you with the hotel as the shipping address. So when you return home from your ski trip, you have plenty of ammos for the shooting range.

ErikTheRed
03-01-2010, 12:56 PM
You can still mail order as much ammos as you want from any online dealer. You just need to change the shipping address to a hotel in Nevada. So, next time you go skiing in Lake Tahoe, have your ammo dealer ship you 2000 rounds of 9mm to you with the hotel as the shipping address. So when you return home from your ski trip, you have plenty of ammos for the shooting range.

Hey....... that might actually work.

Fishslayer
03-01-2010, 12:57 PM
yah.. "do you have any fruits vegetables, or live ammunition in your vehicle?"

"No sir. All my hi cap mags are empty...":cool:

agent.5
03-01-2010, 1:01 PM
Hey....... that might actually work.

I have stuffs shipped to hotels all the time. And casino hotels have excellent security and tracking.

bryan28
03-01-2010, 1:13 PM
does AB962 outlaw buying reloading materials from the internet out of state? bullets, powder, etc ?

orangeusa
03-01-2010, 1:33 PM
I'm thinking AB982 will be overturned, but McDonald will take centerstage for a long while. So, my bet is that it will be in force come Feb/2011. And, WW will stop selling ammo - they stopped selling guns due to the paperwork.

So our 2 options for low cost ammo are gun shows, and reloading. You'll still have to do the paperwork, but do you think the ammo guys at the gun shows are going to turn this down????

Option 3: Pay thru the nose at your LGS or range. Sorry, I support my LGS for gun purchases, but right now, buying WW ammo at the LGS for 50% over retail has made me less charitable towards them.

My 2 cents and maybe more!! And I'm not a lawyer or fortuneteller.. so you get what you paid for on opinion! :)
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powaybob
03-01-2010, 1:43 PM
My state assembly representative, Nathan Fletcher, says he is a co-sponsor of a bill to rescind 962, but he told me he did not expect it to pass.

Perhaps some communication with assembly members that we the people expect the bill to get out of committee and be passed would be in order.

CornFedWB
03-01-2010, 1:55 PM
I've read about the Mcdonald case, but I can't see how it pertains to our states ammo laws. I understand it's a case about the people of chicago being able to own handguns, but what does it have to do with Ab962? Maybe I'm missing something, regardless I've learned to be pesamistic about things like this.

bluerider
03-01-2010, 3:04 PM
If the law actualy goes into effect I would expect to see a surge in manufactre of 9mm carbine ammo, 38 special carbine ammo, 357 carbine ammo.... what where am I? hand gun forum how did I get here?

orangeusa
03-01-2010, 3:58 PM
I've read about the Mcdonald case, but I can't see how it pertains to our states ammo laws. I understand it's a case about the people of chicago being able to own handguns, but what does it have to do with Ab962? Maybe I'm missing something, regardless I've learned to be pesamistic about things like this.

I'm no expert, but here's a quote from another thread. Basically it addresses if the Chicago law is unconstitutional AND states rights in 2A. So the ideal would be that state laws wrt 2A are judged to be unconstitutional...

Here's a link so I don't put my foot further in my mouth....
Post #36 - Romansdad summary.... http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=274831


The United States Supreme Court is hearing oral argument in the case which will decide whether the Second Amendment applies to the States and municipalities, and specifically whether the City of Chicago's ban on handguns is unconstitutional.

CornFedWB
03-01-2010, 4:25 PM
Ok, so this could possibly create the best day of our lives. Whats the best way to keep up on this?

jdogg2000
03-01-2010, 4:36 PM
I think you guys are over-fearing the ammo situation, just as you guys were over-fearing that Obama would ban guns.

You can still mail order as much ammos as you want from any online dealer. You just need to change the shipping address to a hotel in Nevada. So, next time you go skiing in Lake Tahoe, have your ammo dealer ship you 2000 rounds of 9mm to you with the hotel as the shipping address. So when you return home from your ski trip, you have plenty of ammos for the shooting range.

I'm with you on this one. There's no way that California can prohibit us from bringing ammo back from other states. All this stupid bill will do is make us spend our money in other states to buy our ammo. I'm glad I have a condo in Vegas where I can just send my mail order ammo to if need be. Based on the wisdom of people here on CG that are much better informed about these things than me though, I'm pretty optimistic that AB962 will never go into effect or won't be around long. I still laugh when I read all of the posts from a year ago that say Obama is going to ban firearms soon so you'd better stock up on them!

Scratch705
03-01-2010, 4:42 PM
I'm with you on this one. There's no way that California can prohibit us from bringing ammo back from other states. All this stupid bill will do is make us spend our money in other states to buy our ammo. I'm glad I have a condo in Vegas where I can just send my mail order ammo to if need be. Based on the wisdom of people here on CG that are much better informed about these things than me though, I'm pretty optimistic that AB962 will never go into effect or won't be around long. I still laugh when I read all of the posts from a year ago that say Obama is going to ban firearms soon so you'd better stock up on them!

it can't nor will. mail ordering isn't banned, as much as restricted. all mail order handgun ammo goes to a FFL before pickup. which of course will result in fees being added ontop of the costs.

private sales of ammo will be normal after the bill so all some have to do is to just group money together and do ammo runs to out of state. i'm sure other cal-gunners would be generous enough to allow others to add on orders to theirs for when they go pick them up from out of state and bring it back.

mcsoupman
03-01-2010, 5:32 PM
"No sir. All my regular cap mags are empty...":cool:

There fixed your post :rolleyes:

Has this bill been challenged yet, or will it?

tempdrummer
03-01-2010, 5:47 PM
So can someone out of state mail ammo into the state?

eccvets
03-01-2010, 10:39 PM
Ill just resell ammo at a jacked up price like the jackasses do right now...

AwakeAware1016
03-01-2010, 10:52 PM
This law will be so hard to enforce. It is all for show and the only people benefiting from it are wealthy liberals who are under the impression that this will reduce gun crime. Because it has worked so well in the past with laws to keep people from say, selling drugs or Leeping gangsters from having ak's. They push these laws to look like they can do something about the rapidly declining star situation and the likelyhood that criminals will overrun the rich.

gravedigger
03-01-2010, 11:21 PM
Politicians see "voters" as cattle.

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Lead-Thrower
03-01-2010, 11:42 PM
Here is something I have been curious about since AB962 passed: Could I still order ammo from Cabelas and choose in-store pickup (pick up at the Reno location)? Or is this prohibited because it is a mail-order sale? I just was wondering if I will still be able to do this since the ammo will never actually be shipped to CA. Of course I want to support local businesses and all, but that is hard to do when they dont have anything in stock, which they more often will not as 2011 approaches...

Dr. Peter Venkman
03-02-2010, 1:38 AM
When I get back from the future I'll tell you.