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sideshowhr
02-15-2010, 12:10 AM
i just found out about this, and i'm fuming as i'm typing this. this isn't the first time he was robbed (he owns a restaurant in/near commerce).

so, as his story goes, he was driving home this past monday on the 5 north when his car started to act funny. he pulled over on the shoulder (it's night time, by the way) and the call-box was out of order. apparently his radiator hose broke or something and it needed a quick patch job, so he ran the 2-300 yards to the nearest gas station to call AAA. before you ask, his cellphone's battery was dead and he did not have his phone charger on him.

so he gets to the gas station, and low-and-behold, the payphone is out of order as well... so he asks the cashiers/employees of the gas station if they would be so kind as to let him use one of their cell phones to call AAA, but they refused. so he did the next best thing and bought some duct-tape and some coolant to do a quick-fix job and at least get home.

as he's headed back to his car, he notices there's a tow truck lifting his car (not a flat bed, the regular kind) and he thinks it's one of those MTA trucks that patrol the freeways. great, perfect timing.

so he gets to his car, and next thing you know, these guys start asking him for valuables. they tell him "give us some money or whatever you got or we're taking the car". friend says no, who the hell are you? put the car down right now. (friend is big... nicest guy you'll ever meet... but can be intimidating). words are exchanged, and friend says put the car down RIGHT NOW! that's where the guys drew the line, i guess.

the smaller guy pulled out a glock, pointed it at my friend (gangster style... you all know what i'm talking about) and demanded money. friend told him to relax, i'll give you whatever i've got. he gave him his wallet, which there was no money inside. guy got antsy and started searching my friend. right pocket, nothing. left pocket? $1500 cash he was going to deposit the next morning.

guys released his car and hauled ***... chains hanging and sparking away. friend goes back and (FINALLY) finds a payphone that works and called 911. CHP arrives 10 minutes (!) later, about 6 patrol cars. they tell him "yea this isn't the first time" and described the tow truck to him before friend could even do so himself. mind you, this happened in more or less the same spot as it did the last time. "yea we're definitely going to start patrolling more in this area, this is our patrol area."

so, i promptly suggested he apply for a CCW, due to him being held at gunpoint TWICE in his restaurant, and once on the freeway. what would his chances be?

i'm super pissed for him right now. there's hearing about this kind of thing and getting pissed, then there's hearing about this kind of thing from a first-hand experience from your friend. it becomes real, and it's not cool.

Turo
02-15-2010, 12:14 AM
Man, sorry to hear this happened, but glad your friend came out unscathed. I think him owning the restaurant and frequently carrying large sums of cash around on his person should be Good Cause. At least it would in my home county. Not sure which county he's from though.

Turbinator
02-15-2010, 12:17 AM
Terrible. I hope justice and karma are served.

Turby

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 12:18 AM
I heard a similar story from a friend that I believe might have read on Calguns several months back. Something about LA county denying a CCW to a man who had a history of being robbed due to location of his home and lack of transportation. I think it went that about 2 weeks after being denied a CCW, he was killed in another robbery.

What I find to be worse, I have read in cali civil code that "issuing authorities" retain no liability as a result of decisions to issue or not issue a CCW. Not sure how well that law sticks, or if the code I read was accurate cause I found it online, and there is a lot of stuff online, some true, some not.... but if that is indeed true, then it would lead me to believe your buddy has a poor chance at getting a CCW if he lives in LA County, and worse yet... has little if any recourse if this happens again after they possibly deny him.

It's a disgusting thing, I pray that this horrific injustice to Californians will end soon!

aplinker
02-15-2010, 12:23 AM
In this case, the cell phone would've been far more useful than a firearm.

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 12:26 AM
In this case, the cell phone would've been far more useful than a firearm.

And on that basis... I could totally see his request for CCW denied.... "Next time sir, don't leave your restaurant with a dead cell phone battery".

Plinker has a point, but it is still a poor excuse for getting denied a CCW. What if they pulled up after he got off the phone and shot him before CHP arrived not knowing he already called the cops!?!?!

sideshowhr
02-15-2010, 12:27 AM
edit: believe me the dead cellphone battery was kind of a freak thing. he's usually pretty good with that, but this one time the battery was dead was the time he had needed it the most. didn't help that every frickin payphone and the callbox were out of order and the guys at the gas station wouldn't let him use his phone.

I heard a similar story from a friend that I believe might have read on Calguns several months back. Something about LA county denying a CCW to a man who had a history of being robbed due to location of his home and lack of transportation. I think it went that about 2 weeks after being denied a CCW, he was killed in another robbery.



i told my friend he's pushing his luck. robbed three times already, and he still doesn't even have a gun at the work place. i think i persuaded him to fix that though.

he's from La Crescenta, an unincorporated city in LA county. local LEA is LASD Crescenta Valley Capt. David M. Silversparre (http://www.lasd.org/stations/for1/cresenta-valley/index.html).

i must say, those guys are playing a dangerous game, but relatively smartly. acting like they're doing something good to avoid attention, when they really just want to extort money and valuables from the unarmed and vulnerable.

no better than rats looking for a free meal.

pitchbaby
02-15-2010, 12:32 AM
Oh Ya, I know La Crescenta very well. I went to High School in Glendale. CV chicks were the bomb.... LOL!!! I have a buddy who is a CSI for LASD in La Crescenta and who does reserve patrols too. He is a good guy, but I don't think he is "conditioned" to believe the masses should be armed, unfortunately.

jehall01
02-15-2010, 1:41 AM
I don't think it mattered if his cell phone worked or not. Everytime I've had to call for a tow truck driver it took a couple of hours for them to arrive. The broken call box to me sounds like the criminals doing, phone or no phone the criminals woulnof made it there first

press1280
02-15-2010, 3:27 AM
If he owns the restaurant, he should be able to have the gun there, so that would be part of the good cause letter. Your friend needs to try for a CCW, he seems to have all the bases covered unless the issuing authority wants a corpse first.

3030
02-15-2010, 4:19 AM
Man that is crazy, those crazy bastards actually had his car up ready to be towed off?!

Reminds me of my friend that almost got robbed a few years back, some little kid was asking for money as he was going back to his car, he said didn't have any, the kid pulled a gun on him and said give me all your money, I'm not playing around!

My friend pulled out his wallet and dropped it on the floor and as the kid went down to pick it up he got stabbed in the neck.

The worst part - spending the next 6 hours with police + 6 months in legal BS. What a PITA for serving justice.

geeknow
02-15-2010, 4:22 AM
OP,

Where, exactly?

I know you said 5fwy N in/near Commerce. Which off ramp?

Scratch705
02-15-2010, 5:31 AM
i'm assuming the friend did not have a car charger? cause even with a broken radiator, he could have just turned the keys to accs on, and made the call.

B Strong
02-15-2010, 6:07 AM
i just found out about this, and i'm fuming as i'm typing this. this isn't the first time he was robbed (he owns a restaurant in/near commerce).

so, as his story goes, he was driving home this past monday on the 5 north when his car started to act funny. he pulled over on the shoulder (it's night time, by the way) and the call-box was out of order. apparently his radiator hose broke or something and it needed a quick patch job, so he ran the 2-300 yards to the nearest gas station to call AAA. before you ask, his cellphone's battery was dead and he did not have his phone charger on him.

so he gets to the gas station, and low-and-behold, the payphone is out of order as well... so he asks the cashiers/employees of the gas station if they would be so kind as to let him use one of their cell phones to call AAA, but they refused. so he did the next best thing and bought some duct-tape and some coolant to do a quick-fix job and at least get home.

as he's headed back to his car, he notices there's a tow truck lifting his car (not a flat bed, the regular kind) and he thinks it's one of those MTA trucks that patrol the freeways. great, perfect timing.

so he gets to his car, and next thing you know, these guys start asking him for valuables. they tell him "give us some money or whatever you got or we're taking the car". friend says no, who the hell are you? put the car down right now. (friend is big... nicest guy you'll ever meet... but can be intimidating). words are exchanged, and friend says put the car down RIGHT NOW! that's where the guys drew the line, i guess.

the smaller guy pulled out a glock, pointed it at my friend (gangster style... you all know what i'm talking about) and demanded money. friend told him to relax, i'll give you whatever i've got. he gave him his wallet, which there was no money inside. guy got antsy and started searching my friend. right pocket, nothing. left pocket? $1500 cash he was going to deposit the next morning.

guys released his car and hauled ***... chains hanging and sparking away. friend goes back and (FINALLY) finds a payphone that works and called 911. CHP arrives 10 minutes (!) later, about 6 patrol cars. they tell him "yea this isn't the first time" and described the tow truck to him before friend could even do so himself. mind you, this happened in more or less the same spot as it did the last time. "yea we're definitely going to start patrolling more in this area, this is our patrol area."

so, i promptly suggested he apply for a CCW, due to him being held at gunpoint TWICE in his restaurant, and once on the freeway. what would his chances be?

i'm super pissed for him right now. there's hearing about this kind of thing and getting pissed, then there's hearing about this kind of thing from a first-hand experience from your friend. it becomes real, and it's not cool.

Sorry to say, his chances are slim-to-none.

He should get in the habit of charging the phone every evening.

OC4ME
02-15-2010, 6:33 AM
...none now, no way, the cops will think he is gunna go vigilante on folks now. Got a grudge and a gun. Tow trucks will just trip him off.

RookieShooter
02-15-2010, 7:31 AM
Sorry to hear about your friend. In this case, a $5 car charger would had saved his day. You got to have one in every car.

DiscoBayJoe
02-15-2010, 7:36 AM
wow, your friend bought back his broken car for $1500? I'd have let them taken the clunker off my hands, called 911 to report the theft, and then used the $1500 to cover my deductible!

CCWFacts
02-15-2010, 7:57 AM
What I find to be worse, I have read in cali civil code that "issuing authorities" retain no liability as a result of decisions to issue or not issue a CCW.

That is correct:

821.2. A public employee is not liable for an injury caused by his issuance, denial, suspension or revocation of, or by his failure or refusal to issue, deny, suspend or revoke, any permit, license, certificate, approval, order, or similar authorization where he is authorized by enactment to determine whether or not such authorization should be issued, denied, suspended or revoked.

Not sure how well that law sticks, or if the code I read was accurate cause I found it online, and there is a lot of stuff online, some true, some not....

It sticks and it's accurate. Read the rest of 820-830 (http://law.justia.com/california/codes/gov/820-823.html) and see how much immunity they have.

but if that is indeed true, then it would lead me to believe your buddy has a poor chance at getting a CCW if he lives in LA County,

Yes, those types of lawsuits are very hard to win.

and worse yet... has little if any recourse if this happens again after they possibly deny him.

Yes, if they deny him and he is robbed and murdered, his family will have a very hard time winning anything from the sheriff.

didn't help that every frickin payphone and the callbox were out of order

Payphones are disappearing.

he's from La Crescenta, an unincorporated city in LA county. local LEA is LASD Crescenta Valley Capt. David M. Silversparre (http://www.lasd.org/stations/for1/cresenta-valley/index.html).

Unfortunately the LA sheriff won't issue to him.

no better than rats looking for a free meal.

Yup.

If he owns the restaurant, he should be able to have the gun there, so that would be part of the good cause letter. Your friend needs to try for a CCW, he seems to have all the bases covered unless the issuing authority wants a corpse first.

Sheriff Baca would like to see a corpse first. Sheriff Baca has absolutely no problem with your friend being murdered.

dixieD
02-15-2010, 8:04 AM
I don't think having a working cell phone would have changed anything. Yeah he could have called for a tow, but that will take 30min to an hour to arrive. The guys still would have showed up and demanded money and valuables. When he said I am going to call 911 the Glock still would have come out.

TRICKSTER
02-15-2010, 8:38 AM
Is your friends name JOE BTFSPLK? Considering how everything else went wrong for him that night, it's probably a good thing he didn't have a gun.

ALSystems
02-15-2010, 9:02 AM
It sounds like having a roll of duct tape and radiator fluid or water would have more useful than a cell phone.

thegratenate
02-15-2010, 9:53 AM
It sounds like someone should put those crooks out of business. They would probably bite for a sting, if the cops would go fishing they could probably get those maroons off the streets in one night.

sideshowhr
02-15-2010, 11:11 AM
^are stings legal? don't they need a warrant or something? (all i know about stings are what paul newman and robert redford taught me :o)

I don't think it mattered if his cell phone worked or not. Everytime I've had to call for a tow truck driver it took a couple of hours for them to arrive. The broken call box to me sounds like the criminals doing, phone or no phone the criminals woulnof made it there first

i'm telling you, his stars lined up that night, and not in a good way. dead battery, no charger, the call box... just one of those days.

and true about the tow truck taking a while to show up. they even tell you it might take upwards of an hour or two, so i figure these guys are cruising the freeways looking for people in distress/cars broken down, then either take the car or valuables/cash. win/win.

Man that is crazy, those crazy bastards actually had his car up ready to be towed off?!



car was up, and i couldn't tell you exactly if they were waiting for him to show up, but he must have gotten there right before they would have bounced, had they only wanted the car. i guess you can add that to the stars lining up thing, but i'm not sure.

OP,

Where, exactly?

I know you said 5fwy N in/near Commerce. Which off ramp?

i believe right before Washington, near the commerce casino. like i said, he told me the CHP told him it's not the first time. tell your friends and family.

wow, your friend bought back his broken car for $1500? I'd have let them taken the clunker off my hands, called 911 to report the theft, and then used the $1500 to cover my deductible!

that would have been the best thing, because it really isn't that nice a car (older honda accord), though i hear it's a highly sought after one by car thieves/chop shops. but alas, a gun was pulled, and no material object is worth it at that point. i'm sure he would have been okay with having his car taken rather than being on the other end of a gun, but he did get kind of pushy since there was no gun in the first place.

Is your friends name JOE BTFSPLK? Considering how everything else went wrong for him that night, it's probably a good thing he didn't have a gun.

tell me about it. he should have hit up the casino a couple blocks away and tried his luck after such a bad streak.

Smokeybehr
02-15-2010, 11:13 AM
It sounds like someone should put those crooks out of business. They would probably bite for a sting, if the cops would go fishing they could probably get those maroons off the streets in one night.

Do I hear an op being planned? :cool:

Merle
02-15-2010, 11:26 AM
Makes me want to go and get a dash cam for my personal vehicle. You could see all the idiots on the road and in case something like this happens, you'd have evidence of the license plate of the tow truck at the very least.

sideshowhr
02-15-2010, 11:29 AM
ohyea, forgot to mention a minor detail... the tow truck didn't have a license plate.

Merle
02-15-2010, 12:11 PM
ohyea, forgot to mention a minor detail... the tow truck didn't have a license plate.

That's actually a really important detail. Not only do vehicles like tow trucks stand out (looks like a giant crucifix to me), but the lack of a license plate (illegal) would be a cause to pull it over and investigate. Find two guys inside, and start asking questions.

pnkssbtz
02-15-2010, 12:18 PM
I feel really bad for your friend...


But I just can't understand how people let their cell phone run out of power. I have never had my batter run out for any cell phone for the last 13 years I've had them.

sonico
02-15-2010, 12:20 PM
I feel really bad for your friend...
But I just can't understand how people let their cell phone run out of power. I have never had my batter run out for any cell phone for the last 13 years I've had them.

Really? **** happens, friend, and sometimes at the worst possible time.

Batteries fail, chargers fail, phones fail, guns fail, people fail. Everything fails.

Except Sigs :D

thegratenate
02-15-2010, 1:15 PM
It looks like the crooks put more planning into this that they are getting credit for, I wouldn't be surprised if the area was a dead spot for cell service, unless they don't exist down in yalls part of town. At the very least they are probably the ones who disabled the call box, and were looking for victims to abandon their cars and walk to the nearest gas station. Would it be so bad if an unmarked cop car was parked near that call box one night?

FK300
02-15-2010, 1:40 PM
In this case, the cell phone would've been far more useful than a firearm.

I'd choose a firearm any day of the week over a cell phone! My mom had a felony purse snatch last summer in Safeway, in Salinas, CA and it took the cops over 5 hours to respond. They even wanted her to come down to the station to give a report. The PD could care less to even look at the surveiliance tapes!!! :mad:

If you want to rely on cell phone and a police department or municipal agency to protect you...go ahead Mr. Sheep! Good luck!

Billy Jack
02-15-2010, 2:03 PM
ohyea, forgot to mention a minor detail... the tow truck didn't have a license plate.

Pity your friend not post here for information. When Billy Jack not investigating government corruption he teach classes in Urban Survival & Personal Safety. Friend made a number of mistakes we teach about that you should not do.

This not just Brave speaking, you may consult the PIO at any CHP office and he will tell you much the same as I am posting.

Go to any store that sells phones and buy a car charger. Mine never leaves the glove box except when in use.

When vehicle disabled, park on shoulder or beyond where appropriate, and turn on hazard lights.

Stay in vehicle with seat belt on and head rest properly adjusted.

In populated area you described, CHP drives a circuit for entire shift and will be by within 10-20 minutes. Quicker than Auto Club.

Criminals are predators and hunt for prey. They seek weak and vulnerable.
The message your friend telegraphed was:

No cell phone.
Walked off to seek assistance.
Not street smart.

At the very least they would have taken his vehicle. At the very worse, his life.

When Billy Jack was young LEO we had criminals that regularly trolled the freeways looking for distressed motorists. They would rob their person and take whatever they could from the vehicle as well.

Most white eyes are not 'urbanized' and you send out virtual fermions to bad guys. Take a class and get some street smarts.

You send the wrong message to a predator and they are going to party with you and you will be the entertainment.


Hope you pass this along to your friend.


Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

Packy14
02-15-2010, 2:17 PM
I wonder if he had a gun if he'da got in trouble for layin those 2 down permanently.

Seesm
02-15-2010, 2:19 PM
Nice stuff... Dirtbags will use anything to get over on someone...

Did they mess up his hose on his car and break the phone and kill his battery... Or is my tin hat too tight? :)

But serious what a bummer... I hope they catch the people who jacked him.

pnkssbtz
02-15-2010, 2:20 PM
Wouldn't it be really easy to set up a sting for this?

kcbrown
02-15-2010, 3:33 PM
Pity your friend not post here for information. When Billy Jack not investigating government corruption he teach classes in Urban Survival & Personal Safety. Friend made a number of mistakes we teach about that you should not do.

This not just Brave speaking, you may consult the PIO at any CHP office and he will tell you much the same as I am posting.

Go to any store that sells phones and buy a car charger. Mine never leaves the glove box except when in use.

When vehicle disabled, park on shoulder or beyond where appropriate, and turn on hazard lights.

Stay in vehicle with seat belt on and head rest properly adjusted.

In populated area you described, CHP drives a circuit for entire shift and will be by within 10-20 minutes. Quicker than Auto Club.


Nice. Good to know.

How reliable are they about stopping when they see someone pulled over with the hazard lights on?

Also, what's the proper course of action for the person who is sitting in the vehicle if the bad guys show up before CHP does?



Criminals are predators and hunt for prey. They seek weak and vulnerable.
The message your friend telegraphed was:

No cell phone.
Walked off to seek assistance.
Not street smart.


Wouldn't sitting in the car with the hazard lights on telegraph roughly the same message?

sideshowhr
02-15-2010, 3:42 PM
on more than one occasion i've seen chp just drive by a car pulled over on the shoulder with their hazards on, and every time i wonder why they didn't stop. granted, the person may already have already called AAA or someone is already on their way, but you'd think they'd at least stop to ask or to see if they're alright, physically/mentally.

as for waiting in the car... wouldn't waiting outside the car make more sense? i mean, if you are approached by these people before the police reach you, you'd be a sitting duck. immobilized and cornered in your own car.

Billy Jack
02-15-2010, 4:08 PM
You both ask good questions. Sitting in your vehicle makes the best of an already bad situation.

Keep doors locked.

Standing outside your vehicle makes you 'road kill' in progess.

Driver Perception/Reaction is too slow to avoid running over you if they are DUI or distracted and venture onto the shoulder, which DUI's frequently do.

Inside a locked vehicle makes you a little more secure than standing outside. CHP scans each vehicle and in many cases has already checked it out. If you are standing on the freeway watching CHP drive by, you need a life. They know what to look for just as the predator does.

The public has a tendency to second guess LEO without all relevant information.

As I said, if you are broken down with no means of communication you are already 'in the S***. My recommendations are just that, recommendations.

Regular vehicle maintenence and inspecting under the hood can eliminate most vehicle failures. Belt(s), hoses, running out of petro, over heating are the most common causes of breakdown.

Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

mej16489
02-15-2010, 4:14 PM
You both ask good questions. Sitting in your vehicle makes the best of an already bad situation.

Standing outside your vehicle makes you 'road kill' in progess.

Driver Perception/Reaction is too slow to avoid running over you if they are DUI or distracted and venture onto the shoulder, which DUI's frequently do.

Inside a locked vehicle makes you a little more secure than standing outside. CHP scans each vehicle and in many cases has already checked it out. If you are standing on the freeway watching CHP drive by, you need a life. They know what to look for just as the predator does.



I've seen enough cars on the side of the freeway get creamed that I would never stay inside a car on the side of the road unless absolutely neccessary.

I would recommend out of the car and WELL off the roadway

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 4:58 PM
^are stings legal? don't they need a warrant or something?
A true "sting" is perfectly legal.

It borders into entrapment when they put a female officer on the street and she approaches a motorist stopped at a red light.
If he pulls over mid-block and rolls his window down, it's not entrapment.

A "sting" is simply creating the circumstances where the bad guys are going to do what they would be doing anyways.
Entrapment is when the LEO gives someone the idea to commit the crime.

Billy Jack
02-15-2010, 5:06 PM
I've seen enough cars on the side of the freeway get creamed that I would never stay inside a car on the side of the road unless absolutely neccessary.

I would recommend out of the car and WELL off the roadway

Grasshopper, one size does not fit all. If you feel it is too dangerous to stay in your vehicle, then by all means stand outside. Darwin's theory must be reinforced from time to time. Do not trust humble Brave, call you local CHP office and then share what you are told. inquiring minds want to know and learn from new information, part of the growth process.

By the way, exactly how many vehicles have you seen 'creamed' on the side of the freeway? Would that be with or without sugar? Brave just curious.

Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

Theseus
02-15-2010, 5:07 PM
A true "sting" is perfectly legal.
A "sting" is simply creating the circumstances where the bad guys are going to do what they would be doing anyways.
Entrapment is when the LEO gives someone the idea to commit the crime.
Really? Only giving them the idea to commit is entrapment? I thought it involved a little more influence.

For example, you can be drunk and an undercover cop hands you a brick and suggests what to do with it isn't entrapment, but if they tell you or order you to, that is entrapment.

Theseus
02-15-2010, 5:15 PM
Regular vehicle maintenence and inspecting under the hood can eliminate most vehicle failures. Belt(s), hoses, running out of petro, over heating are the most common causes of breakdown.

Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com (http://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com)

+ 1 on this. I am not the best mechanic, but ever since I have properly inspected and maintained my cars I have never broken down except for the one time my engine died (loss of compression).

For the most part, anything that can break on your car to the point of leaving you stranded can be detected early and fixed.

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 5:23 PM
Really? Only giving them the idea to commit is entrapment? I thought it involved a little more influence.

For example, you can be drunk and an undercover cop hands you a brick and suggests what to do with it isn't entrapment, but if they tell you or order you to, that is entrapment.
Putting the idea in the mind of the "target" meets the basic definition.

How MUCH influence impacts how easily defensible the actions are.

Handing the drunk a brick? No entrapment.
Handing the drunk a brick and saying "Hey, why don't we toss our bricks at a passing bus?" Legally entrapment... perhaps defensible, perhaps not.
Ordering the action, either under color of authority, or implied physical threat (if undercover), absolutely defensible.

walter
02-15-2010, 5:23 PM
if i got robbed for 1500 i would not want to have a gun on me. it makes things extra complicated.. 1500 isn't that much money really. this state isn't friendly to people who use force to defend themselves..

mej16489
02-15-2010, 5:27 PM
Grasshopper, one size does not fit all. If you feel it is too dangerous to stay in your vehicle, then by all means stand outside. Darwin's theory must be reinforced from time to time. Do not trust humble Brave, call you local CHP office and then share what you are told. inquiring minds want to know and learn from new information, part of the growth process.

By the way, exactly how many vehicles have you seen 'creamed' on the side of the freeway? Would that be with or without sugar? Brave just curious.

Billy Jack




Billy, your 3rd person anecdotes make me laugh :)

I don't bother asking CHP's opinion on anything. Heck, I'm pretty sure if I asked them if its legal to put an unloaded gun on my dashboard they'd tell me no.

Anyhow...I'd estimate about a 8ish in the last 40 years. Most of that in my prior career as LEO ;)

That's a whole lot more then I've been shot at, yet I'm prepared to defend myself. More times then anything in my home has ever caught fire, but I have several fire extinguishers.

Cheers :cool2:

Trendkill
02-15-2010, 5:28 PM
if i got robbed for 1500 i would not want to have a gun on me. it makes things extra complicated.. 1500 isn't that much money really. this state isn't friendly to people who use force to defend themselves..

So.....if someone aims their glock at your head and you gun him down...you think you would be behind bars..???

JaMail
02-15-2010, 5:33 PM
its all a lie, i held the glock the RIGHT way....


in all seriousness, i cant wait until CCW is a incorporated here in cali, read suzanns hupps book if you really want to have your eyes opened.

Swatguy10_15
02-15-2010, 5:43 PM
I heard a similar story from a friend that I believe might have read on Calguns several months back. Something about LA county denying a CCW to a man who had a history of being robbed due to location of his home and lack of transportation. I think it went that about 2 weeks after being denied a CCW, he was killed in another robbery.

What I find to be worse, I have read in cali civil code that "issuing authorities" retain no liability as a result of decisions to issue or not issue a CCW. Not sure how well that law sticks, or if the code I read was accurate cause I found it online, and there is a lot of stuff online, some true, some not.... but if that is indeed true, then it would lead me to believe your buddy has a poor chance at getting a CCW if he lives in LA County, and worse yet... has little if any recourse if this happens again after they possibly deny him.

It's a disgusting thing, I pray that this horrific injustice to Californians will end soon!


Ya know...Im sure Im way behind the ball here but thats GOT to be some kind of legal attack "point"..Well youre not allowed to defend yourself, but if you get killed ..Well...Oh well.. But if you try to defend yourself youre going to get in trouble..Hmm...If the "masses" were presented with this information in this manner..That could help the calguns cause..

jarhead995
02-15-2010, 5:54 PM
HDI for living in a crappy area, leaving with a dead battery, not having his car maintenanced, and walking around at night with 1.5k.

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 5:54 PM
If the "masses" were presented with this information in this manner..That could help the calguns cause..
Nahh....

The "masses" are sitting smug in Starbucks sipping their lattes and on their sofa watching American Idol.
They can't be bothered to even send an email to Sacramento, much less actually lick an envelope and get off their *** long enough to put it in the mailbox.

Cokebottle
02-15-2010, 5:55 PM
walking around at night with 1.5k.
This.



Will never happen to me, because as soon as I have $1499, I buy a new gun or piece of chrome for the bike :D

Billy Jack
02-15-2010, 6:57 PM
Billy, your 3rd person anecdotes make me laugh :)

I don't bother asking CHP's opinion on anything. Heck, I'm pretty sure if I asked them if its legal to put an unloaded gun on my dashboard they'd tell me no.

Anyhow...I'd estimate about a 8ish in the last 40 years. Most of that in my prior career as LEO ;)

That's a whole lot more then I've been shot at, yet I'm prepared to defend myself. More times then anything in my home has ever caught fire, but I have several fire extinguishers.

Cheers :cool2:

A hardy '2150 to HQ' to you my friend. Billy Jack goes in full costume to inspect CCW files during PRAS. Command Staff seem to find it amusing to see mature, Billy Jack at almost 7 feet tall with hat come in to peruse their files.

It is good to be Billy Jack. If I may paraphrase Mel Brooks.

Billy Jack



www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

Meplat
02-15-2010, 6:59 PM
Very strange viewpoint to come from a CG member. You need to focus on the principle that it is not about the money. It's about your safety. What if these tards didn't want to leave a witness?

"If there is one to be buried and one to be tried, I'll see you in court." (Doc Holiday)



if i got robbed for 1500 i would not want to have a gun on me. it makes things extra complicated.. 1500 isn't that much money really. this state isn't friendly to people who use force to defend themselves..

Theseus
02-15-2010, 7:03 PM
if i got robbed for 1500 i would not want to have a gun on me. it makes things extra complicated.. 1500 isn't that much money really. this state isn't friendly to people who use force to defend themselves..

That reminds me a website I read telling women how to prevent rape with things like "vomit on yourself", "urinate and defecate on yourself" to make yourself less attractive, but not once do they mention the use of self-defense.

Mud
02-15-2010, 10:24 PM
$1500 learning experience:
- Charger in Car,
- Routine Car Maintainance,
- Stow the $1500 in your sock or underwear if you have to seek help:D
- One day having a CCW = Priceless

I am glad he was alright, will pray that this doesn't happen to anyone else. See too many shooting victims at work, glad this was only the cash being lost.

tonelar
02-16-2010, 11:16 AM
I used to drive a two truck in the CHP zone 2 here on the peninsula. I only did it for 4.5 years, however; I've seen only one vehicle "creamed" while sitting by the side of the road. A few were hit before leaving the roadway, so a passerby might assume they were struck while pulled over. However, I also towed many dozens that were untouched. So odds are you'll be safer in the car (especially if you are able to move it well off the shoulder).

Glock22Fan
02-16-2010, 11:42 AM
OP.

Your friend is highly unlikely to get a CCW in LALA land.

First, the robberies in his restaurant do not count. He is already entitled to carry concealed there if he owns the business.

Second, that leaves one incident, where he was effectively targetted at random. There is no evidence that he is at any more risk in the future that anyone else.

That just leaves the carrying of $1500. This is probably not enough to cause him to be a specific target.

Maybe that last item would be enough in some counties, but forget it in LALA land unless he is also very rich and connected and can invite the sheriff to parties full of Hollywood celebrities.

Roll on successful conclusion of some of the current law suits.

Untamed1972
02-16-2010, 11:59 AM
if these guys are working the same area sounds like CHP needs to set-up some sting operations and bust these douche bags before they end up killing someone.

swhatb
02-16-2010, 9:44 PM
When do you offer Urban Survival & Personal Safety classes?

Pity your friend not post here for information. When Billy Jack not investigating government corruption he teach classes in Urban Survival & Personal Safety. Friend made a number of mistakes we teach about that you should not do.

This not just Brave speaking, you may consult the PIO at any CHP office and he will tell you much the same as I am posting.

Go to any store that sells phones and buy a car charger. Mine never leaves the glove box except when in use.

When vehicle disabled, park on shoulder or beyond where appropriate, and turn on hazard lights.

Stay in vehicle with seat belt on and head rest properly adjusted.

In populated area you described, CHP drives a circuit for entire shift and will be by within 10-20 minutes. Quicker than Auto Club.

Criminals are predators and hunt for prey. They seek weak and vulnerable.
The message your friend telegraphed was:

No cell phone.
Walked off to seek assistance.
Not street smart.

At the very least they would have taken his vehicle. At the very worse, his life.

When Billy Jack was young LEO we had criminals that regularly trolled the freeways looking for distressed motorists. They would rob their person and take whatever they could from the vehicle as well.

Most white eyes are not 'urbanized' and you send out virtual fermions to bad guys. Take a class and get some street smarts.

You send the wrong message to a predator and they are going to party with you and you will be the entertainment.


Hope you pass this along to your friend.


Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

KylaGWolf
02-16-2010, 11:35 PM
^are stings legal? don't they need a warrant or something? (all i know about stings are what paul newman and robert redford taught me :o)

Nope no warrant needed.



i'm telling you, his stars lined up that night, and not in a good way. dead battery, no charger, the call box... just one of those days.

and true about the tow truck taking a while to show up. they even tell you it might take upwards of an hour or two, so i figure these guys are cruising the freeways looking for people in distress/cars broken down, then either take the car or valuables/cash. win/win.

These guys probably wouldn't have cared had your friend been there or not when they rolled up. They would have more than likely pulled the glock regardless.



car was up, and i couldn't tell you exactly if they were waiting for him to show up, but he must have gotten there right before they would have bounced, had they only wanted the car. i guess you can add that to the stars lining up thing, but i'm not sure.



i believe right before Washington, near the commerce casino. like i said, he told me the CHP told him it's not the first time. tell your friends and family.



that would have been the best thing, because it really isn't that nice a car (older honda accord), though i hear it's a highly sought after one by car thieves/chop shops. but alas, a gun was pulled, and no material object is worth it at that point. i'm sure he would have been okay with having his car taken rather than being on the other end of a gun, but he did get kind of pushy since there was no gun in the first place.



tell me about it. he should have hit up the casino a couple blocks away and tried his luck after such a bad streak.[/QUOTE]

This is one reason before I go on any trip in the car I make sure my cell has a full charge.

stan
02-17-2010, 1:09 AM
In populated area you described, CHP drives a circuit for entire shift and will be by within 10-20 minutes. Quicker than Auto Club.




my personal experience in driving several less-reliable cars does not confirm that. i've sat on the side of the 5 fwy in densely populated areas for over an hour before. including more than one time where i saw, and attempted to flag down CHP and they blew past. last time, no less than 4 CHP drove past me over the course of almost 2 hours, with me trying to signal for help (arms waving, on side of road with damaged car).

Billy Jack
02-17-2010, 10:24 AM
my personal experience in driving several less-reliable cars does not confirm that. i've sat on the side of the 5 fwy in densely populated areas for over an hour before. including more than one time where i saw, and attempted to flag down CHP and they blew past. last time, no less than 4 CHP drove past me over the course of almost 2 hours, with me trying to signal for help (arms waving, on side of road with damaged car).

Maybe it was just you Stan. Seriously, in general they get to disabled vehicles as soon as workload allows. You are an adult male. Were you a woman, male with children, senior it might have reduced your wait time. Some civilians spend their waking hours trying to find negatives about law enforcement, either their own observations or those of friends.

You never know what else is occurring in the area where you are disabled. I can assure you they are scanning you and your vehicle everytime they drive by. The fact that you saw frequent patrols means their presence makes the freeway safer where you are.

You may not want to see it that way but it is a reality I have personally dealt with from both sides of the badge. Some see the glass have empty where others see it have full.


Billy Jack


www.californiaconcealedcarry.com