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Mstrty
02-22-2010, 8:48 PM
If I was to take a 22lr convertion kit for a 1911 and epoxy solid a magazine that would lock open the slide when the single shot was fired and then installed a magazine release that required a tool to remove the magazine would it classify the gun as a single shot pistol per CA law?

bigcalidave
02-22-2010, 9:32 PM
Ummmm. Yes! But you don't need to have the .22 conversion kit. Mag sled and mag lock. Good to go for import, don't forget you need to have a 10" total length! Needs a big barrel slide for that.

Cokebottle
02-22-2010, 9:37 PM
Ditto.

Single shot is only part of the exemption.
It also requires minimum 10" OAL and a minimum 6" barrel.

bigcalidave
02-22-2010, 9:40 PM
Is it 10.5" total? ? ?

Cokebottle
02-22-2010, 9:51 PM
Is it 10.5" total? ? ?
Correct:
SB 269 (Stats. 2005, ch. 683) (Dutton)
C Exempts from unsafe handgun testing, as specified, single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and an overall length of at least 10 inches when the handle, frame or receiver and barrel are assembled (PC 12133).

Mstrty
02-22-2010, 9:59 PM
does anyone make a 6+inch barrel and slide? Ill mfg. mag sled and lock.

Cokebottle
02-22-2010, 10:15 PM
does anyone make a 6+inch barrel and slide? Ill mfg. mag sled and lock.
6" barrels and slides are available for the 1911 platform... look up "long slide".
The problem is, the long slide format is still not 10.5" OAL.

The standard 5" 1911 with beavertail is about 8.75" long, so to reach 10.5" OAL, you'd need a nearly 7" barrel.

Mstrty
02-22-2010, 10:26 PM
Sarco has 7" barrels do they work in a standard slide or do the require a specific slide?

smokingloon
02-22-2010, 11:06 PM
I bought a Sarco 7" barrel and Fusion installed it for me. I still don't have the firearm yet but they didn't mention any problems with it. I test fitted the barrel on my TRP and it fit without any problems.

djleisure
02-22-2010, 11:57 PM
Actually, you just need a Pachmayr Dominator conversion kit and you're good to go... single shot, large caliber (.308, .223, .44mag, etc.) conversion kit... they're kinda hard to come by, but they come up on gunbroker from time to time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/JoeGuarnera/IMG_0053.jpg

Mstrty
02-23-2010, 12:32 AM
I know of this expensive option. Im looking for something available to the masses. Not looking for the rare unavailable item.

bear
02-23-2010, 8:53 AM
How about one of those 16" 1911 barrels, that Sportsmans Guide used to sell?
I think Sarco sold them, and also Numrich Arms. I haven't seen them advertised lately, but they usually came with a stock, as part of a kit. But you could cut off the barrel to the length you need to meet the requirement.
I think I saw them at Numrich Arms, last time I looked. They were about $150.

ilvwhtgrls
02-23-2010, 9:34 AM
Kinda confused here, so if I buy a conversion, I can import any type of 1911/2011 style gun into CA? Would I just send the kit to an out of state dealer and have them ship the kit and frame back to my ffl? Thanks, sorry about the noob questions.

Mstrty
02-23-2010, 10:13 AM
Kinda confused here, so if I buy a conversion, I can import any type of 1911/2011 style gun into CA? Would I just send the kit to an out of state dealer and have them ship the kit and frame back to my ffl? Thanks, sorry about the noob questions.
Yep. Find an out of state dealer that can get what you are looking for and they will receive it, disassemble it put in your parts (for a fee) and ship your new single shot to a California FFL dealer that accepts it. The spare original parts can be shiped directly to you. Some folk dont like to discuss this publicly as it could bring unwanted changes to the law. I say everyone should do this at least once just to stick it to the "man". Spread the word.

djleisure
02-23-2010, 10:25 AM
I know of this expensive option. Im looking for something available to the masses. Not looking for the rare unavailable item.
Perhaps it would help if you brushed some of that sand out of your vagina?

...just trying to help out. :rolleyes:

gn3hz3ku1*
02-23-2010, 2:47 PM
Perhaps it would help if you brushed some of that sand out of your vagina?

...just trying to help out. :rolleyes:

dude i dont think he was trying to be mean about it... but your sand out of his vagina comment is a really funny but still uncalled for

Mstrty
02-23-2010, 5:39 PM
Perhaps it would help if you brushed some of that sand out of your vagina?

...just trying to help out. :rolleyes:

Will do! :rolleyes:

ilvwhtgrls
02-23-2010, 7:46 PM
Yep. Find an out of state dealer that can get what you are looking for and they will receive it, disassemble it put in your parts (for a fee) and ship your new single shot to a California FFL dealer that accepts it. The spare original parts can be shiped directly to you. Some folk dont like to discuss this publicly as it could bring unwanted changes to the law. I say everyone should do this at least once just to stick it to the "man". Spread the word.


Thanks bud, now I just need to find a cheap(er) kit.

xxdabroxx
02-23-2010, 8:50 PM
you don't have to shoot it so the barrel fit does not have to be perfect. You could also get 6" barrel or event a 5" and have a barrel hood added to it. If you bought an old steel gi take off you could have a local welder weld a piece of tube on the end to get you up to length. So long as its welded on and has a larger inside diameter than your barrel dia.

It is no different than welding the flash hider on an 14.5" ar barrel.

Cokebottle
02-23-2010, 10:56 PM
Kinda confused here, so if I buy a conversion, I can import any type of 1911/2011 style gun into CA? Would I just send the kit to an out of state dealer and have them ship the kit and frame back to my ffl? Thanks, sorry about the noob questions.
The kit and frame are still a no-go. The pistol must be complete and operational as a dimensionally-compliant single-shot.

The only exception is if your FFL has an 07 license, which allows him to perform manufacturing. The gun cannot be DROS'd to you in kit form.

ilvwhtgrls
02-23-2010, 11:05 PM
The kit and frame are still a no-go. The pistol must be complete and operational as a dimensionally-compliant single-shot.

The only exception is if your FFL has an 07 license, which allows him to perform manufacturing. The gun cannot be DROS'd to you in kit form.

I was under the impression that the slide has to fit on the frame but a function test was not part of the process. Can anyone comment on this? I don't know of anyone personally that has accomplished this.

Cokebottle
02-23-2010, 11:20 PM
I was under the impression that the slide has to fit on the frame but a function test was not part of the process. Can anyone comment on this? I don't know of anyone personally that has accomplished this.
There is no function test, but it must be assembled.

Unless your FFL has an 07 and is willing and able to assemble the kit, a box of parts showing up at your FFL is not a "handgun"... it's a receiver and a box of parts. Since the receiver itself is not a dimensionally-compliant single shot, it cannot be DROS'd since it is not on the roster.

smokingloon
02-24-2010, 2:12 AM
I believe my way is probably one of the easiest methods.
What I did was order a 1911 kit from Fusion. This only included the slide, barrel, and frame. I then found a safety mag http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/p_182100001_1.jpg

and a 7" sarco barrel. With the safety mag, i just drilled a hole and ran a very small bolt from one side of the grip to the other and used a nut to tighten it down. I was originally trying to find two long grip screws for the bushings but the threadpitch is very specific and not easily available.
I went with the 7" barrel so I could meet the 10.5" overall length requirement. However, i would need the beavertail installed.
Plus the firearm has to look as if it will function. I mean, you can't get a gun with no trigger, mainspring housing, safety, etc and expect that it will work. So I had Fusion correctly assemble everything and it should be here sometime this week. I'll take pictures when it comes in.

ilvwhtgrls
02-24-2010, 9:29 AM
There is no function test, but it must be assembled.

Unless your FFL has an 07 and is willing and able to assemble the kit, a box of parts showing up at your FFL is not a "handgun"... it's a receiver and a box of parts. Since the receiver itself is not a dimensionally-compliant single shot, it cannot be DROS'd since it is not on the roster.

Makes sense, thanks.